List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[the big lebowski]

If he blitzes the combine as I expect he will.

It's going to be a long queue and some jostling, to get into pol position to take ZZ Top

Seems like an even, or maybe tricky draft, but that your picking guys that are a good shot of making it into the 40’s, including some with really good upside.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Bazzo has two issues.

1. His disposal is average. Not terrible but just average for a KPD
2. He doesn't play taller than his height so will get monstered against 197-202cm talls

He is however an absolutely great kid who will give his absolute best to improve and has been through a lot. I expect to see him really come on in the second half of next year.

I would love to pair Murphy and Bazzo as our future KPD pillars

 

[eaglesnutcase]

How cam the football world keep producing flogs, man I thought it was bad with McClure, Ralph, Hutchinson but f$&k me Kornes takes the cake

I hope someone knocks him out

But that made sense!8yrs? Absolutely crazy!!

 

[Monocle]

Seems like an even, or maybe tricky draft, but that your picking guys that are a good shot of making it into the 40’s, including some with really good upside.

I think after the first 15-17 picks ( I include the F/S and Academy kids in that 15-17 ) that sort of pick themselves, then there is a real evenness through to 40's, maybe 35 ish and Clubs will be swayed by positional needs rather than their white boards.

 

[the big lebowski]

Eagles need the best contested and most competitive footballer In the draft and that is Harley. We could handle a suite of top end players that can as a trio cover that. Optus was 3/4 full and we were rubbish. It is full when we are in or around finals.

Norf need to sell hope and get the Docklands more than half full. You need him for membership, marketing and on field. You have assembled a very good midfield and I cannot see why you need McKercher, Curtin or Sanders. Your list is massively better with Reid, O’Sullivan and Murphy.

I want Harley. I will take a grandfather offer but that will feel like you are being screwed over but just grin and bear it as you will be better in the long run

Ironically, having been linked to him, he’s the last north need on needs. And also ironically, I think he’ll close to the best mid in the draft. Sam Mitchell with a bit more toe. Not slow, good endurance, doesn’t fumble, rarely turns it over, knows how to rack them up and kicks goals.

Mckercher and Curtin are clear needs for north position wise. One for elite running to round out the midfield, the other a versatile defender with pop off half back.

Having seen Ziebell, Cunnington, LDU, Phillips and Powell (and maybe Simpkin and Thomas), as first rounders without a tank, Reid the mid isn’t as positionally needed as the other two.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Geez I dunno about Basso. Yes as stated he was behind the eight ball from the start of the year and had some big things asked of him but he looked slow with average disposal. Worst of all his body language was abysmal. I suppose it’s a product of the space we were in. Him, HEdwards and Rotham all drop their chins on their chests when things go wrong.

 

[the big lebowski]

I think after the first 15-17 picks ( I include the F/S and Academy kids in that 15-17 ) that sort of pick themselves, then there is a real evenness through to 40's, maybe 35 ish and Clubs will be swayed by positional needs rather than their white boards.

Agreed but I also think 2-9 and 10-20 are even in their own tiers. As is 21-40.

1: Reid
2: Walter
3: Curtin, Mckercher, Sanders, Dursma, Watson, O’Sullivan, Read
4: Caddy, Wilson

 

[Monocle]

Ironically, having been linked to him, he’s the last north need on needs. And also ironically, I think he’ll close to the best mid in the draft. Sam Mitchell with a bit more toe. Not slow, good endurance, doesn’t fumble, rarely turns it over, knows how to rack them up and kicks goals.

Mckercher and Curtin are clear needs for north position wise. One for elite running to round out the midfield, the other a versatile defender with pop off half back.

Having seen Ziebell, Cunnington, LDU, Phillips and Powell (and maybe Simpkin and Thomas), as first rounders without a tank, Reid the mid isn’t as positionally needed as the other two.

Pretty good summation libo of what your Clubs needs.

BUT as ATG has said Reid is to sell the hope, the membership, after the JH-F debacle and four putrid years.

He ( Reid ) is positionally and football traits wise, the last thing you need to improve your list.

From a marketing stand point, however, he ticks all your Clubs needs boxes and then some.

 

[InTheWings]

I guess we'll find out his 2km trial at the Combine soon enough but Caleb Windsor is your pick of wingers in this draft.View attachment 1822220

In terms of key defenders you're looking at Morris (can play both ends), Schoenmakers and Zakostelsky at pick 20.

The problem is that by this pick Curtin, O'Sullivan, McCabe and Murphy are all almost certainly off the board.

In terms of small defenders Hardeman or Roberts may still be available.
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As for midfielders at about this selection, the best of the 2nd tier mids (being Wilson, Rogers, Windsor and Leake) will have already come off the board by pick 20.
So Charlie Edwards is likely the pick of the remaining mids.
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It is possible that De Mattia may still be available, although on the balance of probabilities it seems unlikely.
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Although George Stevens might be worth a look if you think his dominance with a big frame will translate to AFL level (while being noticeably slower outside of the contest).

Great photos. Trouble is these guys come from Victoria so we can't draft them 'cause they may all want to go home.

 

[UseR2006]

Pretty good summation libo of what your Clubs needs.

BUT as ATG has said Reid is to sell the hope, the membership, after the JH-F debacle and four putrid years.

He ( Reid ) is positionally and football traits wise, the last thing you need to improve your list.

From a marketing stand point, however, he ticks all your Clubs needs boxes and then some.

Though, you could argue with Larkey / Sheeze and Clarkson they have enough of the marketing pull already to a degree.
Reid would be more Cherry on top rather than a Nic Nat (drag the whole club forward) type.

ie. Not even Judd made carltank relevant when he got there. Getting wins breeds excitement around a club more than any single draftee.

 

[Monocle]

Geez I dunno about Basso. Yes as stated he was behind the eight ball from the start of the year and had some big things asked of him but he looked slow with average disposal. Worst of all his body language was abysmal. I suppose it’s a product of the space we were in. Him, HEdwards and Rotham all drop their chins on their chests when things go wrong.

Second year Kid comes back to the training track late with minimum preseason, due to extenuating circumstances .....and looks slow and disposal a bit off....... Mum dies tragically and has the world on his shoulders emotionally.... body language is a bit off as the side keeps getting thumped.

Well FMD who would have thought that.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

If North base their recruiting on marketing potential they're even more hopeless than I thought.

Nothing markets a club better than sustained success and premierships.

 

[the big lebowski]

From a marketing stand point, however, he ticks all your Clubs needs boxes and then some.

We ran out of jumpers with 6 on them in late December after JHF. Fat lot of good it did.

After the 4 terrible years id much rather look back on the 2023 draft and say wow we just set the club up for sustained success than worry about how good Harley Reid looks on a calendar. Winning will start to create hope. It’s the only way.

On a completely unrelated matter on the north board, some people made the comment that they couldn’t understand us going for Darling. My god he would actually be great for our team and help us win games next year, even if it’s only for a year or two.

We haven’t had 2 competent tall forwards play since Waite retired. Larkey would love darling alongside him. Hope it happens.

 

[MrKennedy17]

Looks like a good connection for Oliver at Crows.

Premiership Favs 2024 if Crows land him.

 

[Keys]

If the below is right we should find out Robertson’s intentions sometime tomorrow



Comments are from the Brisbane GM of football today

“We’re hoping to get an answer from ‘Dev’ either today or tomorrow,” Daly said on SEN Breakfast.

“We’ve been in constant contact with his management group over the last two or three days. Dev has been out and about for a couple of days, enjoying life (post the Grand Final defeat).

“Hopefully today when he’s a bit fresher and a bit more settled in the mind, he’ll come to a decision today or tomorrow.

“But we’re hoping he stays. He’s an important part of our team, he played 16 games this year so we’re hopeful that he stays with us.”

 

[eaglevision]

We ran out of jumpers with 6 on them in late December after JHF. Fat lot of good it did.

After the 4 terrible years id much rather look back on the 2023 draft and say wow we just set the club up for sustained success than worry about how good Harley Reid looks on a calendar. Winning will start to create hope. It’s the only way.

On a completely unrelated matter on the north board, some people made the comment that they couldn’t understand us going for Darling. My god he would actually be great for our team and help us win games next year, even if it’s only for a year or two.

We haven’t had 2 competent tall forwards play since Waite retired. Larkey would love darling alongside him. Hope it happens.

You speak a lot of sense but… Why on earth would Jack Darling leave a team for the only other team that is comparable in terms of shit results when:
1. He’ll become a 300 game premiership player
2. He’s on excellent coin for another 2 years
3. He’s in his home town
4. He’s just had another kid and both sides of the family live in Perth too
5. He has no sense of smell so he won’t be able to smell the bullshit coming out of Clarko’s mouth

Is this that spudnova bloke who said a deal had been done for Harley Reid 2 months ago giving you the mail?

 

[eaglevision]

If the below is right we should find out Robertson’s intentions sometime tomorrow



Comments are from the Brisbane GM of football today

They just wrapped up their B&F, if Dev was going to re-sign with the Lions I reckon they would have announced it then. My money is on Dev to be wearing the #10 in the royal blue and gold next year in exchange for a F3.

 

[the big lebowski]

You speak a lot of sense but… Why on earth would Jack Darling leave a team for the only other team that is comparable in terms of s**t results when:
1. He’ll become a 300 game premiership player
2. He’s on excellent coin for another 2 years
3. He’s in his home town
4. He’s just had another kid and both sides of the family live in Perth too
5. He has no sense of smell so he won’t be able to smell the bullshit coming out of Clarko’s mouth

Is this that spudnova bloke who said a deal had been done for Harley Reid 2 months ago giving you the mail?

I’m not disputing the strangeness of the hypothetical move, but it was mentioned on this board by someone else.

Maybe north are willing to add a year and increase his two existing ones. Maybe west coast are happy to encourage him out to get something and save some cap space. Maybe it’s all bullshit designed to increase bigfooty chatter.

As I said, I’d we could acquire his services without giving much away trade wise it would be great. I don’t see much upside from the eagles point of view. Like me with goldy, I’d rather club greats stay one club players.

 

[Matera92]

Geez I dunno about Basso. Yes as stated he was behind the eight ball from the start of the year and had some big things asked of him but he looked slow with average disposal. Worst of all his body language was abysmal. I suppose it’s a product of the space we were in. Him, HEdwards and Rotham all drop their chins on their chests when things go wrong.

Dudes lost both his parents at a very young age, was thrown to the wolves against some of the best Forwards in the comp in a team that was objectively one of the worst to ever take the field and you're potting him for not being a beacon of positive body language as a third year player?

He would have been well within his rights to take a mental health break from football but he came back and did his bit for the team.

Uppercut yourself.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I’m not disputing the strangeness of the hypothetical move, but it was mentioned on this board by someone else.

Maybe north are willing to add a year and increase his two existing ones. Maybe west coast are happy to encourage him out to get something and save some cap space. Maybe it’s all bullshit designed to increase bigfooty chatter.

As I said, I’d we could acquire his services without giving much away trade wise it would be great. I don’t see much upside from the eagles point of view. Like me with goldy, I’d rather club greats stay one club players.

With 2 years to run on a player who has been very durable, I’d want one of your many end of R1 picks. Probably next year.

Would you do that to give you a second KPF?

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Edwards can play under the high ball. Get a defender to complement him and we could be set defensively for talls post Gov & Barrass.

It could be Bazzo if he's able to physically add size without losing pace. His skills are pretty average, especially by foot so he'll need to be elite defensively.

Jamison is really nowhere in this discussion. He's older than Edwards and has not come on.

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There the same age weight and nearly same height Jamison was showing a little bit in defence but then Rob Wiley moved him into the forward line for the reserves

Edwards has 3 more years experience as a defender, his biggest weakness is he is slow he is also a very good field kick

Jamison isn't slow but lacks experience as a defender and kicking is hit and miss

 

[the big lebowski]

With 2 years to run on a player who has been very durable, I’d want one of your many end of R1 picks. Probably next year.

Would you do that to give you a second KPF?

To be fair it’s in the realms of possible but not only do I not make the call, I also have no idea what’s norths plans are. I was hoping for all first rounders to be used on kids at the draft this year.

In an ideal make believe world id hope we could get darling, fisher and stephens for f2, 40, and f3. That’s a tough ask given 2 of the 3 are contracted. F2 could be anything from 21-25 next year. That seems reasonable for a contracted darling at 31 after declining goals output. His best is very good as I saw two months back.

Seems too strange to be true anyway

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Feels to me like Zakostelsky will be this years Ed Allan

Virtually unknown to all but a few a couple of months ago before being noticed late and then blitzing the combine

With the pecking order from roughly 11-40 varying significantly it wouldn’t surprise that ZZ Top moves into the top 15 in phantom drafts with a bullet by the time the draft rolls around

Nah ZZ played well in the championship when down back, then dominated wafl colts back end of season
He is a player that has all the tools physically gifted has flair and a bit of Glen Jakovich about his game

He is one i think can turn into a very good AFL footballer

 

[archiemoses]

We also need to give Allen some support and darling is really the only mature bodied forward that can do that.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

he is also a very good field kick

Clueless.

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