List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - 2017/2018

[OEP MKII]

Hey look Seedsfan managed to make another thread all about him

 

[Saintly Viewed]

As I said when I edited the last post. Talls provides a team with structure and we have no need for another mid at this time

And that is a very fair point.

Add to the mix: Quality talks are harder to get than quality mediums / on ballers.

So that's the dilemma clubs face, do they opt for the quality tall over the elite mid.

The one caveat is to get the pick right.
Franklin elite superstar.

Us, we took Josh Fraser. And at the time he was seen as by far the the very best and obvious number 1 pick.
If only..... we had taken Matthew Pavlich. But we didn't. Cost? Maybe a flag or two? Unknown. But he would have made us far better than Fraser who was a nice player.
Or if Nick Riewoldt's year was the Fraser year (I think nick was next year).....

But that's the luck of the year and who you actually pick.

Here's hoping we get a star maybe Balta becomes that? But that surely must be the aim.

 

[Brent24]

Or Carlton took Kane Lucas the best available or Talia. There are plenty of examples either way as drafting is not an exact science but we need the tall so we have to take it

Unless we really don't rate any of the talls around pick 6. You don't pick a KPP just for the sake of it.

 

[Thefly38]

Or Carlton took Kane Lucas the best available or Talia. There are plenty of examples either way as drafting is not an exact science but we need the tall so we have to take it[

And that is a very fair point.

Add to the mix: Quality talks are harder to get than quality mediums / on ballers.

So that's the dilemma clubs face, do they opt for the quality tall over the elite mid.

The one caveat is to get the pick right.
Franklin elite superstar.

Us, we took Josh Fraser. And at the time he was seen as by far the the very best and obvious number 1 pick.
If only..... we had taken Matthew Pavlich. But we didn't. Cost? Maybe a flag or two? Unknown. But he would have made us far better than Fraser who was a nice player.
Or if Nick Riewoldt's year was the Fraser year (I think nick was next year).....

But that's the luck of the year and who you actually pick.

Here's hoping we get a star maybe Balta becomes that? But that surely must be the aim.

Maybe they question it as. are then any ELITE players left at 6 in any position or size if yes you take one. Maybe they only rate 4 players in the elite category maybe theres 12 i don't know.

 

[soreplums]

Maybe they see him becoming a big bodied mid? I’m just going on rumours from Freo posters saying they’re in to him.

Interesting. I though that they were keen on Hayes at 5.
Delisting Zac clarke might even support this?

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Yeah alright let's trade out Moore we could get a mid that's all you need

Don't go all KB on me, Seeds.
The spine in terms of the CHB and CHF doesn't apply. It's more about the right mix of talls etc to suit a plan. If the dominant CHF makes a comeback, we can start talking spines again.
When watching the 76 GF the other night, the spine was definitely in play because kicks from HB were bombed to CHF a lot. Nowadays, with constant run and carry, zig zagging and lateral kicks, more overlap etc, the spine is obsolete.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Maybe they question it as. are then any ELITE players left at 6 in any position or size if yes you take one. Maybe they only rate 4 players in the elite category maybe theres 12 i don't know.

Correct.

All of this goes into the mix in the decision making.

Even if there is only 4 elite say, maybe the club feels two clubs will take a non elite for need etc.

All part of it.

But at the end of draft night 18 clubs will declare they are Happy with what they got
Some will even say, we can't believe we got that player at that pick.....

 

[sr36]

Or Carlton took Kane Lucas the best available or Talia. There are plenty of examples either way as drafting is not an exact science but we need the tall so we have to take it

The argument for best available is that if you nail your pick, you end up with a 15 year player who plays most of his career with a list that looks nothing like our current list - a list with totally different needs, thus you shouldn't draft for immediate needs.

 

[Roverjg]

Collingwood / Carlton

Reported this morning that Richmond is again nibbling around Scache. Been plsying possum in the hope of a low ball offer

 

[jonbe54]

Hey look Seedsfan managed to make another thread all about him

Nothing unusual there.

 

[loki04]

It's interesting I can't come up with a single player of ours they'd be interested in dealing on Atkins for. Therein lies the problem of our current position. The guys we can afford to lose have no value and the guys with value we can't afford to lose.

You never know how they rate our players, they took Seedsman for a pick many didn't think he was worth for example.

Your or my opinion for that matter of players doesn't always marry up with clubs ratings. If it did we wouldn't have the likes of Blair, Mayne and Oxley masquerading in black and white.

 

[Mongo Ming]

IF the Rumours are True and we are into Atkins and we get Him.

I doubt we Draft Copperfield as we got 2 similar types in Atkins and Murray

We’re drafting this guy? I do hear he’s magic around goals.

 

[TradeDraft]

Who did ~TheScout~ used to post here as?

Same as ~TheScout~

 

[cleomenes]

Rory Atkins?
I've got Clinton Young nightmares all over again.

Please no.

Hoskin-Elliott is the player we hoped Young would be. We don't need another.

 

[sr36]

IF the Rumours are True and we are into Atkins and we get Him.

I doubt we Draft Copperfield as we got 2 similar types in Atkins and Murray

Atkins and Murray don't have the same magic as Copperfield. It'd be a left field choice, but I like it. We haven't had anyone truly magical since Peter Daicos.

 

[TradeDraft]

There you go! Infrequent poster last spotted on our forum in 2011. That's a real shame.

Sure is. His news where like Snoop Dog very accurate as he works as a Scout too.

He still on the Collingwood Voy Forum

 

[jmac70]

Atkins and Murray don't have the same magic as Copperfield. It'd be a left field choice, but I like it. We haven't had anyone truly magical since Peter Daicos.

Leon and Dids weren't bad.

 

[Thefly38]

Ill chip in for Tom Lynch when He's Our Rokki wins today in Sydney

 

[Apex36]

Reported this morning that Richmond is again nibbling around Scache. Been plsying possum in the hope of a low ball offer

If tbhe report in the Age yesterday is true I think that Richmond will find Brisbane incredibly difficult to deal with. A low ball offer might work with another team, but I reckon they’ll make Richmond pay full value.

 

[Apex36]

Isn’t he Keeffe and thomas’s Mate?

At least greenwood is a solid character

Is he? Pretty sure he went on holidays with the ‘Bali boys’ this offseason.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Brown? Dunn is better.

On what measure?

 

[sr36]

On what measure?

The eyes test has him a much better kick. As good in one on ones. More proactive and less reactive thus gets caught trailing less often.

 

[Duggy31]

On what measure?

Ability to grow a beard

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[Apex36]

On what measure?

Equivalent stopping power with better disposal.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

We’re drafting this guy? I do hear he’s magic around goals.

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Although he can walk through walls of players, there's always a risk that he will just disappear during games. For that reason, Do.Not.Want.