Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[footscray1973]

In that scenario i posted - the Eagles get a decent draft pick in exchange for paying most of McGovern’s salary for 2 years while he plays for us.

Eagles are not challenging at the moment, wouldn’t that trade actually suit them?

What's a decent draft pick? Assuming our first rounder is off the table, and we need to trade for Lobb, how do we have draft capital to entice Eagles to pay "most" of McGovern's million dollars per annum. "Most" indicates more than half. I can't see Eagles paying 550plus pa for him to play elsewhere, even if just for a year or two. Pies are paying 300-ish per year for Treloar and that is widely derided.

 

[adogsfan5]

We need to be able to tweak our game plan so that we are harder to score against. Fix that up and keep Timmy on the park with another tall to chop out and we’re looking ok next year.

 

[weltschmerz]

What's a decent draft pick? Assuming our first rounder is off the table, and we need to trade for Lobb, how do we have draft capital to entice Eagles to pay "most" of McGovern's million dollars per annum. "Most" indicates more than half. I can't see Eagles paying 550plus pa for him to play elsewhere, even if just for a year or two. Pies are paying 300-ish per year for Treloar and that is widely derided.

I reckon our first rounder should be on the table this year. Busslinger is the only guy I'd want to use it on and he'll be gone before our pick.

 

[scooter600x]

What's a decent draft pick? Assuming our first rounder is off the table, and we need to trade for Lobb, how do we have draft capital to entice Eagles to pay "most" of McGovern's million dollars per annum. "Most" indicates more than half. I can't see Eagles paying 550plus pa for him to play elsewhere, even if just for a year or two. Pies are paying 300-ish per year for Treloar and that is widely derided.

That's the point. We would be essentially selling our first rounder for $550K per year for two years.

 

[Foxman98]

I reckon our first rounder should be on the table this year. Busslinger is the only guy I'd want to use it on and he'll be gone before our pick.

For Barass/Louge yes McGovern no chance missed way to many games over the last 3 years

 

[dergert]

There's a few good small forwards in this draft isn't there? Well worth holding on to our first round for them if there isn't a KPD available.

 

[footscray1973]

That's the point. We would be essentially selling our first rounder for $550K per year for two years.

Are you comfortable giving up our first rounder for that, taking into consideration he hasn't managed a full season since 2019, and will be 31 at the start of next season?

I understand we probably need to take a risk if we want a top level mature KPD, and if the club do their due diligence and are satisfied, that's great. Personally, I'm not keen. Also how is he 1v1? Doesn't he play more of an interceptor role?

 

[doggies ftw]

Unless the backline coach came up with the idea to run back 5m on every mark so the ball can come in as fast and easy as possible, I fail to see how it's his fault

It’s just crazy isn’t it how can an idea be so fundamentally wrong and so obvious - yet still be in use, genuinely pulling my flipping hair out week by week watching this shit. I have grave concerns about the state of scalp by round 23.


Tbh though I just haven’t loved our defensive system in years, (forgetting about the ridiculous 5m thing) it’s just so poor, players flying for the same mark, constantly and I mean CONSTANTLY letting the ball go over the back of a pack for easy goals, I mean come on this is Auskick level shit - just flipping keep someone at ground level to mop up ffs. Seems no one (but Dale) knows their role back there it’s just a shambles.

Forward line is exactly the same though, no cohesion, no teamwork just everyone fly at the top of the square and hope for the best at ground level.

These two lines are genuinely probably up there with the worst coached lines in the league, and that isn’t just this year.

I really really think our issues are generally papered over because we’ve had the best midfield by an absolute mile for years and constantly winning the midfield battle and bulk inside 50s is both allowing us to kick winning scores and protecting our defence. It’s now been found out how to negate that and look at us,

Just a genuine shambles honestly

 

[weltschmerz]

There's a few good small forwards in this draft isn't there? Well worth holding on to our first round for them if there isn't a KPD available.

We should be able to get one later in the draft. I have my eye on Seth Campbell.

 

[scooter600x]

Are you comfortable giving up our first rounder for that, taking into consideration he hasn't managed a full season since 2019, and will be 31 at the start of next season?

I understand we probably need to take a risk if we want a top level mature KPD, and if the club do their due diligence and are satisfied, that's great. Personally, I'm not keen. Also how is he 1v1? Doesn't he play more of an interceptor role?

No, I’m not at all.
But with his salary even if we got him for a 3rd rounder we don’t have the cap room.
Either way he’s a no.

 

[immortalmike]

Are you comfortable giving up our first rounder for that, taking into consideration he hasn't managed a full season since 2019, and will be 31 at the start of next season?

I understand we probably need to take a risk if we want a top level mature KPD, and if the club do their due diligence and are satisfied, that's great. Personally, I'm not keen. Also how is he 1v1? Doesn't he play more of an interceptor role?

I remember reading similarposts on the Hawks board before they traded in Lake.
Sometimes you have to take a risk.

 

[doggiesin08]

Once upon a time in a land far, far away:

1. West Coast renegotiates Tom Barrass
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   ' contract to expire at the end of this year making him a free agent
2. We sign Tom Barrass
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   as a free agent for a salary that delivers the Eagles a 1st-round compensation (pick #3)
3. We live trade pick #9, pick #27 and pick #37 to the Eagles for pick #3 (see step 2 above)*
4. Draft Jed Busslinger with Pick #3 and start 2023 with Barrass (27 y.o), Keath (31 y.o) and Busslinger (19 y.o) as KPDs
5. Hope that the AFL doesn't make up a new rule to punish us for the above

* Alternative if they don't want so many 2022 picks then pick #9 + pick #27 + 2023 2nd rounder for pick #3 + pick #38

In summary:

• From our perspective we turn pick #9 + #27 + #37 into Barrass and Busslinger
• From WCE perspective they've traded Barrass for those 3 picks

If you need to image Dunkley leaves to free up salary cap then go for it.

 

[goodcop badcop]

There's a few good small forwards in this draft isn't there? Well worth holding on to our first round for them if there isn't a KPD available.

There's not a lot of options. Sheezel will be gone, Konstanty is probably the only genuine small forward that could be talented enough to go that high. Brayden George is another small/medium, but sounds a bit like Weightmen.

 

[footscray1973]

I remember reading similarposts on the Hawks board before they traded in Lake.
Sometimes you have to take a risk.

I accept the risk v reward argument, and I had thought about Lake as a comparison. He had an injury-riddled 2011, but then played nearly every game in 2012 for us. He also renegotiated his remaining contract with Hawks to get an extra year at less p.a. He was also traded for picks 21 and 41, not the first rounder being proposed.

If McGovern is prepared to do the same, and renegotiate his contract that makes a significant difference. But he is on an average yearly salary of 1million for 2 more years. How much of that would he be prepared to give up? And the proposal being put earlier is that we give up potentially our first rounder for Eagles to still pick up a significant portion of his salary.

So would Eagles actually pay 500k-plus for a player not on their books for 2 more years, even with a first rounder in exchange?
And would we actually give up a first rounder for a 30yo?
Alternatively, would McGovern give up 2 years at 1million p.a. to move clubs for another shot at a flag on reduced $$$?

 

[flipper83]

Here's my fantasy trade idea for the day:

1. West Coast renegotiates Tom Barrass' contract to expire at the end of this year making him a free agent
2. We sign Tom Barrass as a free agent for a salary that delivers the Eagles a 1st-round compensation (pick #3)
3. We live trade pick #9, pick #27 and pick #37 to the Eagles for pick #3 (see step 2 above)*
4. Draft Jed Busslinger with Pick #3 and start 2023 with Barrass (27 y.o), Keath (31 y.o) and Busslinger (19 y.o) as KPDs
5. Hope that the AFL doesn't make up a new rule to punish us for the above

* Alternative if they don't want so many 2022 picks then pick #9 + pick #27 + 2023 2nd rounder for pick #3 + pick #38

In summary:

• From our perspective we turn pick #9 + #27 + #37 into Barrass and Busslinger
• From WCE perspective they've traded Barrass for those 3 picks

If you need to image Dunkley leaves to free up salary cap then go for it.

Very creative but Eagles would probably take busslinger

 

[weltschmerz]

Very creative but Eagles would probably take busslinger

They'd be taking Wardlaw.

 

[scooter600x]

Here's my fantasy trade idea for the day:

1. West Coast renegotiates Tom Barrass' contract to expire at the end of this year making him a free agent
2. We sign Tom Barrass as a free agent for a salary that delivers the Eagles a 1st-round compensation (pick #3)
3. We live trade pick #9, pick #27 and pick #37 to the Eagles for pick #3 (see step 2 above)*
4. Draft Jed Busslinger with Pick #3 and start 2023 with Barrass (27 y.o), Keath (31 y.o) and Busslinger (19 y.o) as KPDs
5. Hope that the AFL doesn't make up a new rule to punish us for the above

* Alternative if they don't want so many 2022 picks then pick #9 + pick #27 + 2023 2nd rounder for pick #3 + pick #38

In summary:

• From our perspective we turn pick #9 + #27 + #37 into Barrass and Busslinger
• From WCE perspective they've traded Barrass for those 3 picks

If you need to image Dunkley leaves to free up salary cap then go for it.

That story should begin ...
"Once upon a time in a land far, far away ..."

Totally against AFL rules

 

[Northernsoul74]

I think the afl would probably question this.

Here's my fantasy trade idea for the day:

1. West Coast renegotiates Tom Barrass' contract to expire at the end of this year making him a free agent
2. We sign Tom Barrass as a free agent for a salary that delivers the Eagles a 1st-round compensation (pick #3)
3. We live trade pick #9, pick #27 and pick #37 to the Eagles for pick #3 (see step 2 above)*
4. Draft Jed Busslinger with Pick #3 and start 2023 with Barrass (27 y.o), Keath (31 y.o) and Busslinger (19 y.o) as KPDs
5. Hope that the AFL doesn't make up a new rule to punish us for the above

* Alternative if they don't want so many 2022 picks then pick #9 + pick #27 + 2023 2nd rounder for pick #3 + pick #38

In summary:

• From our perspective we turn pick #9 + #27 + #37 into Barrass and Busslinger
• From WCE perspective they've traded Barrass for those 3 picks

If you need to image Dunkley leaves to free up salary cap then go for it.

 

[Maverick Dog]

In 2015 the coaching panel did an amazing job to develop a game plan and also belief in players where the team overachieved based on talent and achieved ultimate success.

Defensive structure was brilliant, pressure was great. This was needed because our talented players were too young and and nowhere near the prime and we had a lot of foot soldiers. Injuries did not matter because structure and game plan was so strong. We needed a point of differnce to get an edge on more talented teams.

We no longer need a point of difference as I believe our team is as talented as any other. We can now look at copying the best and refining based on our talent, much like the Tigers did with our game plan in 2017.

if we could get a competent key defender, maybe Lobb and adapt the game plan I am confident we would be top 2 again next year.

 

[josh the gent]

What's a decent draft pick? Assuming our first rounder is off the table, and we need to trade for Lobb, how do we have draft capital to entice Eagles to pay "most" of McGovern's million dollars per annum. "Most" indicates more than half. I can't see Eagles paying 550plus pa for him to play elsewhere, even if just for a year or two. Pies are paying 300-ish per year for Treloar and that is widely derided.

The Eagles are going through the “down” cycle obviously, and are expected to suck for the next couple of years.

Why not turn 600k of next year’s salary cap (and 2024’s) into a draft pick? Basically a free crack at finding a player.

I suggested a second round.

Treloar situation isn’t really comparable. Pies were not considered out of contention - and traded a gun mid in his 20s for not much return while paying his salary…… none of which was by design but rather poor list management - that’s why they were derided for that move.

 

[dergert]

Hopefully Noble gets the sack and we can get him in some operational role.

 

[doggiesin08]

I think the afl would probably question this.

It’s less corrupt than what went down with GWS and Melbourne back in the day that landed the Dees Hogan and Viney on the cheap. They can question that one at the same time.

In all seriousness though I think a club in WCE’s position last year should have signed Barrass up to a 1-year deal with a heap of options rather than locking him in for 5 years. Gives them an opportunity to have him become a free agent every year.

 

[Lex22]

Assuming that Lobb is going and the Dockers get Jackson, then Freo just need the salary space. We’ll get Lobb pretty cheap.

As a fwd/2nd ruck, he’s great cover for Bruce (injuries) and is that 2-3 year stop-gap for JUH & Darcy. Also gives cover for English, who has had a few bad concussions now.

He’s a no brainer and will effectively be what Tom Boyd wouldve been structurally.

Walker doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for us. If it was a 2008-2010 set-up, he’d be about perfect, but in our absolute mess of a forward line, Tony Lockett

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would struggle down there.

An investment in a creative ex-player as an assistant coach to sort out that mess would be a better acquisition than any veteran full forward. Go after a Stevie J, Nick Davis etc.

We desperately need at least 2 key backs - a starting KPD and another developing/depth. West Coast have a stack of them, can we not shake one loose from a bottom 2 team?

 

[bullish23]

So Bubba is ok at coaching attacking running defenders but struggles to bring the best out of our talls.

I’m shocked.

Nightmares of Matthew Robran just returned...

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Assuming that Lobb is going and the Dockers get Jackson, then Freo just need the salary space. We’ll get Lobb pretty cheap.

As a fwd/2nd ruck, he’s great cover for Bruce (injuries) and is that 2-3 year stop-gap for JUH & Darcy. Also gives cover for English, who has had a few bad concussions now.

He’s a no brainer and will effectively be what Tom Boyd wouldve been structurally.

Walker doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for us. If it was a 2008-2010 set-up, he’d be about perfect, but in our absolute mess of a forward line, Tony Lockett would struggle down there.

An investment in a creative ex-player as an assistant coach to sort out that mess would be a better acquisition than any veteran full forward. Go after a Stevie J, Nick Davis etc.

We desperately need at least 2 key backs - a starting KPD and another developing/depth. West Coast have a stack of them, can we not shake one loose from a bottom 2 team?

Which Walker are we talking about, and where did that rumour come from?