List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Happy Mastenator]

How's that working out for them?

 

[Big_Birdy]

On pick 1 he caveated regarding if we were settled with a comment on awaiting medicals didnt he?

I mean, Reid didn’t test due to an injury.

 

[sey666]

Did ROB have a curtain call or a Curtin call at the end of the interview?

 

[Bender_]

Can we get something like a 'reaction video' to ROB's interview from Dark Sharks & birtzoon and they break it down play by play with sound effects (like an old timey car horn etc) and emojis?

 

[Mattman93]

Eagles will absolutely trade pick 1 as long as we get McKercher guaranteed.

go on

 

[TerryFilk]

What he says in public may indeed differ to what he says in private..

I’m not disputing that, but I just want this to all be over tbh.

It’s clear as day North aren’t going to offer 2 and 3, in fact they haven’t even offered 2 or 3 apparently.

Just would’ve liked us to get Reid settled in as quickly as possible (mindset wise) and show him how committed we are to him.

 

[Bacchus]

Maybe hes playing poker. Make the world think we want Curtin

Next minute, Norf offer 2,3 & 15

Split 3 with Melbourne for 6 & 11 so they get Duursma

Go to draft with 2, 6, 11, 15, 23

Take McKercher, O'Sullivan, Murphy, Windsor, Collard

1 accumulator, 2 KPP, outside speed and 1 half forward.

Tell me you wouldn't be happy with that draft hand?

Your great draft hand is based on the assumption NM will trade 2, 3 & 15 for pick 1.

Most likely it will be 2 & 15 for 1.

Second assumption is Melbourne will trade 6 & 11 for 3. This is probably not likely either.

The chances of your proposed great hand occurring are based on two very shaky assumptions and therefore very low.

 

[TerryFilk]

Maybe hes playing poker. Make the world think we want Curtin

Next minute, Norf offer 2,3 & 15

Split 3 with Melbourne for 6 & 11 so they get Duursma

Go to draft with 2, 6, 11, 15, 23

Take McKercher, O'Sullivan, Murphy, Windsor, Collard

1 accumulator, 2 KPP, outside speed and 1 half forward.

Tell me you wouldn't be happy with that draft hand?

North haven’t even offered 2 or 3 in any deal, they aren’t going to give us 2 and 3 never mind something on top of that.

 

[twce13]

even if we havent locked on a player, for optics point of view and strengthening our bargaining position wouldnt it make more sense to say we absolutely have locked in on a prospect.

ohwell at the end of the days these interviews have to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[ThePuma #9]

Eagles will absolutely trade pick 1 as long as we get McKercher guaranteed.

So you're basically saying as long North give up Pick 2 then it's a done deal. They can give us some extra late firsts and we walk away happy. Not McKercher AND Curtin. Just McKercher assured.

 

[chaddy22]

I'm actually kind of glad I've been banned from the trade pick 1 thread on the main draft board. Some of the stuff North supporters saying is making my blood boil.

That Freo mod on there did me a favour. I need to thank him for that.

i got a warning.seemed trivial.

 

[bzparkes]

I’m not disputing that, but I just want this to all be over tbh.

It’s clear as day North aren’t going to offer 2 and 3, in fact they haven’t even offered 2 or 3 apparently.

Just would’ve liked us to get Reid settled in as quickly as possible (mindset wise) and show him how committed we are to him.

And what if drafting him isn't ultimately what's best for team success?

I'm firmly in the JTR camp, however a team is more than just one player.

I mean, for all the talk about having a 'marquee' player puts bums on seats, nothing does that more than winning. People lose interest in watching one great player when the team they play for completely blows.

Then there's the fact that his fitness is average/below average, although he seemed fine in the VFL games I watched.

Committing to one player this far out from the draft isn't something any club would/should do.

If Rawlings was on the call, he'd probably say the same thing. You never know what offers may come closer to draft night, after all.

Imagine you commit to a kid, then a club comes in with an insane offer you can't turn down? Going to ignore it because you told an unproved 18yo you were going to pick them?

 

[Rooboy1708]

And what if drafting him isn't ultimately what's best for team success?

I'm firmly in the JTR camp, however a team is more than just one player.

I mean, for all the talk about having a 'marquee' player puts bums on seats, nothing does that more than winning. People lose interest in watching one great player when the team they play for completely blows.

Then there's the fact that his fitness is average/below average, although he seemed fine in the VFL games I watched.

Committing to one player this far out from the draft isn't something any club would/should do.

If Rawlings was on the call, he'd probably say the same thing. You never know what offers may come closer to draft night, after all.

Imagine you commit to a kid, then a club comes in with an insane offer you can't turn down? Going to ignore it because you told an unproved 18yo you were going to pick them?

As an opposition supporter I agree with this. No use in declaring your hand too early

 

[TerryFilk]

And what if drafting him isn't ultimately what's best for team success?

I'm firmly in the JTR camp, however a team is more than just one player.

I mean, for all the talk about having a 'marquee' player puts bums on seats, nothing does that more than winning. People lose interest in watching one great player when the team they play for completely blows.

Then there's the fact that his fitness is average/below average, although he seemed fine in the VFL games I watched.

Committing to one player this far out from the draft isn't something any club would/should do.

If Rawlings was on the call, he'd probably say the same thing. You never know what offers may come closer to draft night, after all.

Imagine you commit to a kid, then a club comes in with an insane offer you can't turn down? Going to ignore it because you told an unproved 18yo you were going to pick them?

The insane offer isn’t coming though, only North have the capital to give us one and they aren’t serious about it. They offered us 4 junk picks, they’ve made it abundantly clear they won’t part with 2 and 3 or their future 1st.

I’m just saying everyone should be prepared for a 2, 15 and 18 type offer potentially being accepted and us being dumb enough to grab Curtin at 2.

 

[Tugga27]

Eagles will absolutely trade pick 1 as long as we get McKercher guaranteed.

So pick 2 and what else?

 

[WCE_Phill]

Your great draft hand is based on the assumption NM will trade 2, 3 & 15 for pick 1.

Most likely it will be 2 & 15 for 1.

Second assumption is Melbourne will trade 6 & 11 for 3. This is probably not likely either.

The chances of your proposed great hand occurring are based on two very shaky assumptions and therefore very low.

It was a hypotechincal and maybe the long game ROB is playing

We've rejected 4, F1 and Brockman for pick 1

Fair to say, we're chasing 2 top 5 picks

So if pick 1 is traded, its going to take NM 2 and 3 along with a sweetener

 

[Keys]

Nothing interview from O’Brien but that’s on the hosts

Could have asked if we were happy with our draft hand, with or without pick 1, and if we might use future picks to to improve it

Could have asked about players other than Curtin, especially after he claimed we hadn’t settled on pick 1

Could have asked if there was any interest from clubs in any of our senior players

Now be probably would’ve given the same non-commital answers to those questions as he did the ones he was asked, but at least ask something different

As for his ambivalence around pick 1 his answers in a live radio interview have next to no difference on what we get offered. Clubs will offer what they think will sway us and we can say yes or no to those offers

As to what will sway us, that’s for the club to know and the others to find out. For now, they need to know there’s a chance

All it confirms is the trade pick 1 discussion will be with us until draft night

 

[plays tall 1]

Eagles will absolutely trade pick 1 as long as we get McKercher guaranteed.

This is a worry. Despite McKercher’s stated view that he’d like to be a one club player, I think he’s a much bigger flight risk than Reid because:
1. the AFL are likely to do all they can tofacilitate the Tassie team recruiting players from other clubs (because integrity’s of no concern);
2. McKercher looks likely to be one of the Tassie team’s main targets (if not their main target);
3. Being a start-up team the Tassie team are likely to have a huge war chest to spend on recruitment (which will ensure that even if we retain him we’ll pay an enormous amount to do so; and
4. The compensation for losing McKercher is likely to be much less than for Reid (because at least with Reid we’ll likely have market forces to drive the price up).

I realise that McKercher has said he’d like to think he’ll be a one club player, but he can’t foresee the opportunities and inducements that lie ahead.

 

[pantskyle]

go on

So you're basically saying as long North give up Pick 2 then it's a done deal. They can give us some extra late firsts and we walk away happy. Not McKercher AND Curtin. Just McKercher assured.

Look I didn't want to original say anything publicly but what Reid is saying publicly may not be what he has told at the very least one Victorian club. If we take Reid I'm not really concerned he'll leave in a few years because I do think he means what he says about being loyal to whomever takes him. But it certainly gives a Vic team a passage to trade for pick 1.

Eagles sneak in a Tassie visit to see McKercher, rate him as the best mid in the draft and regardless of the potential new Tassie team he has no go home concerns. So maybe they see the idea of getting 2 and a few more top 20 picks as a good enough deal. McKercher could very well become the best player from this draft.

 

[illegaleagle]

Curtain now 197cm even less likely to be a midfielder and shouldn't really be on our radar with a top 5 pick, however eagles do like claremont private school boys

 

[eaglevision]

This is a worry. Despite McKercher’s stated view that he’d like to be a one club player, I think he’s a much bigger flight risk than Reid because:
1. the AFL are likely to do all they can tofacilitate the Tassie team recruiting players from other clubs (because integrity’s of no concern);
2. McKercher looks likely to be one of the Tassie team’s main targets (if not their main target);
3. Being a start-up team the Tassie team are likely to have a huge war chest to spend on recruitment (which will ensure that even if we retain him we’ll pay an enormous amount to do so; and
4. The compensation for losing McKercher is likely to be much less than for Reid (because at least with Reid we’ll likely have market forces to drive the price up).

I realise that McKercher has said he’d like to think he’ll be a one club player, but he can’t foresee the opportunities and inducements that lie ahead.

McKercher also said how much he loves living in Melbourne, absolutely agree we are more likely to lose him than Reid in 3-4 years.

 

[BG__]

even if we havent locked on a player, for optics point of view and strengthening our bargaining position wouldnt it make more sense to say we absolutely have locked in on a prospect.

ohwell at the end of the days these interviews have to be taken with a grain of salt.

Yeah I think that’s the issue I had with it, it just felt like we weakened our position a bit for any huge offers. If I’m another team I wouldn’t be offering the farm to eagles right now for pick 1, he made it sound much more gettable than it should be

 

[ziad]

So pick 2 and what else?

The cunning plan to swap Pick 1 for Pick 2. Is this AI at work, of just BF?

 

[random260]

I choose to believe in Gossage.

But I have to say. There's only so many combos you can present a new offer with your existing hand.

That I think once Wednesday is over I doubt we will trade Reid.

The idea that norf would hail Mary at the last second with a new offer is fantasy. In fact I'd say the offer has to be even higher on draft day.

I think melb are out of the equation by Wednesday if they haven't gotten anymore picks.

The points north can potentially offer us by Wednesday isn't changing until draft day. And yes that mean if they roll their late picks for Geelong pick the points are still relatively the same

 

[Bacchus]

That was almost a complete waste of time.

A very dry interview.

Said virtually nothing.

Main point - we’re open to trading offers until the last minute.

Said pick one is a great opportunity - for what?

Drafting a top end talent, or trading for two or three first round picks - he didn’t say.

Very poor questions - why didn’t they ask him about Harley Reid, instead of or as well as Daniel Curtin.