List Mgmt. Trade & Draft UltraThread- Warning, May Contain Speculation #combinethethreads

[hungrytiger]

Hes a Rioli..He will do what all Riolis do.

 

[hungrytiger]

Well Jordan Clark has been re-signed for a further 2 seasons.

Maybe we can ship off Jake Waterman to Geelong and draft Alec Waterman just to keep the Waterman name at WCE

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Would love for Alec Waterman to find himself back on our list. Hoping for a good year from him.

 

[Coasters7]

Well Jordan Clark has been re-signed for a further 2 seasons.

Maybe we can ship off Jake Waterman to Geelong and draft Alec Waterman just to keep the Waterman name at WCE

Why did it have to be Geelong of all clubs that picked up Clark.. Kid is going to be a gun midfielder in a few years. Reckon he’ll follow a similar path to Yeo. Wells just has an obsession with West Aussies and is always one step ahead of us to grab the good ones

 

[hungrytiger]

Yes spewing. And we wont be able to rip them off like we did Brisbane with Yeo trying to get him home.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Uses ball well ? Rarely gets it, averages 10 disposals a game across career to date .Tackles ? Averages 2.5 per game in his career . Champ data ( I don't have access to ) will record pressure acts but low tackle stats suggest they wouldn't read too well . If someone has this data be nice to get real story .

Highly touted early draft picks always under scrutiny and performance will be somewhat measured against this . Expectations will always be greater .

Stats 2018 vs 2019 can't be compared as sample size 2019 is 2 matches . Allow him 7 or 8 matches and then this stats comparison much more valuable .

Hopefully the ordinary form for reserves vs Perth in WAFL was a one off and he will demand a recall thru compelling WAFL form soon







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Yes uses the ball well, not sure why there was a question mark after that, he has a very clean disposal. Career average stats are pretty much meaningless at this point, he's played a handful of games in between long injury layoffs. I'm aware the sample size this year is small, but they're an improvement on last years and I'm sure if he wasn't playing in the strongest, deepest team in the competition right now he'd probably still be getting games in the seniors, but he is so he will have to force his way back in via the wafl, which I have no doubt he will do. He has talent in spades and once he gets his tank to the required level I think he will prove himself a very handy player.

 

[FKASC]

Why did it have to be Geelong of all clubs that picked up Clark.. Kid is going to be a gun midfielder in a few years. Reckon he’ll follow a similar path to Yeo. Wells just has an obsession with West Aussies and is always one step ahead of us to grab the good ones

Well we finished higher than them on the ladder, so we didn’t have a choice. Freo would have taken Clark if Geelong didn’t

 

[LittleGreekGod]

Dropped + not making the cut .

Not finding ball let alone winning contested . Not hitting scoreboard

Invisible in GF , 4 touches nh memory no tackles
Sheppard is a bust
Duggan will never be best 22
Jetta cant find the footy and can’t tackle
Masten doesn’t get enough of the footy
Lycett is a log
Trade Darling
Redden needs to be delisted
Sheed was a wasted pick
Nick Nat will never play again
Rotham should be delisted
Ryan will always be in trouble
Vardy is too injury prone
Any of these comments sound familiar?
Funny how they are all wrong but we’re quoted many times on here
Now Venebles is the next target for the non believers
Funny how the list management people have been proved to be right and the fans wrong
Maybe we should all stick to what we are good at.

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[Eastern Rangers]

People not really defining their terms well. Does Venables know how to win the ball? absolutely the ball in front of him. Does he know how to track the play and accumulate? no, and that's not his natural game. Our midfielders do a lot of sharing around with backs, link up down the lines. It's the pointy end of the ground where possessions become valuable and hard to come by, that's the position Venables has been in.

At the moment Venners is being played in a role equivalent to the likes a Castagna, Caddy or even De Goey was in his first two years. Obviously, this is a bit of a simplification but he's there to lead up at the ball as a relief target, pressure when the ball spills on long kicks and push hard back to goals when our midfielders breakthrough and we have space in the forward line. He's not had the job of hunting his own football, nothing close to that yet.

 

[DanWCE]

People not really defining their terms well. Does Venables know how to win the ball? absolutely the ball in front of him. Does he know how to track the play and accumulate? no, and that's not his natural game. Our midfielders do a lot of sharing around with backs, link up down the lines. It's the pointy end of the ground where possessions become valuable and hard to come by, that's the position Venables has been in.

At the moment Venners is being played in a role equivalent to the likes a Castagna, Caddy or even De Goey was in his first two years. Obviously, this is a bit of a simplification but he's there to lead up at the ball as a relief target, pressure when the ball spills on long kicks and push hard back to goals when our midfielders breakthrough and we have space in the forward line. He's not had the job of hunting his own football, nothing close to that yet.

I've pointed this out recently in less eloquent terms but it doesn't suit the rhetoric so it was widely glossed over. And then he got dropped.

 

[TOA.]

People not really defining their terms well. Does Venables know how to win the ball? absolutely the ball in front of him. Does he know how to track the play and accumulate? no, and that's not his natural game. Our midfielders do a lot of sharing around with backs, link up down the lines. It's the pointy end of the ground where possessions become valuable and hard to come by, that's the position Venables has been in.

At the moment Venners is being played in a role equivalent to the likes a Castagna, Caddy or even De Goey was in his first two years. Obviously, this is a bit of a simplification but he's there to lead up at the ball as a relief target, pressure when the ball spills on long kicks and push hard back to goals when our midfielders breakthrough and we have space in the forward line. He's not had the job of hunting his own football, nothing close to that yet.

I agree but the issue is that he never won much of the ball as a junior and he doesnt win it much at WAFL level. I am not writing him off and he just needs to learn to pad his stats with easier stuff and link more. Abit like NicNat really, although its easier for a small.

 

[mattyc75]

People not really defining their terms well. Does Venables know how to win the ball? absolutely the ball in front of him. Does he know how to track the play and accumulate? no, and that's not his natural game. Our midfielders do a lot of sharing around with backs, link up down the lines. It's the pointy end of the ground where possessions become valuable and hard to come by, that's the position Venables has been in.

At the moment Venners is being played in a role equivalent to the likes a Castagna, Caddy or even De Goey was in his first two years. Obviously, this is a bit of a simplification but he's there to lead up at the ball as a relief target, pressure when the ball spills on long kicks and push hard back to goals when our midfielders breakthrough and we have space in the forward line. He's not had the job of hunting his own football, nothing close to that yet.

Quite right
I guess the question remains that during his junior days up until now why hasn't he been given the role of getting his own ball?
Is it just that he's spent so much time injured? Is it that his coaches dont think hes suited to a midfield role?
Will be interesting to see how he develops

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[Obeanie1]

Venables to HBF

We arent quite at that stage........yet!

Ive mentioned previously it would be interesting to see how he plays behind the ball a bit more and running the ball out of defense.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Heard worse ideas. He's reasonable overhead, a nice kick and has pace. He's also strong one on one.
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Interesting to hear Dennis Cometi during the telecast last week that Venables is struggling because he is not showing any turn of pace when leaving the contest.

There is a myth that DV18 is fast - I liked the insight Dennis provided.

 

[avishka5]

Interesting to hear Dennis Cometi during the telecast last week that Venables is struggling because he is not showing any turn of pace when leaving the contest.

There is a myth that DV18 is fast - I liked the insight Dennis provided.

He's fast but doesn't have the size/power/core strength to bust his way out of congestion. I personally thought that was one of the rare times Dennis got it wrong.

 

[RookiePick]

I thought in the Brissie game DV had picked up a niggle. His run and work rate was well down on his JLT efforts

 

[Dark Sharks]

Clark and Naughton have re-signed, might as well just fold the club now.

 

[eagles rule]

Clark and Naughton have re-signed, might as well just fold the club now.

I reckon Freo ****ed up by not taking Naughton ..


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[AsterixTheGaul]

I reckon Freo ****** up by not taking Naughton ..
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Frockers could not help themselves with 2 mids like we could not help ourself that draft in taking 2 talls.

One of mids plus Naughton was what I would have done and they may even have dropped down the order. The talent from 2 to 5 was so even that they could have traded pick 2 for pick 8 and 35 or something like that. As we come to another derby, the head scratching by our board at the Freo list management continues.

 

[FKASC]

Frockers could not help themselves with 2 mids like we could not help ourself that draft in taking 2 talls.

One of mids plus Naughton was what I would have done and they may even have dropped down the order. The talent from 2 to 5 was so even that they could have traded pick 2 for pick 8 and 35 or something like that. As we come to another derby, the head scratching by our board at the Freo list management continues.

They got Hogan and Lobb though. The white knights

 

[DanWCE]

They got Hogan and Lobb though. The white knights

 

[FKASC]

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Messy Hogurn

 

[Doashuey]

Hypothetical-
Would you trade Venables and Brander for Kelly and Jordan Clark? Straight swaps.

 

[Scotland]

Jordan Clark is contracted therefore worth 2 top 5 picks.

Brander and Venables are contracted but not worth shit.

 

[Keys]

Jordan Clark is contracted therefore worth 2 top 5 picks.

Brander and Venables are contracted but not worth shit.

You’ve been lurking on the Geelong board too long