Strategy Trade and List Management thread 3 (...The pining for the departed. Edition)

[fronkalicious]

I really enjoyed the trade whisperer on Twitter. Was good fun.

I'll reveal who it was at 10am tomorrow

 

[timtamWB]

I really enjoyed the trade whisperer on Twitter. Was good fun.

I'll reveal who it was at 10am tomorrow

We all know who it was.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Only old enough to have been following the dogs for 19 years...but Mary, mother of **** the 2017 squad is the best dogs squad i've ever seen...

Fair chance we will have 4 or 5 premiership players as depth waiting for a game...

It's making me tingle all over.

Who gives a f*** about the Giants?

 

[Dav1d]

I really enjoyed the trade whisperer on Twitter. Was good fun.

I'll reveal who it was at 10am tomorrow

What I'm expecting you to say now.

 

[JTCWBFC]

I can recall Bev speaking highly of this kid in his early days at the Dogs.

Angus Litherland
The 192cm defender fell out of favour this year after playing 2016's opening four rounds but, at 24, could be retained by the Hawks with Josh Gibson nearing the end of his career. Likely to get an opportunity at a rival club if the Hawks opt not to re-sign him.

 

[bobby2]

Ok Davis and Cameron are quality and Patton is good. The others are all untried or crap.

Do you really think the defenders are as good as Moz, Adams and Sid or the forwards as good as Boyd, Red, Cloke,mStringer and Crameri? If I were them aid be drafting some good young KPPs.

Haynes is a gun. In fact, he's so highly rated that Pann says we send scouts to GWS games just to watch him, even though he's contracted for a couple more years.

Lobb is a bloody monster. Did you not see him marking everything in the prelim?

Tomlinson had a good last month or so of the season in defence.

It seems odd to say that they have a lot of "untried" KPPs, and then suggest they need to draft KPPs- the ones they draft would also be untried.

 

[Royale]

I mean we lost to Fremantle at Domain and struggled against Richmond.

Every team has a few bad performances every year, even the best ones. I know we all hate GWS, but don't let that hate cloud your view. GWS have a very scary team and were within a goal of getting to the Grand Final where they would have played a team they destroyed three weeks prior.

It's too bad they were up against a better team in that prelim

I dont hate GWS. But they are no scarier than any other team. Aside from their deep midfield they also have a lethal mix of smalls and talls as well as being efficient up front. I will say though that their backline is vulnerable. They are going to have massive problems if Cloke finds form and with the return of Crameri.

Dickson played a close checking role on Shaw (and kicked a couple to boot) while they panicked when trying to rebound from their defensive 50. We beat GWS in every single stat bar tackles since they were chasing us.

Their strengths lie in outside run and disposal by foot to their lethal forward line. But we have a team that can shut down GWS. And for all Mummys plaudits, he still couldnt take advantage against Toyd rucking one out.

Ill take a pepsi max challenge, our mids vs theirs anyday of the week. The only midfields, well players we should pay special attention too are Dangerfield and Josh P Kennedy.

Cloke is the interesting one. He kicked 4 on GWS this year. And its no surprise that for all their high draft picks they are still yet to identify a key position back to partner Davis.

Scared? Nope. Dogs have shown time and tjme again that we are harder at the coal face. And thats where we beat them. Add back in Murphy, Crameri and Wallis too.

The Giants should be scared of us. Mummy, Lids, Griff, Davis all have histories of injuries. And their talent is shallower and shallower every year. We will crush them next year.

Mark these words.

 

[fronkalicious]

2 quick takeouts from the trade period for me:

1. We didn't even want to re-contract Stevens and hrovat. Amazing.

2. Salary is now more important than trade assets. Seeing guys like Cloke, Mitchell and Lewis (I actually think ahern is another great example) traded for nothing and guys like motlop and rockliff unable to attract decent offers due to salary is a big swing in the market place. The next step is for teams to attach assets to move players with salaries they want to dump.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

I dont hate GWS. But they are no scarier than any other team. Aside from their deep midfield they also have a lethal mix of smalls and talls as well as being efficient up front. I will say though that their backline is vulnerable. They are going to have massive problems if Cloke finds form and with the return of Crameri.

Dickson played a close checking role on Shaw (and kicked a couple to boot) while they panicked when trying to rebound from their defensive 50. We beat GWS in every single stat bar tackles since they were chasing us.

Their strengths lie in outside run and disposal by foot to their lethal forward line. But we have a team that can shut down GWS. And for all Mummys plaudits, he still couldnt take advantage against Roughy

Ill take a pepsi max challenge, our mids vs theirs anydsy of the week. The only midfields, well players we should pay special attention too are Dangerfield and Josh P Kennedy.

Ckoke is the interesting one. He kicked 4 on GWS this year. And its no surprise that for all their high picks they are still yet to identify s key position back to psrtner Davis.

Scared? Nope. Dogs have shown time and tjme again thst we are harder at the coal face. And thats where we beat them. Add back in Murphy, Crameri and Wallis too.

The Giants should be scared of us. Mummy, Lids, Griff, Davis all have histories of injuries. And their talent is shallower and shallower every year. We will crush them next year.

Mark these words.

Not sure if they are scared of us but by god they would be jealous of our players. But for a goal they should have 22 premiership players on their list.

But they don't and we do

Hope we do it to them again next year!

 

[JTCWBFC]

Not sure if they are scared of us but by god they would be jealous of our players. But for a goal they should have 22 premiership players on their list.

But they don't and we do

Hope we do it to them again next year!

If one of Lids or Stevie J break down they're playing Sam Reid in the forward line. Their depth is so overrated.

 

[bobby2]

The next step is for teams to attach assets to move players with salaries they want to dump.

Haven't GWS been doing this with Carlton for a few years? "We'll give you Plowman and Phillips cheaply if you take Sumner and Lamb". Whiley, Pickett and Palmer seem pretty similar. I reckon you could just about throw Smedts into this category too.

 

[timtamWB]

I dont hate GWS. But they are no scarier than any other team. Aside from their deep midfield they also have a lethal mix of smalls and talls as well as being efficient up front. I will say though that their backline is vulnerable. They are going to have massive problems if Cloke finds form and with the return of Crameri.

Dickson played a close checking role on Shaw (and kicked a couple to boot) while they panicked when trying to rebound from their defensive 50. We beat GWS in every single stat bar tackles since they were chasing us.

Their strengths lie in outside run and disposal by foot to their lethal forward line. But we have a team that can shut down GWS. And for all Mummys plaudits, he still couldnt take advantage against Roughy

Ill take a pepsi max challenge, our mids vs theirs anydsy of the week. The only midfields, well players we should pay special attention too are Dangerfield and Josh P Kennedy.

Ckoke is the interesting one. He kicked 4 on GWS this year. And its no surprise that for all their high picks they are still yet to identify s key position back to psrtner Davis.

Scared? Nope. Dogs have shown time and tjme again thst we are harder at the coal face. And thats where we beat them. Add back in Murphy, Crameri and Wallis too.

The Giants should be scared of us. Mummy, Lids, Griff, Davis all have histories of injuries. And their talent is shallower and shallower every year. We will crush them next year.

Mark these words.

I think you might have misunderstood me. I completely agree with you, and think we are a better team than GWS.

What is annoying me is a lot of posters going around saying that GWS aren't really that good and are never going to be that good, which I think is untrue. That's all. Nothing to do with us vs them, purely some peoples' perception of them. See the post I quoted, saying that their natural development isn't any good because they lost to Melbourne and Essendon got close to them. That's a fool's point of view. That doesn't mean anything.

GWS will be good, very good. We'll be better. And we will beat them every time we go up against them (provided we don't have half a team out!).

 

[Boristown]

Haven't GWS been doing this with Carlton for a few years? "We'll give you Plowman and Phillips cheaply if you take Sumner and Lamb". Whiley, Pickett and Palmer seem pretty similar. I reckon you could just about throw Smedts into this category too.

Carlton: where salary cap goes to die.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Given the development of our players I think it's a successful policy. Of the 18-20 year olds who develop faster than players of the same age, who better to suggest who can do that than the players who developed as 17 year olds against the players of the same age?

In other words, say Macradie developed 20% slower this year than the average of the top 50 picks. Therefore everybody else improved a lot, and he only improved a little, hence him sliding from pmick 5 to 20 or whatever. What's not to say that he will continue developing 20% slower than the draft cohort average next year, and the year after etc?

Look, I agree, I'm not really advocating us getting him strongly. If he's development continues as it has he's a bust. Picking the late risers has been good for us so far. Having said that though, Dunkley was a top ten pick early in his draft year, and then dropped. Could have dropped even further passed us if Dal didn't pick how good we was. So you never know.

 

[bobby2]

Carlton: where salary cap goes to die.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-20/Simpson-delisted/
Breaking news: Carlton axes Simpson

Carlton has sensationally dumped veteran Kade Simpson following the trade period, despite an excellent season. It is understood that the Simpson camp has been completely blindsided by the decision.

The club released the following statement on their website:

It has come to the club's attention that Kade Simpson has been fraudulently claiming to be a former first-round pick around the club. We have recently been informed that Kade was actually selected in the fourth round of the draft. We are deeply troubled that a mole has infiltrated our organisation. The club has decided that Simpson shall be made redundant, as he doesn't fulfil the most fundamental requirement of being a Carlton player. While we are an accepting club that is open to people from all kinds of backgrounds, there are some non-negotiables to which all players must adhere. We would like to follow the lead of Hawthorn, who have moved on a former second-round draft pick named Sam Mitchell in order to bring in two former first-round draft picks. While this news has rocked the club, supporters can be assured that we will not accept any behaviour that does not align with our club ethos, and we will not yield in our quest to provide you with a list of 44 former first round picks.

 

[Spectre]

2 quick takeouts from the trade period for me:

1. We didn't even want to re-contract Stevens and hrovat. Amazing.

2. Salary is now more important than trade assets. Seeing guys like Cloke, Mitchell and Lewis (I actually think ahern is another great example) traded for nothing and guys like motlop and rockliff unable to attract decent offers due to salary is a big swing in the market place. The next step is for teams to attach assets to move players with salaries they want to dump.

Really good points. Think we're almost seeing point two happen, reckon next trade period will start bringing deals like that about. The first point is truly mind blowing, and highlights how much of a premium list spots and constant player churn has become. We almost payed Norf to take Hrovat in the end, and while I personally have strong reservations about a late, late pick producing as much benefit (and would have certainly re-signed the Rat instead of trading him for a chewed bit pf gum), our management crew really seem to be unfazed, they've got their plan and are sticking with it. Let's hope they make us doubters look foolish yet again!

 

[Dav1d]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-20/Simpson-delisted/
Breaking news: Carlton axes Simpson

Carlton has sensationally dumped veteran Kade Simpson following the trade period, despite an excellent season. It is understood that the Simpson camp has been completely blindsided by the decision.

The club released the following statement on their website:

It has come to the club's attention that Kade Simpson has been fraudulently claiming to be a former first-round pick around the club. We have recently been informed that Kade was actually selected in the fourth round of the draft. We are deeply troubled that a mole has infiltrated our organisation. The club has decided that Simpson shall be made redundant, as he doesn't fulfil the most fundamental requirement of being a Carlton player. While we are an accepting club that is open to people from all kinds of backgrounds, there are some non-negotiables to which all players must adhere. We would like to follow the lead of Hawthorn, who have moved on a former second-round draft pick named Sam Mitchell in order to bring in two former first-round draft picks. While this news has rocked the club, supporters can be assured that we will not accept any behaviour that does not align with our club ethos, and we will not yield in our quest to provide you with a list of 44 former first round picks.

heh looks like someone hacked the site

 

[immortalmike]

We all know who it was.

Aww. Son of a bitch!

 

[compact72]

I really enjoyed the trade whisperer on Twitter. Was good fun.

I'll reveal who it was at 10am tomorrow

Tony Sheahan

 

[Mr. Walker]

A few posters have mentioned about our superior player development. I am never sure how much is due to the club and how much is natural and within the player anyway. Certainly a number (22) of players developed sufficently to win a flag but was that due to the club? Players like Dale, Honeychurch, Hrovat, Prudden (those 2 had injuries i know), Stevens seem to be at the same level they have always been under the same system. Recruiting and head coach seem to be our points of difference.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I mean we lost to Fremantle at Domain and struggled against Richmond.

Every team has a few bad performances every year, even the best ones. I know we all hate GWS, but don't let that hate cloud your view. GWS have a very scary team and were within a goal of getting to the Grand Final where they would have played a team they destroyed three weeks prior.

It's too bad they were up against a better team in that prelim

We need to make sure we play a home final against them this year. It was a stroke of luck that cement head got knocked out, and SJ didn't play, and that was the difference in the end.

However we were so determined to win that final we would have found a way I think. Also that game showed a crack in GWS, they can't clinch the close ones, whereas with the exception of Hawthorn, we have every time.

 

[Fossie 32]

A few posters have mentioned about our superior player development. I am never sure how much is due to the club and how much is natural and within the player anyway. Certainly a number (22) of players developed sufficently to win a flag but was that due to the club? Players like Dale, Honeychurch, Hrovat, Prudden (those 2 had injuries i know), Stevens seem to be at the same level they have always been under the same system. Recruiting and head coach seem to be our points of difference.

Take away the injuries and that leaves two examples and Stevens also had injury problems then went off the boil maybe because he wasn't getting a game. Honey was probably unlucky not to get more games but maybe has reached his ceiling. Webb regularly did well in the VFL, didn't do so well when played in the AFL but may have done with a longer spell? Williams, Smith and Lynch seem to be coming along well.
Guess the main thing is the 22 that won the flag though!

 

[Fossie 32]

We need to make sure we play a home final against them this year. It was a stroke of luck that cement head got knocked out, and SJ didn't play, and that was the difference in the end.

However we were so determined to win that final we would have found a way I think. Also that game showed a crack in GWS, they can't clinch the close ones, whereas with the exception of Hawthorn, we have every time.

True, though we were unlucky to lose Roughy and the other injured guys who didn't play....

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Anyone who is upset with our results from the trade period should watch the interview with Jason McCartney on the club website.

Some of the stuff that I wasn't feeling happy with, I certainly felt a bit better about after listening to this:

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2016-10-20/sliding-up-draft-a-trade-priority-for-dogs-

The impression I got from this interview, is that the club was looking after two good players that we could not find a spot for, no point in being ruthless, in a sad situation. I hope both Kobe and Nathan kick on and have good careers.

Anyone know how many ex Bulldogs are still playing?

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Anyone know how many ex Bulldogs are still playing?

Still on an AFL list for 2017:

Ward
Griffen
Harbrow
Hill
Higgins
Grant
Jones
Tutt
Talia
Reid
Stevens
Hrovat
Hamling

Not yet offered a contract for 2017:
Everitt