List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2018/2019 - Part 2!

[Matt_352]

Lonie > Fas

 

[MagpieBat]

Fremantle’s stance on Lachie Neale could stop Jesse Hogan and Steven May deals getting done

MICHAEL WARNER and JON RALPH, Herald Sun
October 9, 2018 8:00pm
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FREMANTLE’S hardline stance on trading midfielder Lachie Neale is jamming potential deals involving Jesse Hogan and Steven May.

The Dockers are adamant Neale, 25, will not be traded to Brisbane unless the Lions improve their offer of pick No.5 for the two-time best-and-fairest winner.

They want another mid-teens pick for the gun ball-winner which could unlock the trade week shackles.

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Selection No.5 is the carrot that will then help convince Melbourne to send Hogan to the Dockers, which could then be sent to the Gold Coast in exchange for May.

But Hogan’s shift to Perth is complicated by Rory Lobb’s desire to be traded to Fremantle.

Lobb’s passage home to Perth would involve the mid-teens pick the Dockers want from the Lions as part of the Neale deal.

Lachie Neale in action for Fremantle.

Jesse Hogan in action for Melbourne. Picture: Michael Klein

The 207cm Lobb has a year to run on his Greater Western Sydney contract, but the Giants are being realistic about his trade worth.

Brisbane boasts picks No.5, 24 and 55 but will need to use 24 to land Western Bulldog defender Marcus Adams and believes its initial offer for Neale is sufficient.

Hogan has not publicly declared his hand but could join the Dockers on a five-year deal.

Neale has privately said he has played his last game under coach Ross Lyon.

May’s exit out of the Gold Coast could see the Suns secure picks No.2, 3 and 5 in next month’s super draft.

Steven May in action for Gold Coast.

Dylan Shiel’s decision to nominate Essendon over Carlton means the Blues will almost certainly keep pick No.1 and draft Geelong Falcons midfielder Sam Walsh, leaving South Australian pair Jack Lukosius and Izak Rankine and 202cm Haileybury College twins Ben and Max King on the table for the Suns to select.

But rival recruiters believe the Suns are also eyeing Vic Country captain Jye Caldwell, a tough inside midfielder of quality character.

Caldwell, who presented impressively at last week’s draft combine, could be this year’s top-10 bolter.

Recruiters also expect highly-rated Sandringham Dragons and Xavier College captain Bailey Smith to slip past the early non-Victorian selections and possibly land at the Bulldogs, who currently hold pick No.7.

St Kilda says it will not be trading selection No.4 because of the quality of this year’s draft pool.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...e/news-story/82c084a9083fac75e5f61e6bd6ae2530

 

[Albert Parker]

Essendon a midfield probably overtakes ours now.

Langdon almost gone with that Dunn news you’d suggest.

Really Heppell, Merrett, Shiel, Smith, Langford, Parish, Myers, Bellchambers
vs
Sidebottom, Pendlebury, Treloar, Adams, DeGoey, Sier, Phillips, Grundy

I'd still back us in quite comfortably when Pendles is fit and not injured/sick as per late in 2018.
Shiel is quite overrated for mine. A relatively poor kick and not sure he is a big game performer.

 

[MagpieBat]

It seems our strategy is 'run silent, run deep'. Again.

Demon Tyson keen on move to North

By Michael Gleeson & Peter Ryan
9 October 2018 — 6:27pm

North Melbourne are poised to secure Melbourne midfielder Dom Tyson after the player and the Demons agreed he would explore his options in this trade period.

A day after the Kangaroos missed out on Andrew Gaff, who decided to remain at West Coast, Tyson is understood to have indicated he is interested in a move to Arden Street.

The inside midfielder had also been considering an approach from Gold Coast but it is understood he would prefer to remain in Melbourne.

On the way to North? Melbourne midfielder Dom Tyson.Credit:AAP

Tyson, who began his career at Greater Western Sydney, could shape as a straight swap for Kangaroos ruckman Braydon Preuss, who has asked to be traded to Melbourne.

Tyson, who is contracted at Melbourne for next year on about $500,000, played 17 games this year but was being squeezed for midfield time at the Demons.

Meanwhile Sydney remains interested in uncontracted Collingwood defender Tom Langdon. The Magpies had said earlier in the week they were hopeful of re-signing the intercept-marking flanker however they only presented him with a contract offer in the days after the grand final.

The Magpies, who looked to be more focused on retaining their existing players than trading for new ones, appear set to recommit to small forward Tim Broomhead, who has made good progress in his recovery from a shocking broken leg in round two. Broomhead has had a luckless run with injury in his time at the Magpies.

The Eagles are considering how to use their first two picks - 20 and 22 - to secure Geelong's Tim Kelly, having received pick 20 as compensation for losing ruckman Scott Lycett after deciding not to match Port Adelaide's offer for the premiership player.

West Coast believe those two picks are a fair exchange for Kelly but they might have to bundle those picks in a trade to move up the draft order as the Cats endeavour to gain a high selection for the runner-up in their best and fairest.

Swan Gary Rohan looks set to join the Cats from Sydney on Wednesday in exchange for a low draft pick.

The decision by Dylan Shiel to nominate Essendon as his preferred destination will have a flow-on effect with the clubs that have missed out on the midfielder.

Tom Scully’s future at the Giants remains slightly clouded as he is understood to be open to the idea of moving back to Victoria if it were also to suit the Giants and despite him still being contracted.

With Giants ruckman Rory Lobb likely to be traded within days to Fremantle and Shiel also moving the Giants will have less salary-cap pressure and therefore less imperative to trade Scully.

St Kilda will begin talks with Sydney over a trade for Dan Hannebery. The Saints had waited on the Shiel decision - and what a trade for him would require - before pressing ahead with negotiating a deal for the Swans player. The Saints hope to be able to secure Hannebery with a future second-round draft pick.

Gold Coast are in discussions with Hawthorn about a trade for left-foot defender Jack Scrimshaw.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/demon-tyson-keen-on-move-to-north-20181009-p508p5.html

 

[10571z]

Josh Bruce to Pies? Wonder if there is any truth

 

[Dubaimagpie]

I still reckon we are a chance with May. It has been very quiet and he hasn’t nominated anyone yet which has me thinking this could all be linked to whatever Langdon decides.


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[partypie]

Eh? Of course they can. Show me where it says they can’t.

Courtesy of swoop42 :

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf

Page 116 (scroll to the bottom to see the relevant clauses)

1.6 Compensation

(a) Where in a particular year one or more Free Agent(s) under Rule 1.1(a) and Rule 1.2(b) and/or Restricted Free Agent(s) move from a Club’s Playing List (the firstm mentionedClub) to the Playing List of one or more other Clubs pursuant to theo operationof Rule 1.4 or 1.5, the first mentioned Club may be entitled to a compensatoryselection(s) in the next occurring National Draft Selection Meeting as follows:

(i) any compensatory selection(s) shall be allocated in accordance with guidelines determined by the AFL;​

(ii) National Draft Selections will be allocated to one of five places:​

(A) First round;​

(B) End of First Round;​

(C) Second Round;​

(D) End of Second Round;​

(E) Third Round;​

(iii) a National Draft Selection allocated under Rule 1.6(a)(ii)(A), (C) or (E) shall be taken by the Club immediately after the Club’s selection in that Round (as determined by the AFL Rules);​

(b) For the avoidance of doubt, any entitlement to a compensatory selection:

(i) may be exchanged in accordance with the AFL Rules;

(ii) cannot be utilised pursuant to the Father/Son rule; and

(iii) cannot be utilised pursuant to the Listing of Club Academy Player.​

I never noticed this one myself either but it's there in black and white (pardon the pun).

 

[partypie]

Does that hold true if the pick is traded or does it simply apply to the team that gets the compo?

There is no mention of the restriction being lifted when a compensation pick is on-traded - beyond that I don't know.

Courtesy of swoop42 :

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf

Page 116 (scroll to the bottom to see the relevant clauses)

 

[partypie]

Apex36

It really screws us with our academy players. It constrains us in terms of our points because we need to use our original picks. The Murray trade (facepalm). I wouldn't be surprised if we decide not to match bids if they're too steep.
It's a dumb rule.

They changed the rules in 2016 mostly to protect future first round picks while still allowing clubs to pick up FS or Academy kids - the points come off the future pick in the round corresponding to that in which the bid was met.

If we get through the first round without a bid coming for Quaynor then any deficit will just come off our second round pick next year.

The problem we do still have is that if we go into deficit on Quaynor we will not be able to match a bid on Kelly, so I'd guess that we'll be looking to trade any compo pick we get for Fas for later picks (eg. with St Kilda or the Western Bulldogs).

The other scenario which might work is one where we do a deal with Sydney such as Langdon and pick 18 for picks 13 and 32 (note: I don't want us to trade Langdon), or maybe we trade out one or more players for early-to-mid 4th round picks with enough points attached to help us match any bid for Quaynor in the 2nd round without going into deficit (thus giving us access to Kelly).

 

[frizzle]

They changed the rules in 2016 mostly to protect future first round picks while still allowing clubs to pick up FS or Academy kids - the points come off the future pick in the round corresponding to that in which the bid was met.

If we get through the first round without a bid coming for Quaynor then any deficit will just come off our second round pick next year.

The problem we do still have is that if we go into deficit on Quaynor we will not be able to match a bid on Kelly, so I'd guess that we'll be looking to trade any compo pick we get for Fas for later picks (eg. with St Kilda or the Western Bulldogs).

The other scenario which might work is one where we do a deal with Sydney such as Langdon and pick 18 for picks 13 and 32 (note: I don't want us to trade Langdon), or maybe we trade out one or more players for early-to-mid 4th round picks with enough points attached to help us match any bid for Quaynor in the 2nd round without going into deficit (thus giving us access to Kelly).

I believe Sydney are trading pick 13 for 2 picks in the 20’s as part of the McGovern trade with Adelaide.

 

[Anzacday]

disagree, he's a good kick and reasonable overhead for his size but other than that he's below average in most other areas.

Well played, a respectful disagreement.

 

[soreplums]

Pittard will be traded to a bottom 8 Melbourne based club later this week. Wonder how much Port is paying of his contract.

 

[Apex36]

Lonie > Fas

Nope

 

[Anzacday]

Bugger I guess we won't be using pick 13 on Beams.

 

[partypie]

I believe Sydney are trading pick 13 for 2 picks in the 20’s as part of the McGovern trade with Adelaide.

Edit: goddammit just saw the story on afl.com.au - we spend far too much time sitting on our hands in the trade period and it potentially bites us on the arse yet again.

I'm sure that a deal involving Langdon and a swap of our respective first round picks would have piqued their interest and benefited both clubs.

Now we face getting screwed for Langdon if he decides to leave.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Polec and Pittard to North

 

[Boogy]

Bugger I guess we won't be using pick 13 on Beams.

We never were, he confirmed at BF staying.

 

[MagpieBat]

 

[The Dawes]

sounds a bit too lopsided in North's favour.

 

[soreplums]

sounds a bit too lopsided in North's favour.

Port have back ended a lot of player contracts. Kangaroos may have taken up all of Pittard’s contract

 

[SpongePie]

Yeah absolutely. I just have in my head that we'd need to pay through our teeth. It's all hypothetical of course.

The whole thread is hypothetical...

and arguing
and rumour
and craziness

not much fact in here

 

[Tittan99]

Sauce?

Mate who is friends with a couple of the giants boys from school

 

[partypie]

Mate who is friends with a couple of the giants boys from school

I hope it's not true - Cox is already better than Patton and that speaks volumes.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Gotta give North credit, even though they missed out on Gaff they keep plugging away.
Might not be A grade talent but they will add 4-5 best 22 players.

Polec, Hall, Pittard, Tyson, Finlayson.
Polec and Hall will give them some much needed outside run.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Scott Lucas has just said that discussions aren't limited to Sydney and Collingwood.

Maybe Nixon was right with his GWS mail.