List Mgmt. Trade and F/A 2020 Cont’d

[Matt_352]

A lot of people would be very very happy if it happened though.
Finally you'd get that tall forward you've been wanting for years and years.

Not disputing that at all, I would be too, but the two are not connected in any way.

 

[Crazy Tails]

A lot of people would be very very happy if it happened though.
Finally you'd get that tall forward you've been wanting for years and years.

Firstly, pick 2 may still not be enough to get him if the Crows want him at 1.

Secondly why wouldn’t your club want this generational forward talent? Just keep pick 2 & partner him up with Larkey.

Thirdly why do care so much about making Collingwood people happy?


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[Chrispiesssss]

Is it though? Let’s say you have 5 lottery tickets. One of them is a better than 1 in 2 chance of winning (Daicos), one is 1 in 10 (Reef). 2 more are 1 in 10, and one is 1 in 5 (assuming that our 2021 nets a top 10).
Would you trade two 10% chance tickets and the one 20% chance ticket for another ticket with a better than 50% chance of winning big?

That’s what this draft is about. Listening to recruiters talk at the moment it seems like the top 5 are all really top tier, but you could almost put a blanket over 6-25 because of the lack of exposure this year. Any Vic kid taken outside that top tier seems to be a real lottery chance. Your method of getting more tickets for more chances is valid, but so is the method of reducing your tickets for a higher chance of winning with an early ticket.

At the end of the day, if we were in North’s position in a total rebuild and needed as much talent in the door as possible I’d probably take the 5 kids. In our current position, I’m more inclined to take the 3 with the higher chance of winning the jackpot.

Yup, you make great points.

See, I don’t hate the all-in approach. Just high risk for us pies atm.

We have been burnt so much in relation to the draft recently. I rather play safe than risky for the moment. Load up for 2023 onwards.

That’s just me though.

 

[Hotpiescoldbeers]

Do delisted free agents come with inflated salaries or would they be on minimum chips? If they’re on minimum I’d be happy to give omac or matt Parker a go and delist Appelby

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Do delisted free agents come with inflated salaries or would they be on minimum chips? If they’re on minimum I’d be happy to give omac or matt Parker a go and delist Appelby

They put whatever price on their head. Similar to the pre season draft.

Only difference one has been delisted, the other is uncontracted.

 

[Axl the great]

Taking 3 players plus Reef isn’t a bad idea. Even taking 3, Reef plus a late pick Hine special works for me.

Even with smaller list sizes we have lost 9 players... and there’s room to still delist obvious candidates in Wills and Lynch.

So taking 4-5 in the draft and a DFA to fill a need like KPD depth is feasible and could really freshen up the list

Agree, all the successful teams have 3 or so really good players they managed to find in one particular draft.

 

[Shinboner1]

They put whatever price on their head. Similar to the pre season draft.

Only difference one has been delisted, the other is uncontracted.

Delisted players also count as free agents when their contract expires so clubs can just offer them cash to leave without consulting their current club.

 

[Apex36]

Do delisted free agents come with inflated salaries or would they be on minimum chips? If they’re on minimum I’d be happy to give omac or matt Parker a go and delist Appelby

They take whatever theyre offered considering their alternative is job seeker

 

[GoldenMagpie16]

I would be very aggressive by trading our future first-rounder to Adelaide for 22, 23 and 40

 

[HFF]

I would be very aggressive by trading our future first-rounder to Adelaide for 22, 23 and 40

How does this help us?
Those picks would get eaten up for Reef wouldn't they?
So we'd be burning a first rounder for nothing.

 

[cakewalk06]

I wouldn’t even trade 3 first rounders for Cameron like geel did and they got picks back.

given our recent history of just throwing away multiple picks on players, and list needs I’d much prefer we have 14, 16 and get another with next years first if possible. IF there was a player we belived a steal in top 10 and we could trade up with two picks then maybe, but not 3. No way.

I still see value in this draft at those picks and believe we can grab atleast 3 list needs. Even if we got to pick 2 somehow there’s no guarantee McDonald is there. To many eggs in one basket for me. But that’s just my opinion and you and others differ .

3 first rounders was a record for Cameron who’s a proven star, to me it’s just insane to do it for an unproven kid.

i don't think Geelong overpaid at all.. they were all pretty low first-roud picks.. i would not have paid, for example, 5,8 and 14.. but all the picks are outside the top 15 once they are pushed back

 

[Scribe26]

i don't think Geelong overpaid at all.. they were all pretty low first-roud picks.. i would not have paid, for example, 5,8 and 14.. but all there picks are outside the top 15 once they are pushed back

Gracias.

Fair to say people are conflating pick 14 and 16 with picks 1-5 because they're all 'first rounders'.

 

[Apex36]

I would be very aggressive by trading our future first-rounder to Adelaide for 22, 23 and 40

That wouldn’t be aggressive, it would be silly.

 

[stormskye]

Gracias.

Fair to say people are conflating pick 14 and 16 with picks 1-5 because they're all 'first rounders'.

Not conflating at all. Can still grab plenty of great players in the entire first round. Geel could have potentially grabbed 3, and helped prepare for the cliff they are approaching. Instead they grab Cameron. Port have rejuvenated their list with picks from the mid-late teens.

each to their own, they overpaid for mine

 

[gopies123]

So the running mock draft over on the other board had the pies BF member pass on the bud for Reef at pick 11. We then picked up Archie Perkins at 17 and Reid at 19. Thoughts? If this were to happen on the night would the pies be better off passing and getting 2 kids we rate higher than Reef?


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[cakewalk06]

Gracias.

Fair to say people are conflating pick 14 and 16 with picks 1-5 because they're all 'first rounders'.

no problem.. i wasn't necessarily trying to support any argument etc.. just also like to point out that i think we paid a lot more for Treloar (2 x pick 7s with No.28 pick coming back?) than Geelong did for Cameron (13, 15 and 20, with 2 x GWS future second round selections coming back).

 

[Scribe26]

no problem.. i wasn't necessarily trying to support any argument etc.. just also like to point out that i think we paid a lot more for Treloar (2 x pick 7s with No.28 pick coming back?) than Geelong did for Cameron (13, 15 and 20, with 2 x GWS future second round selections coming back).

Agreed.

 

[sr36]

The odds I posted are largely irrelevant and not accurate. They were just to make a point.

Ultimately, if the kid becomes the next Buddy, Riewoldt or Kennedy, the trade would be worth it. But since no KPF who has been drafted for 15 years has risen to that level yet, I wouldn't do it. To me, it seems like we'd be investing a lot on a very long shot.

 

[DaVe86]

What do you think of Oscar McDonald

21

Oscar Mcdonald

Age

28

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

191.4

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

3star

MG

157.7

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

5.4

2star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.4

3star

MG

138.4

3star

as a player? I've made my thoughts known about it but reckon I over analyse players sometimes. Keen to get a different perspective on his playing qualities.

I dont think he is much... but i also don't think he is as bad as some have said.

Just haven't seen much of him given how far down the pecking order he dropped.

The point for me is that I wouldn't expect him to be a world beater...just an emergency if we lose roughead.

If you can find me someone better that is available, then we'll and good

 

[sr36]

I dont think he is much... but i also don't think he is as bad as some have said.

Just haven't seen much of him given how far down the pecking order he dropped.

The point for me is that I wouldn't expect him to be a world beater...just an emergency if we lose roughead.

If you can find me someone better that is available, then we'll and good

One of my close mates is a Dees supporter, so I watched a fair bit of them when they were trying to juggle a fair few KPDs. I never understood how O Macdonald got a look in. I rate T Macdonald as a defender though.

 

[sr36]

How does this help us?
Those picks would get eaten up for Reef wouldn't they?
So we'd be burning a first rounder for nothing.

Only one of them would (or perhaps one of our teen picks). Whether it would be a good trade depends on how you rate the depth of the draft and how many players we want to take.

 

[sr36]

So the running mock draft over on the other board had the pies BF member pass on the bud for Reef at pick 11. We then picked up Archie Perkins at 17 and Reid at 19. Thoughts? If this were to happen on the night would the pies be better off passing and getting 2 kids we rate higher than Reef?


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If we stick with our current draft hand and think two kids we rate higher than Reef will still be there at our picks, we'd pass on Reef.

 

[swoop42]

What you're saying is valid, but the idea that the early picks are 5 times more likely to make it than the teens picks doesn't, but then again this draft may be different as some of the top picks have exposed 2020 senior form, whilst most in teens don't, so the teens picks are riskier than normal.

Given the lack of 2020 exposure for the Victorian boys in particular (who as we know make up the largest % of players drafted) I could make the exact opposite argument that this unique season will separate the very best talent spotters from the rest and greater opportunities than normal will present with the later 1st round picks we already have (and could add to by draft night) for those recruiters with the best ability to project what a player might become rather than how they're currently perceived based primarily on old 2019 form.

 

[sr36]

Given the lack of 2020 exposure for the Victorian boys in particular (who as we know make up the largest % of players drafted) I could make the exact opposite argument that this unique season will separate the very best talent spotters from the rest and greater opportunities than normal will present with the later 1st round picks we already have (and could add to by draft night) for those recruiters with the best ability to project what a player might become rather than how they're currently perceived based primarily on old 2019 form.

I agree with that. I expect some absolute bargains being jagged this year, but still think less exposure and no recent progression trend makes the picks inherently riskier, thus they should be less valuable. I'd also suggest that draft boards are likely to vary even more than normal, which I think also decreases the value of these teen picks, because it's more likely that a kid a club would take at 16 would still be there at a significantly later pick.

 

[partypie]

Firstly, pick 2 may still not be enough to get him if the Crows want him at 1.

Secondly why wouldn’t your club want this generational forward talent? Just keep pick 2 & partner him up with Larkey.

Thirdly why do care so much about making Collingwood people happy?


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Not sure why posters from this board are engaging with nitwits from the Norf board who are posting here with suggestions of a 3-for-1 deal to get us a pick which likely won't even get us the one player who might be worth throwing the kitchen sink at maybe.

They've already fleeced us on Stevo and and we've taken the spotlight that was entirely on their rabble of a club for the next few weeks so let them be happy with that and not entertain any further flights of fancy coming from them.

Just in case anyone is confused, what they're looking for is us to turn Treloar, Stevo, 2020 pick 16, and our 2021 1st into 2020 pick 2 and a more heavily compromised ability to match bids on Reef and Daicos.