Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[El Rancho]

The idea of the pies paying around $600k of our salary cap would make it almost worth pulling the trigger on the deal

 

[doggie dog]

Guessing it would be something like

Suns: Pick 10, 17, F1
Dogs: Pick 4, 43, 57, 61

If the dogs are trading up for 4 to assist the GCS with points for their academies i want close to or equal points coming back or no deal for me.
Pick 4 will be gone with just the Walters bid, then there is still Reid and Rodgers to come.

 

[VitalDread]

If the dogs are trading up for 4 to assist the GCS with points for their academies i want close to or equal points coming back or no deal for me.
Pick 4 will be gone with just the Walters bid, then there is still Reid and Rodgers to come.

Gold coast would say Dogs only need points for around 10-15 mark

 

[Snarls Barkley]

HS running with the ideal of Lobb for Grundy salary swap

If English is open to a forward role next year now that he has actually ruck support

I'm all for it

I think Grundy has a couple of good years left and its probably who both clubs should've chased last season.

I don't think its realistic. Think it'd be poor form to chase a player and then try and trade him a season later. We already struggle to bring good recruits in as it is. Also think English would be no chance of re-signing if he is not number one ruck.

 

[JTCWBFC]

HS running with the ideal of Lobb for Grundy salary swap

If English is open to a forward role next year now that he has actually ruck support

I'm all for it

I'd rather keep Lobb, get Grundy & trade English to load up on draft picks & accelerate our rebuild.

But wouldn't be against this.

 

[bobs head soup]

HS running with the ideal of Lobb for Grundy salary swap

If English is open to a forward role next year now that he has actually ruck support

I'm all for it

Grundy needs to be #1 ruck wherever he plays and is still good enough to do so at a number of clubs. We're one of the last clubs he fits in well at.

 

[Mojorisin]

Grundy needs to be #1 ruck wherever he plays and is still good enough to do so at a number of clubs. We're one of the last clubs he fits in well at.

The only reason to consider Grundy would be if English was to move on.

 

[Sentinel]

Still talk of West Coast not considering Reid and trading pick 1

Let's say
Bailey does open to move to Geelong or Hawks

How would people feel if we moved 4 and 8 for 1?

Based on current reports about our pick 4 offer, it could roughly equate to:

• Out: pick 10, pick 17, F1, Bailey Smith
• In: Harley Reid

(with some late picks presumably swapped around). That's a hell of a lot to give up for one unproven player.

 

[Euku]

No Grundy is s**t now Lobb starting to play better already

Based on current reports about our pick 4 offer, it could roughly equate to:

• Out: pick 10, pick 17, F1, Bailey Smith
• In: Harley Reid

(with some late picks presumably swapped around). That's a hell of a lot to give up for one unproven player.

Can we remove these posts feels like trolling

 

[Bulldogs85]

Can some please post our part of the Article up it’s behind a paywall

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-likely-ins-and-outs-at-every-club-this-trade-period/news-story/dac6b1dd574654af27ca50e548dce2bc

 

[VitalDread]

Can some please post our part of the Article up it’s behind a paywall

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-likely-ins-and-outs-at-every-club-this-trade-period/news-story/dac6b1dd574654af27ca50e548dce2bc

Just Smith staying and Sweet gone
Nothing new

 

[Barking Mad]

Cannot see Cats letting Holmes go, when their list manager himself has said pace in the midfield is their main target in the off-season. Will be shocked if he is allowed to go.

Me neither but both in contract for 1 year. If they come a sniffing no discussions unless Holmes involved. Well DK but we know that it happening

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Can some please post our part of the Article up it’s behind a paywall

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-likely-ins-and-outs-at-every-club-this-trade-period/news-story/dac6b1dd574654af27ca50e548dce2bc

This is literally it. Extremely low effort article

WESTERN BULLDOGS​

Despite falling short of the finals, the Dogs have been quiet in the lead-in to the silly season. Bailey Smith is staying, while back-up ruck Jordon Sweet wants to go to Port Adelaide. The Dogs may keep Buku Khamis after he considered his options. The Dogs are eyeing father-son Jordan Croft so have to be mindful of their draft hand.

LIKELY INS: No one yet

LIKELY OUTS: Jordon Sweet

 

[doggie dog]

We lost to West Coast.

A game that would have qualified us for finals and we lost it.

And Power thinks we are the team that should be risking its future first for a small forward who’s been inconsistent at the pointy end of his draft year?

F-ing madness…..

Not just only that, the dogs lost to West coke, hawks, suns and struggled against norf. Only 2 goals in it at 3 quarter time.

These are teams that actively tanked throughout the year.

No F1 picks in any trade, especially with next year's midfielders, need to find a replacement at some stage for libba.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Goldy chose Essendon

Fair play but doesn't feel like a particularly smart ploy by either party. Thought Goldstein would go somewhere closer to premiership contention, even if that meant as a back up.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Goldy chose Essendon

Fair play but doesn't feel like a particularly smart ploy by either party. Thought Goldstein would go somewhere closer to premiership contention, even if that meant as a back up.

Should of want to Collingwood they were also interested in him

 

[Barking Mad]

HS running with the ideal of Lobb for Grundy salary swap

If English is open to a forward role next year now that he has actually ruck support

I'm all for it

And how does this differ to last year? Was it Grundy not interested, Dos not interested or English?
Was all for it last year, even at cost of losing Smith or say Daniel. Also had Hunter as part of it potentially.
See us further away a year later

 

[_Cerberus_]

Guessing it would be something like

Suns: Pick 10, 17, F1
Dogs: Pick 4, 43, 57, 61

Which doesn't make sense. We already have a bunch of picks in the 60s. We have made it clear we may draft as low as only two, up to a max of four players in the draft. We can only match Croft with the amount of picks similar to the amount of list spots we have open. So what benefit do we get with having 7-8 total junk picks in the 43-60s range?

To me it is still us giving up three first round picks, for one first round pick. Yes people say Croft will count as a first round pick, even though I personally rank him in the late teens to early 20s myself, and every "draft guru" is just copying each other when another hypes up a player.

But we can walk away with Croft AND three first round picks across the next two years. Maybe more first round picks if say Smith left. That could easily change this club around if we nailed them all. Give me 3-4 live first round picks and Croft over Watson, Croft and a bunch of kids in the 40s-60s. When our list is screaming for quality depth. Which you won't find drafting kids in the 60s range, rookies.

And potentially having our first pick next year being in the 30s if we finish high and there is a bunch of bids ahead of us. We have to be getting better picks back, or players as it still feels like way overs in my opinion.

People are massively over hyping pick 4 as if it is a god like pick and sure fire AA type player waiting for us. It is not worth giving up what is rumored. Will only accept it if we get a future second back and/or a player like Hollands etc. Otherwise Power looks like an idiot with his comments, about our inability to add quality depth, yet then goes out and dumps all of our high end picks for a lone one. Does not make sense to me. Makes me feel there is likely something more in the works we are not aware of and are not part of the rumors circle yet.

I am okay with trading up for pick 4, but we need a decent pick back, or quality players, not junk picks that may not be used, when we already have some. We are 5-6 decent players short of being a top end team, not one or two players.

 

[Zgope1]

If we took the ultimate risk and did those 3 firsts for pick 4(6) and got Watson this would be our team (I would hope)

Ed Jones Cleary/Buss
Dale JOD JJ
Williams Libba Poulter
Cody Lobb West
Watson Naughton JUH

English Bont Baz

Treloar Scott Daniel Gallagher Sub: Macrae

I truly think Macrae, Treloar and Daniel should rotate as sub to fit in youth. Forces Baz into more mid rotations along with West and Cody. I think those two need to be a very regular part of the midfield rotation

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Which doesn't make sense. We already have a bunch of picks in the 60s. We have made it clear we may draft as low as only two, up to a max of four players in the draft. We can only match Croft with the amount of picks similar to the amount of list spots we have open. So what benefit do we get with having 7-8 total junk picks in the 43-60s range?

To me it is still us giving up three first round picks, for one first round pick. Yes people say Croft will count as a first round pick, even though I personally rank him in the late teens to early 20s myself, and every "draft guru" is just copying each other when another hypes up a player.

But we can walk away with Croft AND three first round picks across the next four years. Instead of just pick 4 and Croft. When our list is screaming for quality depth. Which you won't find drafting kids in the 60s range. And potentially having our first pick next year being in the 30s if we finish high and there is a bunch of bids ahead of us. We have to be getting better picks back, or players as it still feels like way overs in my opinion.

Absolutely agree mate. The reasonable assumption is that we could just trade 17 for one of North's priority end of round 1 picks in 2024, which means there's a real opportunity cost in using Pick 17 for picks to get Croft. Trading Sweet will get us something in the 40s you'd think, so we should have no problem matching Croft without trading 17 down for points. So Croft, while a "first rounder", has no reason to cost us a true first round pick.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Absolutely agree mate. The reasonable assumption is that we could just trade 17 for one of North's priority end of round 1 picks in 2024, which means there's a real opportunity cost in using Pick 17 for picks to get Croft. Trading Sweet will get us something in the 40s you'd think, so we should have no problem matching Croft without trading 17 down for points. So Croft, while a "first rounder", has no reason to cost us a true first round pick.

Personally if we are out of the running for pick 4, I would rather trade out 17 for one of Norths future picks. Protects it at least, and there is a strong chance that the future North pick will end up being a couple of places better than pick 17 this year anyway, which I anticipate will end up in the 20s. We can walk into next years MID loaded draft with 2 top 20 picks, but also gives us ammo to trade back into this year for a player we like ahead of the Croft bid if needed. To go along with pick 10-12.

 

[Bulldogs85]

BIG DOG DESTINED TO STAY

WESTERN Bulldogs key forward Aaron Naughton will not be going anywhere during this year's Trade Period, despite a series of clubs enquiring about his potential availability ahead of a contract season in 2024.

Naughton signed a long-term deal with the Bulldogs back in 2019 that expires at the end of next season, though he will not yet be a free agent when that contract comes to its conclusion.

However, despite a host of teams making calls as to whether he would consider a move this October, Naughton's agent Andrew McDougall

Andrew Mcdougall

Age

41

Ht

197cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.9

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.2

3star

No current season stats available

D

7.0

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

2.4

3star

T

0.4

3star

from Corporate Sports Australia told Gettable on AFL Trade Radio that Naughton was committed to the Dogs.
"I can 100 percent confirm he is not going to move this year," McDougall told Gettable.

"Obviously, clubs are doing the right thing. They need to call and all that, I'd be doing the same thing if I was a list manager, but Aaron is committed to the club for next year. He's a contracted player and he'll definitely be staying at the Bulldogs next year."

Naughton's contract status has led to a different type of interest in his services to that of his teammate Tim English, with the All-Australian ruckman due to become one of the competition's hottest free agents next year.
"Aaron's a little bit different," McDougall said.

"At the same time, (Naughton) is settled in Melbourne. He's got a property in Port Melbourne and he really would like to achieve a bit more next year as well. The whole club is really keen to make the finals. We'll wait and see what happens." – Riley Beveridge

 

[_Cerberus_]

Cannot stress how important the next four drafts are. We have a severely compromised draft this year, on the back of us having our draft hands compromised in back to back seasons in 2020-2021, plus the likelihood of a couple of years of compromised in 2027-2028 for TAS. We cannot afford to dilute our draft hands, or miss on our picks at all during this window. Otherwise we may be keeping the bottom rungs of the ladder warm for a few years.

If that means passing on some Father Son picks, stiff s**t. Unless they are elite first round quality. A couple of make or break years ahead for us. Includes coaching and off field staff as well. Macrae, Libba, Treloar don't have more than two years left in their legs, then it is Bont on his own.

 

[adogsfan5]

Twomey reckons north are going for pick 1. Might get them away from pick 4. Fingers crossed.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

HS running with the ideal of Lobb for Grundy salary swap

If English is open to a forward role next year now that he has actually ruck support

I'm all for it

It's a weird article though - it spends a long time talking about how Lobb was a bad trade for us because we are set for talls, and then suggests we swap Lobb for Grundy? Doesn't make sense