List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency - Fred 11

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[Sir_Loin]

Just for the record I was right about shai bolton

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Shai Bolton

Age

25

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

 

[getthefooty]

I cant believe how reckless Collingwood (and McRae) have been. Its completely selfish by Fly and unbelievably arrogant.

Even if they win the flag this year, they have 9 x 32s+ that will be no longer there when Tassie enter the draft. Even if they win the next 2 flags, they're not going to have a pick in the top 30 for the next 4 drafts! It will be just impossible.

I reckon the arrogance is from them saying that they'll poach the shithouse out of GCE, WCE and Tassie on all their kids that want to come home or free agents. But to get the homesick kids, you need to trade for them. And the free agents dont want to come to an old dated and aging list. They might snag say 1 free agent per year, but they're gonna need to preplace 9 of their current best 22. You cant do that with free agents.

And doing ANY kind of rebuild when Tassie come would make feel absolutely sick. Carlton have only just come out of having to do it with GC/GWS... Essendon, North, Saints still havent. Saints are the perfect example, the missed the 2010 flag by a whisker with an aging list, then have been stuck in no-mans land since - and will be for another 5 years.

We had absolutely no option but to make the call we have, regardless of the pain for the next 3-4 years.

Collingwood want to be a Geelong/Sydney and constantly top up to avoid the word rebuild. But its an absolute furphy. Melbourne clubs trying to exist like that is foolish. Geelong is basically in a different state, with a 15% bonus on their salary cap on all Melbourne clubs. You can have the dream lifestyle, for a 15% reduction on COLA... yet still be in Melbourne. Its the leg up that no other club can compete with. And they're not competing with anyone. They can make players sign for 700, instead of a million.... because they're going to make in back and more on within minutes of buying their first Bellarine home. Its Geelong's "culture"... its a ****ing 15 free kicks a year. Its not cheating, but their using a different "currency" to anyone else.

Collingwood thinking they can do the same is just absolute arrogance. But the pain is going to be brutal - even if they snag another flag. The thinking that they can rely on brand for free agents or buying homesick kids is mental. A Harry Perryman at $900k addition at the year will only make their whole structure even worse. And its all going to happen when their messiah - Nick Daicos - is in his absolute prime. When the AFL bring in changes to trading picks 2 years in advance... if Collingwood think that will help... no one is going to go hard on that, because pick 1 for the wooden spooner is going to be pick 6... a preliminary finalist will be 30 - who's buying that?

You watch the Collingwood Board in 24 months time complaining about equalisation when their new reality hits. Discussions of the NSW teams regaining COLA, the draft measures for Tassie, the Academy free kicks for northern states..... EDDIE and Collingwood supporters will be vicious, deafening. The AFL needs to remember this moment, this point in time... because whilst Carlton has chosen one direction in getting pick 3, Collingwood has chosen the not think past their own nose. And if Houston doesnt get the flag he wants in the next couple of years.... he'll just **** off like any player can these days.

I know this is thread is about Richmond and should be. But l cannont fathom what Collingwood have just done. It looks good on paper, but they are so ****ing stupid. That's what happens when you have a Coach and List Manager that long time mates/teammates... the conflict of interest is ridiculous. There is no separation and rationalisation. They've ****ed themselves HARD.

We have/had to take our medicine - but our timing is going to be the envy of 16 other clubs - who have to experience the 'rebuild' model when their time comes.

Strange post. If you win the next two flags and the recruits contribute towards them then it’s worth it irrespective of how much pain you have afterwards.

 

[tigs2010]

Just for the record I was right about shai bolton

 

[Sir_Loin]

Mate sometimes you have to play the long game. You can learn it’s not too late

 

[Groupie_]

I cant believe how reckless Collingwood (and McRae) have been. Its completely selfish by Fly and unbelievably arrogant.

Even if they win the flag this year, they have 9 x 32s+ that will be no longer there when Tassie enter the draft. Even if they win the next 2 flags, they're not going to have a pick in the top 30 for the next 4 drafts! It will be just impossible.

I reckon the arrogance is from them saying that they'll poach the shithouse out of GCE, WCE and Tassie on all their kids that want to come home or free agents. But to get the homesick kids, you need to trade for them. And the free agents dont want to come to an old dated and aging list. They might snag say 1 free agent per year, but they're gonna need to preplace 9 of their current best 22. You cant do that with free agents.

And doing ANY kind of rebuild when Tassie come would make feel absolutely sick. Carlton have only just come out of having to do it with GC/GWS... Essendon, North, Saints still havent. Saints are the perfect example, the missed the 2010 flag by a whisker with an aging list, then have been stuck in no-mans land since - and will be for another 5 years.

We had absolutely no option but to make the call we have, regardless of the pain for the next 3-4 years.

Collingwood want to be a Geelong/Sydney and constantly top up to avoid the word rebuild. But its an absolute furphy. Melbourne clubs trying to exist like that is foolish. Geelong is basically in a different state, with a 15% bonus on their salary cap on all Melbourne clubs. You can have the dream lifestyle, for a 15% reduction on COLA... yet still be in Melbourne. Its the leg up that no other club can compete with. And they're not competing with anyone. They can make players sign for 700, instead of a million.... because they're going to make in back and more on within minutes of buying their first Bellarine home. Its Geelong's "culture"... its a ****ing 15 free kicks a year. Its not cheating, but their using a different "currency" to anyone else.

Collingwood thinking they can do the same is just absolute arrogance. But the pain is going to be brutal - even if they snag another flag. The thinking that they can rely on brand for free agents or buying homesick kids is mental. A Harry Perryman at $900k addition at the year will only make their whole structure even worse. And its all going to happen when their messiah - Nick Daicos - is in his absolute prime. When the AFL bring in changes to trading picks 2 years in advance... if Collingwood think that will help... no one is going to go hard on that, because pick 1 for the wooden spooner is going to be pick 6... a preliminary finalist will be 30 - who's buying that?

You watch the Collingwood Board in 24 months time complaining about equalisation when their new reality hits. Discussions of the NSW teams regaining COLA, the draft measures for Tassie, the Academy free kicks for northern states..... EDDIE and Collingwood supporters will be vicious, deafening. The AFL needs to remember this moment, this point in time... because whilst Carlton has chosen one direction in getting pick 3, Collingwood has chosen the not think past their own nose. And if Houston doesnt get the flag he wants in the next couple of years.... he'll just **** off like any player can these days.

I know this is thread is about Richmond and should be. But l cannont fathom what Collingwood have just done. It looks good on paper, but they are so ****ing stupid. That's what happens when you have a Coach and List Manager that long time mates/teammates... the conflict of interest is ridiculous. There is no separation and rationalisation. They've ****ed themselves HARD.

We have/had to take our medicine - but our timing is going to be the envy of 16 other clubs - who have to experience the 'rebuild' model when their time comes.

how are they going to snag a flag with that shite truck list full of old campaigners ? they only won last year cos they got a ride from the umpies all year

every time the game was close at the end the umps always blew a whistle for them to get them over the line

any club in the afl can win the flag with the leg up they got

 

[voorhees]

Karen Cornhole saying we were lucky our players wanted to go to clubs that had picks

he is correct.
pieces of the puzzle fell into place for us very nicely.
dealing with G.C was easy and Freo acted tough for a minute or two but eventually folded.
I count us as blessed it was G.C/W.C and freo could of been alot more difficult.

 

[TigerTime88]

It also ignores the fact that there maybe a clear top 2 (which imo there is) so 3s perceived value will be far less.

Reminds me of 07 when most people (bar weaver) were of the belief that Kruezer and Cotchin were the clear top 2 and WCE were desperate to get Blues no.1 while Blues had zero interesting in trading it and keeping 3 for Morton/masten

But there isn't a clear top two. There is a clear top 6.

 

[UpTheGutz]

Important we all bring our best banter next year. These are years you grow up.

Can’t wait. Every game will be like a talent show.

 

[Roachy8]

I'm surprised McRae isn't interested in drafting younger players to develop considering he was a vfl coach ans helped our younger players



But seems obsessed with making finals again by taking short cuts
.

I think he enjoyed being the smiling, measured, successful good-guy in the eyes of all the media for 12-24 months far too much.
Does not want to lose the love.

However, win or lose next year, from 2026 onwards the Pies are ****ed!

 

[The_Kraken]

We’re all Charlie Bucket today.

 

[Wally Matera]

Strange post. If you win the next two flags and the recruits contribute towards them then it’s worth it irrespective of how much pain you have afterwards.

Its fine if (a) you win them and (b) you have the ability to regenerate. They missed the 8 this year. And have absolutely no chance to regenerate now.

 

[Blinger]

I don't want to trade pick 6 and 10 to North for pick 2.

Let North come to us & that allows us to decide what we want to give up. I would have been more interested if they still had pick 25 as well. I certainly wouldn't offer more than 6 & 18

 

[Groupie_]

pies fan on twitter telling me the 2017 grand final we only won cos of umps in an easy flogging

I posted free kick tally that shows pies get sucked off in every game for the last 7 years and that they won the grand final by one nick softcos duck free kick infront of goal

 

[Groupie_]

 

[Nostradumbass]

I cant believe how reckless Collingwood (and McRae) have been. Its completely selfish by Fly and unbelievably arrogant.

Even if they win the flag this year, they have 9 x 32s+ that will be no longer there when Tassie enter the draft. Even if they win the next 2 flags, they're not going to have a pick in the top 30 for the next 4 drafts! It will be just impossible.

I reckon the arrogance is from them saying that they'll poach the shithouse out of GCE, WCE and Tassie on all their kids that want to come home or free agents. But to get the homesick kids, you need to trade for them. And the free agents dont want to come to an old, dated and aging list. They might snag say 1 free agent per year, but they're gonna need to replace 9 of their current best 22. You cant do that with free agents.

And doing ANY kind of rebuild when Tassie come would make me feel absolutely sick. Carlton have only just come out of having to do it with GC/GWS... Essendon, North, Saints still havent. Saints are the perfect example, the missed the 2010 flag by a whisker with an aging list, then have been stuck in no-mans land since - and will be for another 5 years.

We had absolutely no option but to make the call we have, regardless of the pain for the next 3-4 years.

Collingwood want to be a Geelong/Sydney and constantly top up to avoid the word rebuild. But its an absolute furphy. Melbourne clubs trying to exist like that is foolish. Geelong is basically in a different state, with a 15% bonus on their salary cap on all Melbourne clubs. You can have the dream lifestyle, for a 15% reduction on COLA... yet still be in Melbourne. Its the leg up that no other club can compete with. And they're not competing with anyone. They can make players sign for 700, instead of a million.... because they're going to make in back and more on within minutes of buying their first Bellarine home. Its not Geelong's "culture" allowing them to do it... its ****ing 15 free kicks a year. Its not cheating, but their using a different "currency" to anyone else.

Collingwood thinking they can do the same is just absolute arrogance. But the pain is going to be brutal - even if they snag another flag. The thinking that they can rely on brand for free agents or buying homesick kids is mental. A "Harry Perryman at $900k" addition each year will only make their whole structure even worse. And its all going to happen when their messiah - Nick Daicos - is in his absolute prime. When the AFL bring in changes to trading picks 2 years in advance... if Collingwood think that will help... no one is going to go hard on that, because pick 1 for the wooden spooner is going to be pick 6... a preliminary finalist will be 30 - who's buying that?

You watch the Collingwood Board in 24 months time complaining about equalisation when their new reality hits. Discussions of the NSW teams regaining COLA, the draft measures for Tassie, the Academy free kicks for northern states..... EDDIE and Collingwood supporters will be vicious, deafening. The AFL needs to remember this moment, this point in time... because whilst Carlton has chosen one direction in getting pick 3 (the right strategy), Collingwood has chosen to not think past their own nose. And if Houston doesnt get the flag he wants in the next couple of years.... he'll just **** off like any player can do these days.

I know this is thread is about Richmond and should be. But l cannont fathom what Collingwood have just done. It looks good on paper, but they are so ****ing stupid. That's what happens when you have a Coach and List Manager that long time mates/teammates... the conflict of interest is ridiculous. There is no separation and rationalisation. They've ****ed themselves HARD.

We have/had to take our medicine - but our timing is going to be the envy of 16 other clubs - who have to experience the 'rebuild' model when their time comes.

 

[Groupie_]

I posted stats for free kicks for the last 7 years that showed they get sucked off by the men in phlegm and this campaigner thinks im talking about the 2023 grand final only

 

[Calcium Man]

But there isn't a clear top two. There is a clear top 6.

Is Smillie gonna go 1 or even at 3? No.

that already changes the clear top 6 to a top 5.

It’s funny that two of the favourites for pick 1 in FOS and Lalor had injury riddled seasons and yet still are in contention for pick 1 but the guys who’s season couldn’t have gone more perfectly, Jagga and Langford, haven’t been able to seperate themselves.

You’re entitled to believe what you want, but from the CTL, futures game, champs games and noobs YouTube I’ve watched I have those two are clear 1&2, with Jagga and Draper clear 3&4.

 

[getthefooty]

Its fine if (a) you win them and (b) you have the ability to regenerate. They missed the 8 this year. And have absolutely no chance to regenerate now.

No. (B) is not correct. Only (a) is required. Clearly you’re not going to pass up the opportunity to win a flag just because you lose the opportunity to regenerate afterwards. That makes absolutely no sense. If you put an “or” in between (a) and (b) then I would agree, but not an “and”.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Is Smillie gonna go 1 or even at 3? No.

that already changes the clear top 6 to a top 5.

It’s funny that two of the favourites for pick 1 in FOS and Lalor had injury riddled seasons and yet still are in contention for pick 1 but the guys who’s season couldn’t have gone more perfectly, Jagga and Langford, haven’t been able to seperate themselves.

You’re entitled to believe what you want, but from the CTL, futures game, champs games and noobs YouTube I’ve watched I have those two are clear 1&2, with Jagga and Draper clear 3&4.

If Smilie's there at 10 I'd take him. At 195cm he could be deployed anywhere and you've got a ball winning monster.

 

[Sir_Loin]

pies fan on twitter telling me the 2017 grand final we only won cos of umps in an easy flogging

I posted free kick tally that shows pies get sucked off in every game for the last 7 years and that they won the grand final by one nick softcos duck free kick infront of goal

Wat was it like jerking off in the mirror when you posted that

 

[Morro]

That’s some bullshit. Rioli was pretty much our only way to move the ball.

His speed and run was pretty much our only way to get out of our half. Our kicking is only average and our marking is piss poor.

All three of them were key players for us.


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I said what I said.

 

[Calcium Man]

If Smilie's there at 10 I'd take him. At 195cm he could be deployed anywhere and you've got a ball winning monster.

I would too. I really like smillie.

I’d take him over Langford personally. His pace is a problem, he looks fine at u18 where most players will top out playing for Vermont, Nobel park etc… he started to look slow at vfl, and we know afl is way faster than vfl.

It was his first vfl game and his endurance is elite so you can’t write him off, but we already sook about Taranto/Graham/Hopper being slow at afl level yet Taranto at least was about 3 seconds flat for 20m.

 

[Sir_Loin]

It’s going to be a long off season lads

 

[Profop]

I don’t mind Collingwood having a red hot crack while they think they have the cattle

Little bit hypocritical of us to be saying you have to win flags and regenerate at the same time

We’re in for a few hard years no doubt but three flags makes it worth it

 

[Sir_Loin]

It’s going to be a long off season lads

tigs2010 you shut your mouth