List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 4

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Could we just for arguements sake we go into draft night with picks 7 /15 & 17 and both Callahan & Ward are gone.
Could we offer pick 7 & 28 to Brisbane for picks 14 & 18.Giving us pick:14/15/17/18 & 26.
Because to me it seems like a big lottery after Ward.

 

[Rayzorwire]

It was a tweet by "the trade whisperer".

If you're willing to give it air time, all power to you.

More like 'the bull whisperer'...and the end of the bull he's whispering into isn't the end with ears!

 

[MilduraJim]

Il get shot down for this but if the plan was to contend again, then I'd be giving the second/third round points package deal offer to the Pies for De Goey.

Hes only 25 so isn't a total win now player either, about to enter his prime years like Dusty did at that age.

Expect to be shot down, but I'd only do this IF we want to contend again next year. If the plan is rebuild, I'd look elsewhere. This keeps our current first rounders though, this trade would be for something like 28, 38, 40, maybe we see if we have any steak knives too. Pies may entertain it as a salary cap dump.

Nothing wrong with the idea, but we just don't have the cash or we would have Cerra!

 

[fargothegreat]

Re Dimma, I think what happened at Hawthorn this year is very instructive. With recent retirements at our club and more to come (Cotch, Jack?) we are going to get younger out of necessity. The word at the Dawks is the younger players where firmly behind Mitchell. If you are just starting out, its doesn't how many premierships you have, you just want to feel you get your shot.

I also think that the last 12 months was very humbling for our club, especially off the field. I think there are some scars and the place is very tired physically and emotionally. Gale is a pretty progressive fella and I really don't think he is going to let us just fade. I think his Instagram post yesterday was also very interesting.

As for replacement - Newy or Kingsley?

Dimma has a contract until 2024. I think he'll be around for a while yet.

I don't think the Hawks are the club to try and emulate either. They handled Clarko's exit very poorly. I'm a believer that while Clarko is still coaching well (and he is), it should have been up to him when he chose to move on.

 

[Jungle Noise]

I'm of the opinion that we sit on our first 2 picks, trade our late second 38 & 39 (Chol & CCJ) plus 42 & 47 for the Dogs 17 & 72, trade 72 to North for Tarrant and head to the draft with 7 15 17 26 & 28.

Nike ( just do it)


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[Danog]

Could we just for arguements sake we go into draft night with picks 7 /15 & 17 and both Callahan & Ward are gone.
Could we offer pick 7 & 28 to Brisbane for picks 14 & 18.Giving us pick:14/15/17/18 & 26.
Because to me it seems like a big lottery after Ward.

Why would Brisbane do that

 

[Hamsatma]

Why would Brisbane do that

If they really rate a player available at 7. Different clubs tend to rate drafts differently

 

[Noidnadroj]

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

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Not sure I'd be overly happy with that happening

No way…. actual data of average games played tells you picks 20-30 are not much worse than 10-20. So don’t give up 2 of those picks for #17 which could be Higgins or some other C-B grader …. whilst 20-30 could be 2 players the calibre of Tim Kelly, Bolton, Balta, CJ, Allen etc…..


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[NimFromSudan]

Dimma has a contract until 2024. I think he'll be around for a while yet.

I don't think the Hawks are the club to try and emulate either. They handled Clarko's exit very poorly. I'm a believer that while Clarko is still coaching well (and he is), it should have been up to him when he chose to move on.

Hawthorn problem fundamentally boils down to rating Mitchell too highly. They were shit scared of losing him but really shouldn't have been.

 

[Tygrys]

Could we just for arguements sake we go into draft night with picks 7 /15 & 17 and both Callahan & Ward are gone.
Could we offer pick 7 & 28 to Brisbane for picks 14 & 18.Giving us pick:14/15/17/18 & 26.
Because to me it seems like a big lottery after Ward.

Personally I get a little frustrated when people want 'certainties' in a draft even when it means giving away a whole lot of really good picks to do it. Those good picks could well result in a player who turns out every bit as good or even better than that one player you sold the draft farm to get. Everything is a gamble but to to me it's about what helps you most in achieving a sustained run at the premiership.

Just saying unless it's a Dusty we are talking about, having say 3 or 4 top twenty picks and absolutely nailing them has a far more transformative effect then just one top ten big fish. It's a lottery, and there is some luck involved, but the more numbers you have the better the chance you've got to win it big. Personally I would like more top 20 picks not less.

 

[Tigerbob]

Could we just for arguements sake we go into draft night with picks 7 /15 & 17 and both Callahan & Ward are gone.
Could we offer pick 7 & 28 to Brisbane for picks 14 & 18.Giving us pick:14/15/17/18 & 26.
Because to me it seems like a big lottery after Ward.

Not the worst idea in the world. Depends on who is left and who we rate. I wouldn’t think we’d have to give up 28 either.

 

[_RT_]

Whether they need points or not, no-one is ever gonna trade 2x 1sts for 2x 2nds...how does this make sense?

As I said earlier I was looking at it from the worse case scenario for the Dogs.

 

[Infamy]

As I said earlier I was looking at it from the worse case scenario for the Dogs.

They may as well just use their own pick to match the bid this year and let their 1st next year get pushed back as well
Makes zero sense

 

[Lsta062]

Why would the Dogs care about getting our picks in the 20s when they are just going to get wiped out by the Darcy bid anyway.
Those two picks on their own are valued at Pick 10, so not in our favour for Pick 17 and they are also only worth 1400 points when they will likely need around 1700 so it doesn't work for either party
The only thing that may affect it is the Dogs number of available list spots for picks to take to the draft

Oh OK, thanks for clarifying. I thought it was advantageous for them to get at least one of our picks in the 20s

 

[Rubber Hips]

Hawks paying out Clarkos contract = $80,000 per Month…..until end of 22 season

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

WB - how about 17 and future first for 26 & 28?
Rich - how much have you had to drink? Deal!

This just does not make any sense
Why would the bulldogs want 26 & 28 as its just going to be swallowed up in the draft for picks

They will have pick #18 not #17 after Daicos gets bid on and its worth 985 points
Richmonds pick 38, 40 , 42 currently worth 1289 points will all move up 3 spots which will be roughly 1350 points which seems like the perfect trade and cant see them getting a better offer for a pick that will be #19 after the dogs select darcy.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

If they really rate a player available at 7. Different clubs tend to rate drafts differently

Amazing how many people don't understand this.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Why would Brisbane do that

Amiss or Andrew?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Personally I get a little frustrated when people want 'certainties' in a draft even when it means giving away a whole lot of really good picks to do it. Those good picks could well result in a player who turns out every bit as good or even better than that one player you sold the draft farm to get. Everything is a gamble but to to me it's about what helps you most in achieving a sustained run at the premiership.

Just saying unless it's a Dusty we are talking about, having say 3 or 4 top twenty picks and absolutely nailing them has a far more transformative effect then just one top ten big fish. It's a lottery, and there is some luck involved, but the more numbers you have the better the chance you've got to win it big. Personally I would like more top 20 picks not less.

Yep.I've been abit nervous about this year because of the lack of games into the vic kids over the past 2yrs.And even the WA & SA kids as far as the KP's go.How can you judge when they have practically just played each other and thats it.
Pick 7 is a good pick but like you said there's no certainty about it.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Not the worst idea in the world. Depends on who is left and who we rate. I wouldn’t think we’d have to give up 28 either.

One of a few things the afl have got right over the past few years.Live Trading.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Hawks paying out Clarkos contract = $80,000 per Month…..until end of 22 season

The Family Payments Club.

 

[_RT_]

They may as well just use their own pick to match the bid this year and let their 1st next year get pushed back as well
Makes zero sense

I know it's not going to happen, but given how stupid Collingwood were in the draft last year, you just never know your luck.

 

[Damo80]

Can I just ask a question right now, before the bloke officially enters the league, whether he plays for us or not, so we can formally establish exactly how we're going to deal with this bloke's name from this moment onwards.

Is he always going to get his first name included every time we refer to him, like Easton Wood, Bailey Dale and Oscar Allen?

Or is his surname actually "MacAndrew", like "Macdonald", or MacDaniels", and he's doing the old Ronaldinho, Fred, Jo one-name thing?

And no, I dunno why it triggers me so much.

Harris Andrews. It took me a fair while to realise this wasn't a hyphenated surname, "Harris-Andrews".


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[Infamy]

Hawks paying out Clarkos contract = $80,000 per Month…..until end of 22 season

Pretty sure they have stretched it out over 2 years, so it will be around $40k per month until the end of 2023

 

[Infamy]

I know it's not going to happen, but given how stupid Collingwood were in the draft last year, you just never know your luck.

There is a big difference between under estimating how badly you would do in the following season and just giving stuff away in a trade you already know is a bad deal. I commend your ability to continue defending it as a possibility though