Strategy Trade and List Management thread 3 (...The pining for the departed. Edition)

[House_of_Dahl]

ESPN article..

Former flame divides once-close teammates

As Western Bulldogs fans and the footy public search for reasons behind the club's strangely ineffectual premiership defence, it emerges that an off-field, behind-the-scenes, incident could be responsible for divisions within the Dogs' ranks.

ESPN understands there's a rift between two once-close teammates involving a woman, the former flame of one who is now the partner of another.

The new-found relationship is said to have created a wedge within the playing group, throwing the club's premiership defence into further disarray.

The Dogs have lost much their bark following last year's fairy-tale premiership win, slumping to ninth after losing four of their past five matches.

Surely this isn't JJ and Stringer!?

 

[Sonsofthescray]

Surely this isn't JJ and Stringer!?

I have a feeling it could be unfortunately but hopefully not

 

[Wizard17]

Is this the same rumor Darcy called bulls*** on talking footy?

Edit: yes it is.

 

[ScragCity]

ESPN article..

Former flame divides once-close teammates

As Western Bulldogs fans and the footy public search for reasons behind the club's strangely ineffectual premiership defence, it emerges that an off-field, behind-the-scenes, incident could be responsible for divisions within the Dogs' ranks.

ESPN understands there's a rift between two once-close teammates involving a woman, the former flame of one who is now the partner of another.

The new-found relationship is said to have created a wedge within the playing group, throwing the club's premiership defence into further disarray.

The Dogs have lost much their bark following last year's fairy-tale premiership win, slumping to ninth after losing four of their past five matches.

Oh boy...

 

[ossie_21]

Would have to think it's not true, but you can see how that conclusion can be formulated.

 

[LewyBroome]

Oh boy...

Any Bulldogs got names?, Stringer and his misso recently broke up. Eagles will happily take away JJ If he's creating the wedge. Two birds one stone for both clubs. We accept these blokes at our club. One of the Selwoods went through John Worsfold's Ex-Wife whilst all parties were still involved with Eagles....

 

[StringyDog]

Hunter is getting butchered by beveridge this year IMO. Playing loose behind the ball a lot where his is awfully ineffective. He has become the king of the sideways/backwards safe option that teams are happy for him to take.

Get him back on the wing please Luke.

It's just bizarre Hunter elevated and established himself as a high quality wingman working up and back ground with his high workrate last year but l has spent most of this year forward early and defender recently, its like he is going out of his way to play him everywhere except where he was most effective last year.

 

[Ozil]

Sure, that wasn't lifted straight from the forums.

Stunned there's a byline, usually a "staff writers" job.

 

[ScragCity]

Any Bulldogs got names?, Stringer and his misso recently broke up. Eagles will happily take away JJ If he's creating the wedge. Two birds one stone for both clubs. We accept these blokes at our club. One of the Selwoods went through John Worsfold's Ex-Wife whilst all parties were still involved with Eagles....

Yeah sure, take him. All we need in return is Barrass and McGovern.

 

[Dry Rot]

ESPN article..

Former flame divides once-close teammates

As Western Bulldogs fans and the footy public search for reasons behind the club's strangely ineffectual premiership defence, it emerges that an off-field, behind-the-scenes, incident could be responsible for divisions within the Dogs' ranks.

ESPN understands there's a rift between two once-close teammates involving a woman, the former flame of one who is now the partner of another.

The new-found relationship is said to have created a wedge within the playing group, throwing the club's premiership defence into further disarray.

The Dogs have lost much their bark following last year's fairy-tale premiership win, slumping to ninth after losing four of their past five matches.

So the rumour I heard up here IS true!

Caleb Danial has pinched Dunkley's model girlfriend.

"I just love men in helmets" the model said.

 

[cleveland]

So what are we gonna get for Gary when hes traded to most likely essendon? We are gonna be bent over big time

 

[Dry Rot]

So what are we gonna get for Gary when hes traded to most likely essendon? We are gonna be bent over big time

Gary who?

 

[Dav1d]

So the rumour I heard up here IS true!

Caleb Danial has pinched Dunkley's model girlfriend.

"I just love men in helmets" the model said.

Caleb Denial, Denial, Denial.

The timing of the article after it was just discussed here though, I don't know...

 

[cleveland]

Gary who?

Sorry...JJ

 

[Golden_6]

Sorry...JJ

I see you've fallen for the media bullshit.

 

[TMoney22]

Some good news and bad news. Good news is that as of right now the Koby Stevens trade is worth pick 67 in points value.

The bad news is that we're the ones giving the pick to the Saints. Yep, as of the current ladder the Koby Stevens trade works out to -292 points(pick 67). We give them 61+53 and get 50+72.

So not only did we give StKilda a clearly best 22, 189cm big bodied 25 disposals midfielder with good skills (compared to the other hacks in the Saints midfield), but we were also generous enough to give them a draft pick on top for their troubles. How nice of us.
Now we know why JMac said in the post trade period video on our site that he was very disappointing in that trade. Would this be the first trade in AFL history where a team actually gives up a draft pick ALONG with a player for nothing in return? If he was so disappointed in the trade (as he should be) why the hell not make a stand and just send him to the PSD? Getting nothing for him is better than losing out on draft picks/points for nothing.

At least it looks like we're getting something in return for the Hrovat trade. That works out to us getting pick 54 atm. This is also for a player who is a clear best 22 for North, and tbh both Hrovat and Stevens would be in the top dozen or so players in their respective teams so far this season.

For some perspective here are some other trades done recently;

Collingwood got pick 32 for Paul Seedsman, who hasn't played a single AFL game this year.

Blues got pick 31 (in points) for Tom Bell who's playing VFL for the worst team in the league.

GWS got pick 30 for Curtly Hampton who's playing VFL for the Crows.

WestCoast got pick 31 for a 29yr old Matt Rosa who can barely get a game at GC.

But shouldn't fringe players from the Premiers have good value? Isn't that what we learnt from the Jed Anderson trade? Which got the Hawks pick 15 (with later pick swaps). Who btw also can't get a game for the 3rd worst team in the league (Actually he got recalled to their AFL team this weekend for some reason, but got 9 disposals so it will probably be his last game for the season, and maybe for the club).

jesus, not the best week to point this out. But great that you did. That is terrible.

 

[cleveland]

I see you've fallen for the media bullshit.

Nah m8 heard it weeks ago

 

[Golden_6]

Nah m8 heard it weeks ago

From your 7th hand reliable source no doubt.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

I heard that Jon patton was seen at Whitten oval during the gws bye

 

[Snarls Barkley]

If I was JMac I'd be throwing our first rounder to the Hawks for Gunston. We've got a few holes to fix but a good forward is what we're screaming our for. He's agile, can take a mark, kicks straight he'd be my number 1 focus.

We do need a burst mid but I still hold hopes that Stringer is that guy, just too many problems inside forward 50 for him to spend decent stints through the middle.

Love what I've been hearing on here about Lipinski so I'm hopeful that he can be another forward option that we see a lot next season.

Another KPD would be nice as well. May would be perfect but very unlikely I'd imagine. If we can't get him, I'd be searching for a Hamling type DFA rather than trading for a McStay. I think McStay will be a decent player but I'm keeping our draft picks for Dalrymple unless we're trading for a star.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Some good news and bad news. Good news is that as of right now the Koby Stevens trade is worth pick 67 in points value.

The bad news is that we're the ones giving the pick to the Saints. Yep, as of the current ladder the Koby Stevens trade works out to -292 points(pick 67). We give them 61+53 and get 50+72.

So not only did we give StKilda a clearly best 22, 189cm big bodied 25 disposals midfielder with good skills (compared to the other hacks in the Saints midfield), but we were also generous enough to give them a draft pick on top for their troubles. How nice of us.
Now we know why JMac said in the post trade period video on our site that he was very disappointing in that trade. Would this be the first trade in AFL history where a team actually gives up a draft pick ALONG with a player for nothing in return? If he was so disappointed in the trade (as he should be) why the hell not make a stand and just send him to the PSD? Getting nothing for him is better than losing out on draft picks/points for nothing.

At least it looks like we're getting something in return for the Hrovat trade. That works out to us getting pick 54 atm. This is also for a player who is a clear best 22 for North, and tbh both Hrovat and Stevens would be in the top dozen or so players in their respective teams so far this season.

For some perspective here are some other trades done recently;

Collingwood got pick 32 for Paul Seedsman, who hasn't played a single AFL game this year.

Blues got pick 31 (in points) for Tom Bell who's playing VFL for the worst team in the league.

GWS got pick 30 for Curtly Hampton who's playing VFL for the Crows.

WestCoast got pick 31 for a 29yr old Matt Rosa who can barely get a game at GC.

But shouldn't fringe players from the Premiers have good value? Isn't that what we learnt from the Jed Anderson trade? Which got the Hawks pick 15 (with later pick swaps). Who btw also can't get a game for the 3rd worst team in the league (Actually he got recalled to their AFL team this weekend for some reason, but got 9 disposals so it will probably be his last game for the season, and maybe for the club).

I'm on record of not being a big Jmac fan, the Stevens trade did nothing to help it. Could probably use him at the moment too

 

[BRWB]

A nice spit roast with beers sorts out all problems...

 

[cleveland]

From your 7th hand reliable source no doubt.

So easy to be a smartarse in situations like this lol

 

[Golden_6]

So easy to be a smartarse in situations like this lol

You're the one accusing our players of things based on unsubstantiated claims. Sort that out first.

 

[Dav1d]

If I was JMac I'd be throwing our first rounder to the Hawks for Gunston. We've got a few holes to fix but a good forward is what we're screaming our for. He's agile, can take a mark, kicks straight he'd be my number 1 focus.

We do need a burst mid but I still hold hopes that Stringer is that guy, just too many problems inside forward 50 for him to spend decent stints through the middle.

Love what I've been hearing on here about Lipinski so I'm hopeful that he can be another forward option that we see a lot next season.

Another KPD would be nice as well. May would be perfect but very unlikely I'd imagine. If we can't get him, I'd be searching for a Hamling type DFA rather than trading for a McStay. I think McStay will be a decent player but I'm keeping our draft picks for Dalrymple unless we're trading for a star.

We can trade future draft picks to, we have to be careful though
Because you are forced to take at least one first rounder every three years. (I believe it was that)

We have traded out of a few first rounds the last couple of years

When was our last first round pick guys?