List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency Part 9

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[YeOldTiger]

The way I have to be so freakin careful when I post anything now is very stressful.

Shut up you campaigners

It is extremely liberating when nobody gives a f about what you post, take it from me lol

 

[YeOldTiger]

Jye Caldwell @ 11 and Butters @ 12 in 2018 weren't fails, I would argue that Wang-Milera is a hit along with Flanders, Hollands, Fletcher, Bruhn and Pedlar, too early to tell on O'Sullivan and Gothard (luv that name)

Jack Ough will go to the Giants to be one with Gothard

 

[THE THIN MAN]

"Mo'reece" Rioli.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Elephant in the room lads.

Which disgruntled campaigner are we pushing through to the PSD?

We haven't had this luxury for a long time.

Will Phillips is uncontracted. There's one for you.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Will Phillips is uncontracted. There's one for you.

What an unprepossessing selection.

 

[tiger_tough]

Well said by Richo

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Well said by Richo

What's the gist of it?

 

[Greggy]

Well said by Richo

McClueless is just an immature shit stirrer, he has so little football knowledge that he has to resort to taunting his workmates. By the end Richo says “How many premierships have you seen?” That shut him up.

 

[Greggy]

What's the gist of it?

He was just relentlessly saying how Richmond have stuffed everything up and players want to leave etc etc, just completely uninformed shit stirring.

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Well said by Richo

The wannabe shock jock. As I’ve said many times: he just isn’t any good at it.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

The wannabe shock jock. As I’ve said many times: he just is any good at it.

You would expect the person discussing the topic to have at least a basic understanding of it, sadly for the listeners all that was trotted out was 'Richmond are poor' because you are bottom of the ladder.

No analysis or discussion on the possibilities and how it could affect the club.

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

You would expect the person discussing the topic to have at least a basic understanding of it, sadly for the listeners all that was trotted out was 'Richmond' are poor because you are bottom of the ladder.

No analysis or discussion on the possibilities and how it could affect the club.

A miserable headline/click bait seeking prick. Certainly our success and size has had the media cockroaches crawl out from their dark places.

I really hate this style of media. Informs no one.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

A miserable headline/click bait seeking prick. Certainly our success and size has had the media cockroaches crawl out from their dark places.

I really hate this style of media. Informs no one.

Richmond sells!

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Genuine question, what players have been traded for more than picks 9 and 10? I don't expect you to know, I dont, but there wouldnt many in recent history.

Judd but no comparison as he was the arguably the best mid in the game at that time.

Dylan Shiel and 2nd rounder for - 9 and 14 - he was a star when traded though

Tim Kelly - was a gun traded, went for much less

I am not overrating picks, but 9 and 10 are a massive price to pay for any player.

Regarding Baker, I have also thought 13-17 was fair, so the small upgrade probably just tops it up.

These are all the biggest trades I could find 2000-2020.

in 2000:
Peter Bell went to Freo for picks 6, 37 and a player, Sinclair.

Paul Williams for picks 8, 39.

Pick 4 for D Wakelin.

Pick 4 and Cranage for Aaron Hamill

2001:
Picks 13, 17, 45 for Barry Hall.

2002:
Picks 2, 18 for 31yo W Carey.

Picks 6 & 31 for Barry Brooks!

Peter Everitt picks 6 & 22

Des Headland picks 3 & 19

2003:
Nathan Brown for picks 6 & 20

2004:
Ottens for 12 & 16

2006:
Judd & 46 effectively for picks 3, 4, 20

2014:
Beams for 5, 25 & J Crisp

Boyd for Griffen & pick 6

2016:
O'Meara for pick 10 & F2(Hawks)

2017:
Jake Lever and 2 x late second round picks for pick 10 & Melbourne's future first(expected value around 10)

Bryce Gibbs and roughly a mid rd 2 pick for 10 & 16

Lachie Weller pick 2

2018:
Wingard for picks 15, 35 & Ryan Burton

Lachie Neale & pick 30 for picks 6, 19, 55.

Jessie Hogan for picks 6 & 23

Dylan Shiel & late rd 2 for 9 & Bombers F1

B Hill for Acres, Pick 10 & F2(Saints)


2019:
Kelly trade

2020:
J Cameron trade


The ones I have bolded I would say were higher value or similar value to what you are suggesting for the Bolton trade, picks 9 & 10(sliding a bit.)

On average there has been a player traded for something in that ball park around once per year. There are 22 of them over a 21 year span. If you look at that list, there are plenty of players who would not have been considered as good as Bolton is now either due to age, injury, or past performance. Here, Bolton is injury free, durable, 25 years old, is a multi position star who has rated in the top 20 in the comp the last 2 seasons before this season. But we can all see why his 2024 rating would be a bit lower. And Richmond hold the whip hand as he is contracted.

Right now 9 & 10 likely sliding to 11 & 12 is the best possible level those picks can end up at. One of the picks should definitely end up around 11, but the other could slide realistically to about 14. If the picks were likely to end up at 11 & 14 that is definitely not enough for a long contracted Bolton. 11 & 12 is still not enough imo. These 2 picks + pick 26(which will slide to mid 30's) is maybe enough to release Bolton. Otherwise, just keep his ass.

 

[sregit]

Stringer.

Don’t let that idiot anywhere near Punt road.

 

[panatha1908]

Interesting article on hawthorn's rebuild Here. Essentially dont have too many older players blocking kids, draft, back the young players and get the ones who look like they will make it to 50 games.

for us thats probably the disappointing part of the 2021 draft crop. 3 years later how many games are they on? Who was the last player drafted to get to 50 games?

Edit. I checked on this Site and its rhyan mansell from 2020 and before that ralphsmith from 2019 this week. Before that it's pickett from 2019 msd draft who got to 90. So we haven't got the balance right in the last 4 years and need a big next 2 years of games into the kids.

 

[sabso]

for us thats probably the disappointing part of the 2021 draft crop. 3 years later how many games are they on? Who was the last player drafted to get to 50 games?

Of that 2021 draft, yes no one has become an established breakout star but look how they're travelling (and/or why they're not).

Player	Age	Height	Weight	Games	Goals	Votes	Verdict
Robbie Tarrant	32yr	196cm	97kg	20	0	0	Old/possibly Meehan'd
Josh Gibcus	18yr	196cm	87kg	20	3	0	Meehan'd
Tom Brown	18yr	186cm	77kg	19	4	0	Meehan'd
Tyler Sonsie	18yr	181cm	78kg	24	7	0	Shite
Sam Banks	18yr	187cm	71kg	20	2	0	Developing
Judson Clarke	17yr	179cm	69kg	17	14	0	Meehan'd
Jacob Bauer	19yr	192cm	85kg	6	6	0	Developing

 

[Muddiemoose]

Stringer.

Thread ban for even joking about it

 

[DickieKnee]

Well said by Richo

McClure is such a ********. Hope we win another flag before his s**tstain of a club.

 

[KrispyKreme]

Of that 2021 draft, yes no one has become an established breakout star but look how they're travelling (and/or why they're not).

Player	Age	Height	Weight	Games	Goals	Votes	Verdict
Robbie Tarrant	32yr	196cm	97kg	20	0	0	Old/possibly Meehan'd
Josh Gibcus	18yr	196cm	87kg	20	3	0	Meehan'd
Tom Brown	18yr	186cm	77kg	19	4	0	Meehan'd
Tyler Sonsie	18yr	181cm	78kg	24	7	0	Shite
Sam Banks	18yr	187cm	71kg	20	2	0	Developing
Judson Clarke	17yr	179cm	69kg	17	14	0	Meehan'd
Jacob Bauer	19yr	192cm	85kg	6	6	0	Developing

What is Meehan’d

 

[tora tora tora]

If this dudes draft picks pan out phwwwwoar ill need a cold spoon draft night

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If Rioli leaves Hugo played well at HBF in the VFL. He'd be the straight plug in for Rioli's sprint efforts. Smith stays on the list as depth.
I don't think we need Harrison Oliver in that position.
We have small fwd surplus, I reckon Cumbo, Coulhard delisted too.
Dow ~ one year extension.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

If Rioli leaves Hugo played well at HBF in the VFL. He'd be the straight plug in for Rioli's sprint efforts. Smith stays on the list as depth.
I don't think we need Harrison Oliver in that position.
We have small fwd surplus, I reckon Cumbo, Coulhard delisted too.
Dow ~ one year extension.

Keep hugo wing i reckon, much harder spot to fill and hes good at it. Banks on the other wing. We dont actually have much genuine quality in hbf line breakers/elite kicks. Oliver wouldnt be a bad choice imo. Lalor and berry is your small/med forwards set for a decade plus.

 

[fargothegreat]

If Rioli leaves Hugo played well at HBF in the VFL. He'd be the straight plug in for Rioli's sprint efforts. Smith stays on the list as depth.
I don't think we need Harrison Oliver in that position.
We have small fwd surplus, I reckon Cumbo, Coulhard delisted too.
Dow ~ one year extension.

Hugo's disposal not good enough for that role. Banks or even Juddy when he's fit are probably worth a go there.

Smith maybe, but he's shown nothing yet to suggest he's capable of making the jump to AFL level.

 

[tigerfan1961]

Hugo's disposal not good enough for that role. Banks or even Juddy when he's fit are probably worth a go there.

Smith maybe, but he's shown nothing yet to suggest he's capable of making the jump to AFL level.

Hmm, I reckon Smith has shown the abilities in patches, and has the drive and ambition to make it. I’m actually pretty disappointed he’s not been given more of a run in the seniors to learn his craft at the higher level.

 

[TigerTime88]

Well said by Richo

McClure is actually just a very immature individual. He can't have a proper conversation with baiting and always thinks he is right with some level of arrogance.

I heard him talking about playing for Canterbury in the VAFA like he was Brent Harvey rolling back to local footy. Honestly makes Kane Cornes look like an A grade media performer.