List Mgmt. Trade & Draft UltraThread- Warning, May Contain Speculation #combinethethreads

[Turboman1994]

People harping on about NBA are forgetting that they have a 4 year rookie scale deal then a rookie max entension so most elite players hang around for 7-8 years it’s not worth it financially to move before hand

 

[The wily weagle]

Theoretically, what could we be reasonably expected to pay to get the Kelly deal over the line?

Assuming we were to win the flag and the gold coast got a priority pick, that puts our first at 19-20?

Geelong would naturally be looking to get 2 first round draft picks, which we would gladly do, but i just cant see us coming to an agreement with them due to our ladder position

 

[eagles rule]

Candiru your mate is off the table

Kreuz remains a 'Bagger

Matthew Kreuzer has officially signed on to remain at Carlton in 2020.

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Well that’s a relief ..



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[Candiru]

For them or him?

Him mostly.

 

[shooshka]

AFL player movement is a bit of a laugh really.

The PA want all the good things that other sports have but none of the drawbacks. No club initiated trades, no public salaries, no max contract lengths/values, no earning criteria for contracts etc.

I'm fine with free agency, players really shouldn't be bound by clubs when out of contract. But in a system where players are drafted at 18 and developed at AFL level losing them at 24 for nothing is a bit of a kick in the nuts to the clubs. But hey the clubs are the ones that draft kids and not 20, 21, 22 year olds.

What the AFL should introduce is contracts being traded. None of this 'I signed for 5 years at $500k and now I can get $800k so I want out' nonsense. You want to move clubs, that club trades for the balance of your contract and when that is up you revert to being an uncontracted player/FA. They should also introduce max criteria. McGovern (26, 3 x AA) and Gaff (26, 2 x AA, B&F) should be eligible for 6 year, $6m deals - for example. To leave as FAs they should be eligible for something lesser, say 5 years x $900k. Tom Boyd (19, 9 games) should not be eligible for a 6 year, $6m deal.

All great ideas, but the AFL (and AFLPA) will never work it out. happy to keep the status quo (which is generally that the vic clubs get the most benefit from player movement).

I think a gateway introduction should be if a player requests a trade - they need to sign a document officially approving/requesting it and that states that they agree to be traded to any club in a state (i.e. TK wants to come back to WA - geelong should be able to get the best they can from WC or Freo - provided that both clubs agree to TK's salary).

Obviously terrible for us in the current situation - but think of GC, GWS etc leveraging the best deals they can for prestia, shiel (and us for judd - although thankfully with hindsight the deal we got was fantastic).

so often the reason given for moving is 'homesickness' - home is home state as far as I'm concerned. It is an hour from Melbourne to Geelong, GC to Brisbane. Syd/Perth/Adelaide teams are all metro region.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So from the insights of the posters and the wonderful input on the general forums with Vic school holidays, it is clear Tim's agent went to Corio Bay to buy him a house and he is staying and Cogs is about to move in with O'Meara and join the destination club.

Great. So we go to the draft. Let's see what Monocle possible draftees will choose for us starting Thursday. It is usually a good chance to see where players are perceived post the U18 carnival.

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[Agent93]

What the AFL should introduce is contracts being traded.

There's an easy way for them to begin with: register the contracts to the AFL rather than the clubs. This also has the plus side of avoiding any "restraint of trade" legalities, and allows the league to monitor total player salaries rather than having clubs report them.

From there they basically have to give up revenue share (comparitively very low in the AFL) to players to get what they want unless the PA becomes rubbish at negotiations.

 

[Agent93]

All great ideas, but the AFL (and AFLPA) will never work it out. happy to keep the status quo (which is generally that the vic clubs get the most benefit from player movement).

Cynical, but true. The AFL will never be a fair competition until at least 4 Victorian clubs are relocated

I think a gateway introduction should be if a player requests a trade - they need to sign a document officially approving/requesting it and that states that they agree to be traded to any club in a state (i.e. TK wants to come back to WA - geelong should be able to get the best they can from WC or Freo - provided that both clubs agree to TK's salary).

If the AFL were serious about fixing this they would give up some revenue share to allow teams to trade players without consent, have players earn the right to restrict trades.

 

[Godfather32]

Him mostly.

I think they might improve a bit next year especially if they can get Docherty back fit.
But I'm talking maybe finishing 10th or so.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Gamble responsibly

*This would be a losing bet

My clue was the hate for the mods but ill take your word for it .

 

[squashface]

My clue was the hate for the mods but ill take your word for it .

E87 is still around just not on this board and I’m pretty sure Gunnar/Dargie posts as Sweet Jesus these days (unless he’s been banned again)

 

[Keys]

So that there’s no more unnecessary speculation on who’s who

E87 posts as 15yearmember

Candiru is/was Gunnar/Dargie/sweetjesus

Now back to speculation on trades that won’t happen

 

[Agent93]

Now back to speculation on trades that won’t happen

Darling to the midfield!

 

[Ishmael_]

So that there’s no more unnecessary speculation on who’s who

E87 posts as 15yearmember

Candiru is/was Gunnar/Dargie/sweetjesus

Now back to speculation on trades that won’t happen

Thanks Keys, this post will save me hundreds of hours in the future.

 

[Matera92]

Matera92 posts as Doctor Gero who posts as Matera92 who posts as JoshWoodenSpoon .

Just so there's no confusion.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

So that there’s no more unnecessary speculation on who’s who

E87 posts as 15yearmember

Candiru is/was Gunnar/Dargie/sweetjesus

Now back to speculation on trades that won’t happen

I remember gunner and dargie very well. Not sweet Jesus

 

[kane249]

So that there’s no more unnecessary speculation on who’s who

E87 posts as 15yearmember

Candiru is/was Gunnar/Dargie/sweetjesus

Now back to speculation on trades that won’t happen

They would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids

 

[FKASC]

Mark Hutchings posts as Big Tones

 

[Dark Sharks]

Too many donuts changing their name on here, I'm done keeping up.

 

[Obeanie1]

I wouldn’t prioritise KPD yet. Allen can role back, Rotham is a good third tall option and Edwards is promising.

Would look for an elite kick though, a potential a Hurn or Jetta will be needed.


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Both Allen and Brander can play defense and Edwards on the rookie list got some good raps prior to being injured.

Mids and another ruck are what we should invest in.

 

[Obeanie1]

Gaff just signed a long term contract, why on Earth would he be wanting to go to Norf after that whole saga?

Family reasons. Father health. Didnt want to leave the Eagles on a sour note with the suspension.

Things change.

 

[Keys]

Mick Ablett (talent manager or some such for WA football) was on the coast to coast podcast this week. Would know more than most on potential draftees so it’s a good listen for anyone interested

Highlights from it eere
• Sydney Stack - always had talent but was unwilling to take advice and/or help himself. Ablett made no secret that he wanted Stack removed from the underage program because of his poor attitude. Said there was only a handful of clubs that he’d succeed at without naming them. Was glad he was going well at Richmond
• Thought that GWS academy product Tom Green was in the discussion as a no.1 pick and said it’ll be interesting if a club pulls the trigger on him early to force GWS hand. Those picks GWS have will be in demand on they try to juggle points so definitely an opportunity for us to do some trading in relation to Kelly and coniglio if required
• WA ruckman Luke Jackson was a top 5 talent
• Freo’s NGA prospect Liam Henry could go top 10 so they’ll need points for him
• Was highly complimentary of Deven Robertson and his leadership
• Pegged Riley Garcia as someone who could provide value later in the draft ~3rd round

 

[kane249]

Pity we aren't in the frame for Jackson, him and Williams would have been a great ruck combo for the near future.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

We propose a deal with GWS

Let coniglio go as a FA and pocket the pick 15 .
Then swap pick 9-10 (1440) tied to essendon

for future 1st (1100) 25(750) 34 (550) = 2400

Gws get 15 compo + 19 ( in equivalent points ) for coniglio

We go to the draft with 2 first rounders and get coniglio .

 

[Obeanie1]

Have heard he signed relatively long term but with a soccer style "release clause" in his contract. E.g. If offer is made that equals x-value draft picks, we have to release him.

Also, I'm making the above up but let's see if the rumour takes off.

Really? Where did you hear that?

Smart by both player and club if true. Gaff gets a secure long term contract but flexible. Club gets its man but if he does elect to move dont get shafted. Win win.