List Mgmt. Trade and F/A 2020 Cont’d

[ZEV]

Howe and Dunn were good players at the demons who fell out of favour.

Oscar McDonald

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Oscar Mcdonald

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28

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196cm

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100kg

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13.2

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7.9

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5.2

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4.2

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1.6

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191.4

3star

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11.3

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7.7

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3.7

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3.7

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1.7

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157.7

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14.8

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5.4

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9.4

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4.4

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0.4

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MG

138.4

3star

has always been rubbish ever since Trav did a number on him after Melbourne threw him to the wolves on Queens Birthday.

I don't think O mcDonald ever played against Cloke. That was Tom you are thinking about.

 

[LuckyLee]

I suspect we’ll fall quite a few rungs down the ladder next season as we concentrate on getting games into our youngsters.

If so, we’d be made to trade next year’s first rounder until next year. How about this for a strategy:

1. Trade picks 14 & 16 for Pick 8 (Bombers)
2. Trade 2021 first rounder in 2021 for a 2022 first rounder.

We end up with:
2020 pick 8 and Reef McInnes
2021 Nick Daicos
2022 two first rounders (possibly both in top 10)

So effectively five first rounders over three years.


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[Apex36]

For those opposed to aiming for pick 2 because of the chance McDonald is gone.
What if our list management teams draft board has McDonald, Thilthorpe, daylight?

 

[pie machine]

For those opposed to aiming for pick 2 because of the chance McDonald is gone.
What if our list management teams draft board has McDonald, Thilthorpe, daylight?

I'm only opposed to trading 3 first rounders for any one player, this would be a huge mistake

 

[sideswipe]

I suspect we’ll fall quite a few rungs down the ladder next season as we concentrate on getting games into our youngsters.

If so, we’d be made to trade next year’s first rounder until next year. How about this for a strategy:

1. Trade picks 14 & 16 for Pick 8 (Bombers)
2. Trade 2021 first rounder in 2021 for a 2022 first rounder.

We end up with:
2020 pick 8 and Reef McInnes
2021 Nick Daicos
2022 two first rounders (possibly both in top 10)

So effectively five first rounders over three years.


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Unless things have changed, clubs can only trade picks one year into the future?

I think the AFL should make a rule that Collingwood is barred from first round picks after what we have done with our last 5.

 

[magpies42]

I suspect we’ll fall quite a few rungs down the ladder next season as we concentrate on getting games into our youngsters.

If so, we’d be made to trade next year’s first rounder until next year. How about this for a strategy:

1. Trade picks 14 & 16 for Pick 8 (Bombers)
2. Trade 2021 first rounder in 2021 for a 2022 first rounder.

We end up with:
2020 pick 8 and Reef McInnes
2021 Nick Daicos
2022 two first rounders (possibly both in top 10)

So effectively five first rounders over three years.


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We’ve played finals the last 3 years I can’t see that changing.

We’ve had injuries over this period and still been competitive. Treloar has been missing, Stevo hiding in corners on the field and Phillips is as much a liability as he is a positive.

 

[Scodog10]

For those opposed to aiming for pick 2 because of the chance McDonald is gone.
What if our list management teams draft board has McDonald, Thilthorpe, daylight?

I bet our big board would read Hollands, Phillips, daylight... No knock on those two boys, but that’s how we roll.

On another note surely the rule change on draft picks puts an end to the speculation around not having enough points for Reef?

 

[Matt_352]

For those opposed to aiming for pick 2 because of the chance McDonald is gone.
What if our list management teams draft board has McDonald, Thilthorpe, daylight?

Just too many eggs in one basket for me :/

 

[Apex36]

I bet our big board would read Hollands, Phillips, daylight... No knock on those two boys, but that’s how we roll.

On another note surely the rule change on draft picks puts an end to the speculation around not having enough points for Reef?

What’s the rule change?

 

[Crazy Tails]

On another note surely the rule change on draft picks puts an end to the speculation around not having enough points for Reef?

Yep. If Reef gets past 14/16 I’d try and tee up a trade on the night of the Dogs future 2nd (we got for Treloar) to a club with multiple picks in the 40s/50s that hit the points required.


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[Apex36]

Just too many eggs in one basket for me :/

Normally I’d agree, but given we have two other guaranteed eggs I’d be willing to go all in just this once, especially if it potentially solves our key forward issues for the next decade.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Just too many eggs in one basket for me :/

And I am sure I have heard us comment on this being a strong draft. I would be surprised if that meant 2 players and daylight.

 

[Crazy Tails]

What’s the rule change?

Not being locked into only having as many draft picks as list spots available. The Callum Mills

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Callum Mills

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27

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188cm

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86kg

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Mid

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18.2

5star

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10.8

4star

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7.4

5star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

18.4

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

6.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.4

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

1.2

4star

principle.

Swans, Pies among clubs buoyed by late draft rule tweak

Clubs matching bids on Academy and father-son players will be able to use the points from picks they didn't plan to use

www.afl.com.au

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[Apex36]

And I am sure I have heard us comment on this being a strong draft. I would be surprised if that meant 2 players and daylight.

Ned Guy let slips that we rated the tall talent in this draft particularly highly. I’m assuming that means McDonald, Thilthorpe and DGB are all at the pointy end of the board.

 

[manicpie]

Ned Guy let slips that we rated the tall talent in this draft particularly highly. I’m assuming that means McDonald, Thilthorpe and DGB are all at the pointy end of the board.

Would we be able to package a deal that would get us one of those 3 talls? Forget Macca but how can we get one of the others, not sure if we lose too much to gain one of those picks or not, it's going to be interesting

 

[Matt_352]

Would we be able to package a deal that would get us one of those 3 talls? Forget Macca but how can we get one of the others, not sure if we lose too much to gain one of those picks or not, it's going to be interesting

Pick 2 would definitely get one of them, I'd want a 2nd or so coming back our way as well for 3 firsts.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

I'm only opposed to trading 3 first rounders for any one player, this would be a huge mistake

Same here. People think 3 first rounders for Cameron is a lot, but fair.

He’s a proven gun. We are relying on an 18 year old.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Swans, Pies among clubs buoyed by late draft rule tweak

Clubs matching bids on Academy and father-son players will be able to use the points from picks they didn't plan to use

www.afl.com.au

All those late picks may be useful. Stockpile heaps of late picks for Reef.

 

[Scribe26]

same. Would effectively mean we’ve traded treloar, Stevo, pick 16 and next years first for an 18 yr old kid...

This is where you back in your talent identification.

14, 16 and 11 would be a small price to pay, IMO, for a generational KPF talent.

What would you pay now for a 20 year old Max King

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Max King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

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100kg

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Fwd

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7.3

2star

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4.7

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2.6

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2.7

3star

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0.7

3star

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1.4

5star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

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2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

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0.7

1star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.8

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0.6

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1.4

5star

?

What would you have paid for an 18 year old Lance Franklin?

What would you have paid for a 19-year old Chris Judd?

The people crying about over-paying for an 'untried talent' would be the very same people losing their collective minds about us missing out on said young gun in 3-4 years time. If Hyne knocks on my door and says we desperately need to get into the top 5, we back him in - it's the reason you hire him.

AND, like has been pointed out already. Collingwood could conceivably use 14,16 and 11 in a trade for a top 5 pick and still end up with three players of first round quality anyway. Daicos in 2021, Reef (depending on where bid lands) and then the high pick this year.

My father has early on-set dementia and he picked up the concept the first time I explained it to him.

 

[Matt_352]

This is where you back in your talent identification.

14, 16 and 11 would be a small price to pay, IMO, for a generational KPF talent.

What would you pay now for a 20 year old Max King

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Max King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

1star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.4

5star

?

What would you have paid for an 18 year old Lance Franklin?

What would you have paid for a 19-year old Chris Judd?

The people crying about over-paying for an 'untried talent' would be the very same people losing their collective minds about us missing out on said young gun in 3-4 years time. If Hyne knocks on my door and says we desperately need to get into the top 5, we back him in - it's the reason you hire him.

AND, like has been pointed out already. Collingwood could conceivably use 14,16 and 11 in a trade for a top 5 pick and still end up with three players of first round quality anyway. Daicos in 2021, Reef (depending on where bid lands) and then the high pick this year.

My father has early on-set dementia and he picked up the concept the first time I explained it to him.

Don't really think there is a need for that last sentence

 

[Chrispiesssss]

This is where you back in your talent identification.

14, 16 and 11 would be a small price to pay, IMO, for a generational KPF talent.

What would you pay now for a 20 year old Max King

12

Max King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

1star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.4

5star

?

What would you have paid for an 18 year old Lance Franklin?

What would you have paid for a 19-year old Chris Judd?

The people crying about over-paying for an 'untried talent' would be the very same people losing their collective minds about us missing out on said young gun in 3-4 years time. If Hyne knocks on my door and says we desperately need to get into the top 5, we back him in - it's the reason you hire him.

AND, like has been pointed out already. Collingwood could conceivably use 14,16 and 11 in a trade for a top 5 pick and still end up with three players of first round quality anyway. Daicos in 2021, Reef (depending on where bid lands) and then the high pick this year.

My father has early on-set dementia and he picked up the concept the first time I explained it to him.

I understand everything you’re saying.

How many times have we seen this generational talent comment thrown around and they end up flopping?

I wouldn’t hate the club for backing in Logan. However, my preference is 3 players in the first round + Reef than 1 player in the top 3.

That’s my preference.

 

[partypie]

I don't think O mcDonald ever played against Cloke. That was Tom you are thinking about.

Yes you're correct. I still remember that slaughter even to this day and wondering why they didn't take the poor kid off him.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

I'll just repeat for those in the back row, wanting 'three first rounders', rather than one:

Okay, thanks for being rude again.

Your method gives us 3 first round players.

My method:

Pick 14
Pick 16
Reef
Pick 11 (2021 1st rounder) used this year
Daicos

So my method gives us 5 first round picks, yours gives us 3.

5 is better than 3.

 

[ZEV]

Yes you're correct. I still remember that slaughter even to this day and wondering why they didn't take the poor kid off him.

AKA the Adam Oxley game...

 

[Scribe26]

I understand everything you’re saying.

How many times have we seen this generational talent comment thrown around and they end up flopping?

I wouldn’t hate the club for backing in Logan. However, my preference is 3 players in the first round + Reef than 1 player in the top 3.

That’s my preference.

Further more, and I don't mean to be offensive, but the math of this is just incredibly off, just from a points perspective. It's not logical.

Don't forget, pick 11 is gone on Daicos. It's gone.

You're saying that you'd rather have:

Pick 14, 16 & Daicos, Reef

Rather than:

Pick (3-6), Daicos, Reef


I'm trading 14 & 16 for a top 5 every single day of the week and twice on a Sunday.