Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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Dogs Rule said:
Exactly. Marc Webb and Spangher. The coaching equivalent of shopping at The $2 Shop.
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Webb is highly regarded
Spangher was a "surprising" selection among some AFL circles...
 
Proffessor said:
What are the chances another club would trade with us for Ryan Gardner?
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We would need to add Bont to convince them.
 

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I don’t know where to ask this question so thought here would be an okay place.

Sorry if not appropriate.

Does anyone know who reports all matters football such as coaches, coaching, team selection, game plan , team and coaching performance and alike to the board?

Is Chris Grant on the board or is he employed by the board?

Does Chris Grant report to a particular person on the board say a football director and he then conveys that to the board alone with his own thoughts?

I’m sure directors have expertise in certain areas.

And where does CEO fit in in relation to football matters and reporting ?
 
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Dog 36 said:
I don’t know where to ask this question so thought here would be an okay place.

Sorry if not appropriate.

Does anyone know who reports all matters football such as coaches, coaching, team selection, game plan , team and coaching performance and alike to the board?

Is Chris Grant on the board or is he employed by the board?

Does Chris Grant report to a particular person on the board say a football director and he then conveys that to the board alone with his own thoughts?

I’m sure directors have expertise in certain areas.

And where does CEO fit in in relation to football matters and reporting ?
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Chris Grant moved away from the board into a full time role a few years ago.

Luke Darcy is now on the board as football director.

Grant would report to the CEO.

I’d imagine both Bevo and Grant make presentations/ updates to the Board and CEO.
 
The Inbetweener said:
Chris Grant moved away from the board into a full time role a few years ago.

Luke Darcy is now on the board as football director.

Grant would report to the CEO.

I’d imagine both Bevo and Grant make presentations/ updates to the Board and CEO.
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Thanks so Darcy role as Football Director means and does what? How is that role different to another directors

I guess who makes the call on the performance of the football department from game style, selections to injury, strength and conditioning.

From what you say I think a stronger hard nosed but fair and more football wise person is needed to replace Grant.

Need people around Bev to challenge him and get him to think about things differently and consider other options but those people need to be smart football people. Eg Pyke at the Swans.
 
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In a perfect world this is what I’d be doing. Trade Josh Dunkley and Adam Treloar together. I don’t know where but make it so that it allows us to do the following:

Acquire any two of: Ben McKay, Tom Barrass, Griffin Logue, Sam Collins, Tomlinson.

I’d then acquire Rory Lobb and push Aaron Naughton back. I would do my best to fix what ever issues Bailey Williams is having and get him back in form. Our team then looks like this:

FB: C Daniel - [insert above defender] - [insert above defender]

HB: E Richards - A Naughton - A Keath

C: K Mcintosh - T Liberatore - B Dale

HF: JJ - J Bruce - J Ugle-Hagan

FF: C Weightman - R Lobb - M Bontempelli

Foll: T English - J Macrae - B Smith

Int: R West - L Hunter - B Williams - T McLean
 
Mofra said:
Webb is highly regarded
Spangher was a "surprising" selection among some AFL circles...
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The problem is beveridge’a contract appears to be limiting our ability to get quality assistants.

Realistically in a perfect world only one of smith Webb or Spangler would be a line coach. The others would lower role coaches.

He may be a highly regarded coach but probably should have entered the system as a development coach or similar role.
 
ThePhreshOne said:
In a perfect world this is what I’d be doing. Trade Josh Dunkley and Adam Treloar together. I don’t know where but make it so that it allows us to do the following:

Acquire any two of: Ben McKay, Tom Barrass, Griffin Logue, Sam Collins, Tomlinson.

I’d then acquire Rory Lobb and push Aaron Naughton back. I would do my best to fix what ever issues Bailey Williams is having and get him back in form. Our team then looks like this:

FB: C Daniel - [insert above defender] - [insert above defender]

HB: E Richards - A Naughton - A Keath

C: K Mcintosh - T Liberatore - B Dale

HF: JJ - J Bruce - J Ugle-Hagan

FF: C Weightman - R Lobb - M Bontempelli

Foll: T English - J Macrae - B Smith

Int: R West - L Hunter - B Williams - T McLean
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I’d rather keep Dunkley and Treloar if possible, keep our midfield dominance. Ship Hunter off for salary space, we don’t need two of those defenders you’ve mentioned + Naughty & Keath - just the one of them.

McKay we should be going balls to the wall for. Bring in Broad as a FA, and Lobb.

Keath, McKay & Broad down back, Naughty, Bruce and Lobb up front, Darcy next in line down back and Jamarra next in line up front.

Bank on Williams and Bedendo on the wings, or even Dale like you mentioned which I don’t mind. Daniel & Ed two locks in defence, Cody & West two locks up front.
 
doggies ftw said:
I’d rather keep Dunkley and Treloar if possible, keep our midfield dominance. Ship Hunter off for salary space, we don’t need two of those defenders you’ve mentioned + Naughty & Keath - just the one of them.

McKay we should be going balls to the wall for. Bring in Broad as a FA, and Lobb.

Keath, McKay & Broad down back, Naughty, Bruce and Lobb up front, Darcy next in line down back and Jamarra next in line up front.

Bank on Williams and Bedendo on the wings, or even Dale like you mentioned which I don’t mind. Daniel & Ed two locks in defence, Cody & West two locks up front.
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Totally forgot we’d try get Kamdyn McIntosh who I rate highly.

But yeah. I think we can all agree we need to drop a bomb on the defensive line. Obviously coaching and game plan changes are required as well but no game plan will make last nights backline look good.
 
doggies ftw said:
So boring, do you watch or just look at the stats sheet? Blokes got more natural talent than just about anyone on the list. Coming along just fine
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I watch. I watch him not take marks. Not chase. He doesn’t tackle. He has next to no impact on the game. He’s being gifted games because he was a high draft pick
 
ThePhreshOne said:
In a perfect world this is what I’d be doing. Trade Josh Dunkley and Adam Treloar together. I don’t know where but make it so that it allows us to do the following:

Acquire any two of: Ben McKay, Tom Barrass, Griffin Logue, Sam Collins, Tomlinson.

I’d then acquire Rory Lobb and push Aaron Naughton back. I would do my best to fix what ever issues Bailey Williams is having and get him back in form. Our team then looks like this:

FB: C Daniel - [insert above defender] - [insert above defender]

HB: E Richards - A Naughton - A Keath

C: K Mcintosh - T Liberatore - B Dale

HF: JJ - J Bruce - J Ugle-Hagan

FF: C Weightman - R Lobb - M Bontempelli

Foll: T English - J Macrae - B Smith

Int: R West - L Hunter - B Williams - T McLean
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So Lobb who until this point in his career has never kicked more than 27 goals in a season and Josh Bruce coming off a knee reco will spear head our forward line and replace the 50 goals that Naughton is on track to kick this year after doing close to the same last year?

I seriously do not get this fascination with sending Naughton back and how people think we will not lose anything as a forward line. If you asked every opposition coach where they’d rather Naughton lined up against them forward or back everyone would say back as him forward scares the crap out of every opposition. Teams put that much planning into him cause of how dangerous he is.

He is a superstar forward who is currently doing it one out with no support and we want to throw him back. Imagine what level he can go to when he actually has support and some forward structure/plans
 

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Dog 36 said:
Thanks so Darcy role as Football Director means and does what? How is that role different to another directors

I guess who makes the call on the performance of the football department from game style, selections to injury, strength and conditioning.

From what you say I think a stronger hard nosed but fair and more football wise person is needed to replace Grant.

Need people around Bev to challenge him and get him to think about things differently and consider other options but those people need to be smart football people. Eg Pyke at the Swans.
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Darcy’s spot on the board is essentially there to advise on football matters while the rest of the board and there to advise on commercial/ business etc.

Overall Grant runs the football department - recruiting, strength and conditioning, hiring assistant coaches etc sits with him. Bevo would have input on this, which is what a lot of people have an issue is he may have more input than a coach should.

I agree re Grant. He really isn’t qualified for the job and had no experience before taking the job.
 
Doggies_13 said:
So Lobb who until this point in his career has never kicked more than 27 goals in a season and Josh Bruce coming off a knee reco will spear head our forward line and replace the 50 goals that Naughton is on track to kick this year after doing close to the same last year?

I seriously do not get this fascination with sending Naughton back and how people think we will not lose anything as a forward line. If you asked every opposition coach where they’d rather Naughton lined up against them forward or back everyone would say back as him forward scares the crap out of every opposition. Teams put that much planning into him cause of how dangerous he is.

He is a superstar forward who is currently doing it one out with no support and we want to throw him back. Imagine what level he can go to when he actually has support and some forward structure/plans
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The Cam Luke comparison to Moore last night was laughable Moore never kicked more than 25 Naughts is on 42 and apparently has no forward craft
 
Foxman98 said:
The Cam Luke comparison to Moore last night was laughable Moore never kicked more than 25 Naughts is on 42 and apparently has no forward craft
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Moore wasn’t of the calibre of Naughton forward and when thrown forward since he never looked like impacting. You are right the comparison doesn’t fit. 50 goal a year forwards don’t go to the backline
 
Smiley Boy said:
Highly regarded WAFL player looking after the best midfield in the comp 🥴
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He's not a WAFL player. He is currently an assistant coach
 
Doggies_13 said:
Moore wasn’t of the calibre of Naughton forward and when thrown forward since he never looked like impacting. You are right the comparison doesn’t fit. 50 goal a year forwards don’t go to the backline
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Cornes was laughed at and mocked for suggesting Carlton put Curnow back and we should be doing the same
 
Doggies_13 said:
So Lobb who until this point in his career has never kicked more than 27 goals in a season and Josh Bruce coming off a knee reco will spear head our forward line and replace the 50 goals that Naughton is on track to kick this year after doing close to the same last year?

I seriously do not get this fascination with sending Naughton back and how people think we will not lose anything as a forward line. If you asked every opposition coach where they’d rather Naughton lined up against them forward or back everyone would say back as him forward scares the crap out of every opposition. Teams put that much planning into him cause of how dangerous he is.

He is a superstar forward who is currently doing it one out with no support and we want to throw him back. Imagine what level he can go to when he actually has support and some forward structure/plans
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What he is, is a player who’s unbelievable at taking marks and as a result he kicks a lot of goals. He’s not a superstar forward. He struggles from distance. He doesn’t understand forward craft or leading patterns and constantly gets in the way of his fellow forwards. He’s a good forward, but would be a far far better defender.

I also believe we save more goals by taking him out and putting him in defence than we lose by having Lobb/English there instead.

I understand completely the argument to keep him in the forward line and if it were up to me I’d have two of him with one at either end. We don’t have that.

You’re welcome to disagree and you’re welcome to share your opinion. I’ve shared the view he should be a forward but I’ve come around to the idea. Realistically we need to replace 3 players in our backline. If we move Naughton we’ve got the cattle to replace him and the defensive deficiencies are lesser.
 
ThePhreshOne said:
What he is, is a player who’s unbelievable at taking marks and as a result he kicks a lot of goals. He’s not a superstar forward. He struggles from distance. He doesn’t understand forward craft or leading patterns and constantly gets in the way of his fellow forwards. He’s a good forward, but would be a far far better defender.

I also believe we save more goals by taking him out and putting him in defence than we lose by having Lobb/English there instead.

I understand completely the argument to keep him in the forward line and if it were up to me I’d have two of him with one at either end. We don’t have that.

You’re welcome to disagree and you’re welcome to share your opinion. I’ve shared the view he should be a forward but I’ve come around to the idea. Realistically we need to replace 3 players in our backline. If we move Naughton we’ve got the cattle to replace him and the defensive deficiencies are lesser.
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His forward craft has improved remarkable this year. The getting into the space of other forwards is a combination of him being the main man and also lack of cohesion with the other forwards due to limited games together.

Not sure about him not having leading patterns he leads well with space the issue is our game plan means we bomb to a crowded forward line which means we need a contested marking beast in there.

I don’t agree we save more goals than we lose especially with the current game plan. Naughton won’t just be intercepting every opposition forward 50 by going back as we are allowing multiple one on ones and have an open backline.

You don’t move a 50 goal a year forward back it’s as simple as that. We need to recruit a key defender (Logue, McGovern, barrass) are the 3 I’d be going for. We need a lockdown type defender (Broad), I’d even look at Stack as a defender.

If the backline next year was:
B: Richards Keath Broad
HB: Dale Logue Daniel/Cleary

Depth/options: Crozier, Williams, JJ, Raak, Gardner, O’Brien

Maybe we need that third tall but that can be week to week selection, have one weak link as a third tall as opposed to 3 weak links every week is okay.

Forward line built around Naughton and Bruce with JUH and Darcy developing and Weightman as a small is a great base and a dangerous forward line just missing the elite speed pressure forward.
 
BWFC said:
I watch. I watch him not take marks. Not chase. He doesn’t tackle. He has next to no impact on the game. He’s being gifted games because he was a high draft pick
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Which player are you talking about? I think I know and I agree.
 
ThePhreshOne said:
What he is, is a player who’s unbelievable at taking marks and as a result he kicks a lot of goals. He’s not a superstar forward. He struggles from distance. He doesn’t understand forward craft or leading patterns and constantly gets in the way of his fellow forwards. He’s a good forward, but would be a far far better defender.

I also believe we save more goals by taking him out and putting him in defence than we lose by having Lobb/English there instead.

I understand completely the argument to keep him in the forward line and if it were up to me I’d have two of him with one at either end. We don’t have that.

You’re welcome to disagree and you’re welcome to share your opinion. I’ve shared the view he should be a forward but I’ve come around to the idea. Realistically we need to replace 3 players in our backline. If we move Naughton we’ve got the cattle to replace him and the defensive deficiencies are lesser.
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Yeah nah absolutely disagree with this, he is a superstar forward. His forward craft is brilliant, he struggles with chemistry with the revolving door of forwards but who wouldn’t? Look how he worked with a proper partner in Bruce last year - what you’re forgetting as well is the goals he creates when he’s not kicking them, he’d create more goals for his team mates than any other forward in the league with his ability to never be out of the contest, follow up on ground level, tackling, pressure and general bullocking work at ground level is ranked elite for anyone never mind a FF.

He gets up the wing and takes marks, rucks inside 50 and still kicks bags and bags of Goals. I’m not sure what else he’d have to do to be a superstar forward in the modern era, he’s as good as it gets and he’s 22.
 
doggies ftw said:
Yeah nah absolutely disagree with this, he is a superstar forward. His forward craft is brilliant - what you’re forgetting as well is the goals he creates when he’s not kicking them, he’d create more goals for his team mates than any other forward in the league with his ability to never be out of the contest, follow up on ground level, tackling, pressure and general bullocking work at ground level is ranked elite for anyone never mind a FF.

He gets up the wing and takes marks, rucks inside 50 and still kicks bags and bags of Goals. I’m not sure what else he’d have to do to be a superstar forward in the modern era, he’s as good as it gets and he’s 22.
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Yeah look I’m not saying he’s not a fantastic forward. I just think he’d be a better defender 🤷‍♂️
 
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