List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Spook]

West Coast have upside, it’s just a few years away.

Loading up on a heap of draftees in this draft, isn’t going to move the needle in the next 3 years.

Even if they are 3 top 10 picks from this years draft.

You don’t win with kids in this league. North and Gold Coast have shown us that over the last 5 years.

Yes agreed, when I said accelerate I didn’t mean win flags, I meant accelerate getting out of the position they are currently. they Don’t want to be like north have been for years thinking picks 1 will solve problems. And reality at the moment is they are worse than North.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

North didn't expect us to accept their offer. They are testing the waters. This is what negotiation is and why it is a skill. You are trying to guess and gauge your opponents mindset, minimum acceptable levels and decision tree without giving away your own. North are trying to do two things.

The first is to gauge whether their operating thesis that we are going to split the pick for whatever the best offer is at the end of the day. So they keep the conversation going with a series of rubbish offers. If we sit there and listen to these offers and negotiate with them, as opposed to walk away from the table, that confirms their theory that we are very kean to trade. We wouldn't still be having the conversation with them after a series of time wasting rubbish offers if we weren't.

The second is, assuming their thesis that we are desperate to trade down still appears true, is to try and gauge what the ballpark of the minimum offer that we would accept at the end of the process/negotiating period (assuming it is the best offer we get). They make rubbish offers and watch our responses and see how they change over time. See if any softness in our words, tone and body language creep in showing signs of resignation to a crappy deal appear. See if there is a change in how long we spend debating these crappy offers with them. If at the beginning of the period we just started laughing and walked out but then by the end of the week weren't walking out when a rubbish offer was made but stayed there debating and arguing with them then that change in behaviour would be noted and taken as a sign that our idea of a minimum acceptable offer had changed.

The good news is that the fact that North are still spending their time and energy making rubbish offers to us to try and gauge and measure us is a sign that they really want pick 1 and Reid, as much as they are trying to pretend that they are indifferent about it.

We won't get 2 and 3. Not given the uncertainty around Reid's willingness to stay here. We might get one of 2 or 3 plus another top 10 pick. I see that as the best case scenario.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

It seems like many west coast supporters think you just had a couple of years on injuries and get Reid in and we’ll be back playing finals in a couple of years.

I think you're putting words in our mouths a bit here. We know that Reid isn't an instant tonic to success, but he'd be a big part of the rebuild and the type of player to really instill belief in those around him. We've already made a decent start of building a cache of young players and naturally that will continue for the next 3 odd seasons minimum.

You're more than welcome here btw. (But I'd delete/edit the snowflake response above as the mods may not view it favourably)

 

[Kegs15]

So you think the go home factor is not a significant factor these days? Jackson, Rankin, Henry, Bruhn, Yeo, Kelly, Horne Francis, Schultz, Brockman….

There's a lot of things we don't get right but player retention has always been a strong suit of ours. And if it doesn't work out like that, we all know how much value we got out of Judd and the subsequent trade.

Think Geelong would be pretty happy with the value they got out of Kelly given what they spent to get him also.

You back yourself in to pick the best players no matter where they're from, you back yourself in to retain players, and you back yourself in to get value if they leave. Can't handicap yourself with 'what ifs', and our first rounders before last year have pretty much all been from interstate for ages now, the club is happy to pick whoever.

Judd didn’t make you a powerful team for an extended period, he was the cream on the solid foundation cake you already had in Gardiner, Cousins, Wirra, Braun, Glass, Embley, Read, Kerr, Cox and then you traded 8 for Chick.

Phil Read?

 

[briztoon]

Yes agreed, when I said accelerate I didn’t mean win flags, I meant accelerate getting out of the position they are currently. they Don’t want to be like north have been for years thinking picks 1 will solve problems. And reality at the moment is they are worse than North.

The only way any team accelerates a rebuild from scratch is to trade in a heap of top end, mature talent, after they have loaded up on top end draftees.

West Coast are much better off drafting Reid this year and O’Sullivan next year, plus what ever kids they get with later picks.

Then look to hit the trade market in 2025.

They should definitely be shopping in the free agent market from next year, when they have a shed load of salary cap available as well.

The only criticism I currently have of West Coast, is that they didn’t manage to trade up in to the late 1st round of this year’s draft while Gold Coast was shopping for points, while keeping pick 1 and their first and second round picks for next year.

 

[MrWoollie]

We won't get 2 and 3. Not given the uncertainty around Reid's willingness to stay here. We might get one of 2 or 3 plus another top 10 pick. I see that as the best case scenario.

I tend to agree but as things stand we are in the win-win zone.
Either they blink and DO offer 2 and 3, or we stick and get Reid.

 

[Spook]

There's a lot of things we don't get right but player retention has always been a strong suit of ours. And if it doesn't work out like that, we all know how much value we got out of Judd and the subsequent trade.

Think Geelong would be pretty happy with the value they got out of Kelly given what they spent to get him also.

You back yourself in to pick the best players no matter where they're from, you back yourself in to retain players, and you back yourself in to get value if they leave. Can't handicap yourself with 'what ifs', and our first rounders before last year have pretty much all been from interstate for ages now, the club is happy to pick whoever.



Phil Read?

Yep fair points, I agree that West Coast has always been the best or at least one of the best run clubs regarding retention amongst other things. But you haven’t been in this position before. I don’t think there is a recognition of how far you’ve slipped, how bad the current list is and what is required to get out of it. It’s been proven that pick one don’t set you up for sustained success, building a base and then adding the icing does. I just think you have an opportunity to use the AFL and Norths hand outs to your advantage and get in a group of 7 players who have come through rep footy together to be the nucleus.
Meant to say Fletcher not Read, my bad.

 

[ROO DOGG]

God damn I wish there was a vomit emoji choice for all these lovely suggestions from oppo fans.

Really hope we don't deal with norf.. such a pathetic club hope they draft all flops.

Still think afl are the biggest flogs of all tho.

You mean like this

 

[Art OF war]

North will offer 2 & 3. After WC has rebuffed their ludicrous offers and draft day draws inevitably closer, they’ll sit back and look at all their picks in a very shallow draft and ask themselves, what are we doing here? There is one standout player in the draft and we (North) have 2 very good picks. Do we want to add 2 very nice players or is it time to put the star on the Xmas tree?

At that point they’ll do whatever to get Reid secured, we’ll end up getting 2,3 & 16 - which North will end up telling everyone it’s really 3,4 and 20+.

If it comes to that and WC still JTR, I’ll be extremely happy as Reid is a game winner in 2-3 years time and will give supporters a decade+ of enjoyment. WC Xmas tree could definitely use another star alongside Allen and possibly Hewitt…..

 

[ThePuma #9]

I suspect our best offer would be

Pick 2, Pick 8 & some steakknives

We don’t need steakknives.

We have Harley “Wagyu A5” Reid.

If you want to go out fine dining and intend to count your pennies it might be best to head to McDonald’s instead for a value meal.

 

[ThePuma #9]

“I come in peace”

I think 2 plus F1 makes sense for all parties.

You want more, we have potentially given up pick 2 and 1 for 1. But you can’t say it’s not a lot.

You throw in Darling, we shake hands. And walk away.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man

 

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[Schtinker]

But when you are camped in the boonies and are in a hurry to get to the Grand Final Hotel….

Taking a Ferrari camping is fraught with danger. Ground clearance would see you take out your sump before you got a click into a gravel road.

 

[ziad]

West Coast have upside, it’s just a few years away.

Loading up on a heap of draftees in this draft, isn’t going to move the needle in the next 3 years.

Even if they are 3 top 10 picks from this years draft.

You don’t win with kids in this league. North and Gold Coast have shown us that over the last 5 years.

WC play a long game, quick gratification (6-12 on the ladder) isn't required to survive. It's not a minset many club can afford.

 

[Goroyals22]

Nothing like waking up to hear Kornes going on about the eagles again and the best and fairest being a minefield…
Believes we would be negligent to pick Reid and referring to us being a basket case… again

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Let's face it, we're West Coast - we don't need marquee recruits to put bums on seats. Still got healthy crowds in a year where we were regularly pumped by big margins.

Don't underestimate the $$$ nicnat gave our club. Every club wishes they had a nicnat. Finding another one this quick will be part of the lure to draft him.

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[Free Agent]

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[Wooshaaaa]

We were a basket case on and off the field at the time, and there was some significant bullying of younger players on our list by another slightly older player back then.

That was the main factor in the Go Home 5. And wasn’t addressed until Fagan arrived at the club.

Don't forget the player that was rammed up against the wall by the throat by the then head coach at the end of a game!!

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[Obeanie1]

West Coast have upside, it’s just a few years away.

Loading up on a heap of draftees in this draft, isn’t going to move the needle in the next 3 years.

Even if they are 3 top 10 picks from this years draft.

You don’t win with kids in this league. North and Gold Coast have shown us that over the last 5 years.

You dont improve without kids.

But yes you need to retain and add experience.

The problem is these compromised drafts are being stripped of quality youth.

And it isnt easy attracting quality experience to relocate West. Much easier on the East Coast.

So between the AFL propping up teams inthe East chasi g TV ratings and the natural dissadvantage of being based in Perth this rebuild will be the hardest in our history.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Going by today's trades, clubs really do not rate the value of this draft beyond that 10-12 range.

Melbourne giving away two second rounders for a 3 pick upgrade from 14 to 11 says it all.


Only adds to the growing list of reasons to not split pick 1.

Yet pick 14 + burgess went for 23 + 26 ?

That is the drop off point right there !

14 which will be 18 is not valued anywhere near that high.

Norf will need to package all of those picks 15 17 18 for Geelong pick 8 and Geelong still might get a better offer

 

[dajesmac]

I had a play around with a mock today and had six bids within our first and second picks (3 x GC plus Croft, McCabe and potentially Cleary). What was once pick 19 became 29. Me sad.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Yes agreed, when I said accelerate I didn’t mean win flags, I meant accelerate getting out of the position they are currently. they Don’t want to be like north have been for years thinking picks 1 will solve problems. And reality at the moment is they are worse than North.

We spend as long at the bottom as we need to get the rebuild right .

Its getting harder to rebuild through the draft with the compromised nature of the academy and compo picks .

Our 2nd rounder this year looks like being pick 29

I'm happily in the just take Reid camp .

We will have bought in 15 rookies in the last 3 years after this trade period

 

[Obeanie1]

Yes agreed. It was the factor in that case. West coast only winning 5 of their last 50 odd games and having the one of the lowest percentages in AFL history, not even sure if they want their coach or not with no obvious upside may be a factor as well.

You know whats annoying.

Its Hawthorn flogs who come on here trolling and our mods shrug and we have a chuckle.

Post something like you have on the Hawks board and Strapping Young Loser bans people for posting facts that he doesnt like reading.

Double standandards dont stop at AFL House.

 

[pantskyle]

That’s cause when Curtin meet with “The Beggars” he told them he wants to play midfield in the AFL.

And that comment, my good friends, about where Curtin wants to play in the AFL is true and exactly what Daniel told the “Tin Rattlers”.

Wink wink.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Nothing like waking up to hear Kornes going on about the eagles again and the best and fairest being a minefield…
Believes we would be negligent to pick Reid and referring to us being a basket case… again

He has been so b#tt hurt over ratagolea this morning even making a whole segment about players over rated when leaving for trade .

He is not even hiding his saltiness.

Salty corn just how I like it