List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Keys]

Imagine if Norf finished last?

They wouldn’t have received all of those priority picks - 1, possibly 2 but not 3

Would have got 2 for McKay though, meaning we’d have pick 3

 

[the big lebowski]

Darling straight swap for Schwass

Who says no?

Schwatta?

 

[MerryHell]

Our reported asking price of 2 and 3 for 1 is massive overs in normal circumstances and imo unlikely to be offered. I doubt we’d knock it back

I think we asked for picks 2 and 3 knowing full well norf won't pony up for it, so we can JTR

 

[Spook]

So the Ultimate question is: what is the difference between pick 1 and pick 3? Would you prefer 3 quality players say from Curtn/Hardman/Edwards/Hall or just 1? Let's remember that Judd was pick 3. Note I am on your board as a passionate Black Swan West Aussie who likes to see West Aussies get drafted.

Considering where you are atm; a single player or two in Reid and Curtin is not enough for that, you need a group to come through together.

So I believe that West Coast and North should do a deal: North swap picks 3, 15 & 18 for pick 1 and 62. So North pays a premium of 1,121 points for Harley Reid, equivalent to pick 14, which I believe is viable. Likewise, you pick up pick 17, 18, and Curtin for Reid.

Obviously, there will always be exceptions who become legends; Wirrapunda Judd and Hurn, Pavlich, Mundy, and Waterhouse )jokes) but almost all other West Coast legends and champions are West Aussies.

If you pick swap, you can potentially get all four 2023 WA under 18 All Australians, and Edwards, Hardman, and Collard. No competition from Freo this year as they come in at pick 43. If they lose Schultz to Collingwood and get let's say pick 33, you may miss out on Collard or Sanchez. But Aiden O’Driscoll, who is testing outstanding at the combine, and Zane Zakostelsky would still likely be available. That is 7 top 40 picks of that quality in 1 draft. No go home risk, best KPP in the draft,

How does this look?

• P3 Daniel Curtin key back U18AA (6 Cal Twomeys projection)​
• P15 Riley Hardman Def/mid U18AA (17)​
• P18 K Tholstrup Mid (19)​
• P22 Mitch Edwards Ruck (27) injured​
• P36 Koen Sanchez Fwd/mid U18AA (37)​
• P43 Clay Hall Wing/Mid U18AA (39)​
• P57 NGA Collard (24) Freak Skilled fwd - NGA so you may have to use some 2024 points to bid.​

That’s Seven potential guns in. They are a step up to your current youth like Culley, Barnett, Burgiel, Maric, Chesser. Jamieson.

Similar to the magnificent 7 in 1985 (John Worsfold, Chris Waterman, Peter Sumich, Guy McKenna, Chris Lewis, Paul Peos and Scott Watters) that led to your 92 94 flags and established you as the second-best club of the AFL era (behind Hawthorn

Are you guys split on this?

 

[Monocle]

Imagine if Norf finished last?

Whilst that’s a good question, it’s not the point, which is …. it’s what he told them.

But for what it’s worth, I have seen him play the midfield role well at Colts …. but the more pertinent question “IS” - can he do so at the highest level.

That’s the tricky part of drafting as you are drafting kids on raw potential, and trying to project how that will translate at the next level.

Some times you hit a home run: Gov.
Some time you draw a blank: Brander.

That’s the vagaries of projecting how talent will translate at the next level.

 

[bzparkes]

So the Ultimate question is: what is the difference between pick 1 and pick 3? Would you prefer 3 quality players say from Curtn/Hardman/Edwards/Hall or just 1? Let's remember that Judd was pick 3. Note I am on your board as a passionate Black Swan West Aussie who likes to see West Aussies get drafted.

Considering where you are atm; a single player or two in Reid and Curtin is not enough for that, you need a group to come through together.

So I believe that West Coast and North should do a deal: North swap picks 3, 15 & 18 for pick 1 and 62. So North pays a premium of 1,121 points for Harley Reid, equivalent to pick 14, which I believe is viable. Likewise, you pick up pick 17, 18, and Curtin for Reid.

Obviously, there will always be exceptions who become legends; Wirrapunda Judd and Hurn, Pavlich, Mundy, and Waterhouse )jokes) but almost all other West Coast legends and champions are West Aussies.

If you pick swap, you can potentially get all four 2023 WA under 18 All Australians, and Edwards, Hardman, and Collard. No competition from Freo this year as they come in at pick 43. If they lose Schultz to Collingwood and get let's say pick 33, you may miss out on Collard or Sanchez. But Aiden O’Driscoll, who is testing outstanding at the combine, and Zane Zakostelsky would still likely be available. That is 7 top 40 picks of that quality in 1 draft. No go home risk, best KPP in the draft,

How does this look?

• P3 Daniel Curtin key back U18AA (6 Cal Twomeys projection)​
• P15 Riley Hardman Def/mid U18AA (17)​
• P18 K Tholstrup Mid (19)​
• P22 Mitch Edwards Ruck (27) injured​
• P36 Koen Sanchez Fwd/mid U18AA (37)​
• P43 Clay Hall Wing/Mid U18AA (39)​
• P57 NGA Collard (24) Freak Skilled fwd - NGA so you may have to use some 2024 points to bid.​

That’s Seven potential guns in. They are a step up to your current youth like Culley, Barnett, Burgiel, Maric, Chesser. Jamieson.

Similar to the magnificent 7 in 1985 (John Worsfold, Chris Waterman, Peter Sumich, Guy McKenna, Chris Lewis, Paul Peos and Scott Watters) that led to your 92 94 flags and established you as the second-best club of the AFL era (behind Hawthorn

Are you guys split on this?

That looks terrible.

Appreciate the effort but why do people think WCE are obsessed with WA talent?

Tholstrup ain't a FT mid.

Edwards, after we just got Barnett last year and picked up Flynn?

Curtin doesn't see himself as a key back, he wants to play mid and he isn't as good as Reid or McKercher at it currently.

 

[MerryHell]

So the Ultimate question is: what is the difference between pick 1 and pick 3? Would you prefer 3 quality players say from Curtn/Hardman/Edwards/Hall or just 1? Let's remember that Judd was pick 3.

Considering where you are atm; a single player or two in Reid and Curtin is not enough for that, you need a group to come through together.

So I believe that West Coast and North should do a deal: North swap picks 3, 15 & 18 for pick 1 and 62. So North pays a premium of 1,121 points for Harley Reid, equivalent to pick 14, which I believe is viable. Likewise, you pick up pick 17, 18, and Curtin for Reid.

Obviously, there will always be exceptions who become legends; Wirrapunda Judd and Hurn, Pavlich, Mundy, and Waterhouse )jokes) but almost all other West Coast legends and champions are West Aussies.

If you pick swap, you can potentially get all four 2023 WA under 18 All Australians, and Edwards, Hardman, and Collard. No competition from Freo this year as they come in at pick 43. If they lose Schultz to Collingwood and get let's say pick 33, you may miss out on Collard or Sanchez. But Aiden O’Driscoll, who is testing outstanding at the combine, and Zane Zakostelsky would still likely be available. That is 7 top 40 picks of that quality in 1 draft. No go home risk, best KPP in the draft,

How does this look?

• P3 Daniel Curtin key back U18AA (6 Cal Twomeys projection)​
• P15 Riley Hardman Def/mid U18AA (17)​
• P18 K Tholstrup Mid (19)​
• P22 Mitch Edwards Ruck (27) injured​
• P36 Koen Sanchez Fwd/mid U18AA (37)​
• P43 Clay Hall Wing/Mid U18AA (39)​
• P57 NGA Collard (24) Freak Skilled fwd - NGA so you may have to use some 2024 points to bid.​

That’s Seven potential guns in. They are a step up to your current youth like Culley, Barnett, Burgiel, Maric, Chesser. Jamieson.

Similar to the magnificent 7 in 1985 (John Worsfold, Chris Waterman, Peter Sumich, Guy McKenna, Chris Lewis, Paul Peos and Scott Watters) that led to your 92 94 flags and established you as the second-best club of the AFL era (behind Hawthorn

Are you guys split on this?

Why on earth would we trade pick 1 for anything other than pick 2 plus others? Here norf have some more charity...

And coming from you, would you have traded out Hodge?

What's worse. Trading out Hodge, or getting not the best player of the draft??

 

[bzparkes]

Why on earth would we trade pick 1 for anything other than pick 2 plus others? Here norf have some more charity...

And coming from you, would you have traded out Hodge?

What's worse. Trading out Hodge, or getting not the best player of the draft??

Well, in that scenario we end up with pick 3, which would've = Judd.

But there's no equivalent in this draft.

 

[Spoon_Man]

Over the last 2 years, we've already got a "group" coming through: Culley, Ginbey, Long, Hewitt, Burgiel, Maric. Add Reid and say ZZ and that's a pretty good "group".

 

[eaglespremiers]

O'Brien dismissing Rawlings attempts to suggest North have the upper hand in negotiations for pick 1:

 

[eaglespremiers]

I know longer portions of the interview have been posted but here's a shorter excerpt of Harley specifically discussing going to West Coast (which FYI was basically what he said to me directly two weeks ago and was poo poo'ed at by North supporters on here):

 

[archiemoses]

Take Reid and trade picks on draft night when Curtin falls

 

[twce13]

God damn I wish there was a vomit emoji choice for all these lovely suggestions from oppo fans.

Really hope we don't deal with norf.. such a pathetic club hope they draft all flops.

Still think afl are the biggest flogs of all tho.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

So I believe that West Coast and North should do a deal: North swap picks 3, 15 & 18 for pick 1 and 62.
How does this look?

 

[MerryHell]

Well, in that scenario we end up with pick 3, which would've = Judd.

But there's no equivalent in this draft.

My point is, given norf have 2 and 3, we would demand 2. Letting them keep 2 is ridiculous. In any case, JTR.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Just because comedian Cal Wilson (RIP) passed away today does not mean you immediately have to audition as her replacement.

Good sort, she toured alot with my mate.

 

[bzparkes]

My point is, given norf have 2 and 3, we would demand 2. Letting them keep 2 is ridiculous. In any case, JTR.

Oh for sure.

 

[Jupes]

thinking we just take reid

 

[Jupes]

can anyone explain the norf board obsession with darling? it is truly baffling.

 

[Monocle]

It’s actually quite reassuring to read the opposition clowns posts, when they come on to our board and try to convince us that, it would be a good idea to trade pick one to their Club for a poor or mediocre offer.

Because it just serves to remind us and reinforce, just what an awesome talent “The Motor Bike” is ….( lol a nickname Chopper Reid … ok, ok …a bit lame, apologies).

When teams are raiding their cookie jar ( or in north’s case offering the begged proceeds from the AFL’s cookie jar. ) to come up with the draft coin to buy the pick that lands - Harley Reid.

You know that he must be an absolute jet, otherwise why would the other Clubs be willing to sell their souls to land the messiah.

Best slam dunk #1 pick to come out of a region that has a post code that starts with a 3 …….. AND… *it, he lands at the most successful non Victorian Team ….. gee they are really starting to despise us.

Sort of like coveting your neighbours wife.

Opps …… sorry, best not go there particularly not for Hawthorn, as it might trigger ghosts of girlfriends past, for some
of their officials.

 

[eagles rule]

I am happy

2 and F1 would get it down though

Imo

Pick 2+3 +F1 and Sheezle is what WCE are waiting to be offered ..

 

[MerryHell]

thinking we just take reid

I'll raise you these highlights

 

[Mulldogg]

The thing we need to be mindful of in this whole pick 1 debacle is that if we do bow to the media pressure and split the pick, and take Curtin with say pick 2, then it goes a way to feeding into the “West Coast favour WA talent” garbage spouted by the Vic media.

In the future we’ll be letting gun Victorian kids in particular dictate terms to an extent by putting rumours out through flogs like McClure that they’re not keen on moving from Victoria.

ROB really needs to stick to his guns that saw us take Chesser, Culley and Maric and just take Reid…

 

[Dylan82]

So your saying AFL won't give us access to collard under NGA bidding unless we trade pick 1 to norf ?

Sounds about right

No changes to any NGA or Academy bidding are happening this year.

We'll receive no additional favours for Collard.


Plenty of crazy rumours doing the rounds however, particularly regarding the lever being pulled over West Coast being the soft cap.

I.e. if pick 1 gets to North, moves may be made to expand the soft cap for those teams that travel more during the season.

 

[ep2018]

So the Ultimate question is: what is the difference between pick 1 and pick 3? Would you prefer 3 quality players say from Curtn/Hardman/Edwards/Hall or just 1? Let's remember that Judd was pick 3. Note I am on your board as a passionate Black Swan West Aussie who likes to see West Aussies get drafted.

Considering where you are atm; a single player or two in Reid and Curtin is not enough for that, you need a group to come through together.

So I believe that West Coast and North should do a deal: North swap picks 3, 15 & 18 for pick 1 and 62. So North pays a premium of 1,121 points for Harley Reid, equivalent to pick 14, which I believe is viable. Likewise, you pick up pick 17, 18, and Curtin for Reid.

Obviously, there will always be exceptions who become legends; Wirrapunda Judd and Hurn, Pavlich, Mundy, and Waterhouse )jokes) but almost all other West Coast legends and champions are West Aussies.

If you pick swap, you can potentially get all four 2023 WA under 18 All Australians, and Edwards, Hardman, and Collard. No competition from Freo this year as they come in at pick 43. If they lose Schultz to Collingwood and get let's say pick 33, you may miss out on Collard or Sanchez. But Aiden O’Driscoll, who is testing outstanding at the combine, and Zane Zakostelsky would still likely be available. That is 7 top 40 picks of that quality in 1 draft. No go home risk, best KPP in the draft,

How does this look?

• P3 Daniel Curtin key back U18AA (6 Cal Twomeys projection)​
• P15 Riley Hardman Def/mid U18AA (17)​
• P18 K Tholstrup Mid (19)​
• P22 Mitch Edwards Ruck (27) injured​
• P36 Koen Sanchez Fwd/mid U18AA (37)​
• P43 Clay Hall Wing/Mid U18AA (39)​
• P57 NGA Collard (24) Freak Skilled fwd - NGA so you may have to use some 2024 points to bid.​

That’s Seven potential guns in. They are a step up to your current youth like Culley, Barnett, Burgiel, Maric, Chesser. Jamieson.

Similar to the magnificent 7 in 1985 (John Worsfold, Chris Waterman, Peter Sumich, Guy McKenna, Chris Lewis, Paul Peos and Scott Watters) that led to your 92 94 flags and established you as the second-best club of the AFL era (behind Hawthorn

Are you guys split on this?

If the club sees the total sum of value of those picks higher than just picking Reid I can see us accepting it. Although I suspect it'll be pick 2 instead of pick 3. If North can get Geelong's first rounder it would be ideal, 2 + 8 + 15 or 18.

I rather just take Reid tho, you build a team around a bloke like that.