Tiger_Of_Old
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My way of thinking as well.
Target someone like Treacy(Freo) for 300k(Or Gibcus fwd) too help out Lynch and then target a big KPF to replace Lynch.
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Target someone like Treacy(Freo) for 300k(Or Gibcus fwd) too help out Lynch and then target a big KPF to replace Lynch.
Tiger_Of_Old
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As a KPF.Hummingbird isn't the answer.
If the Suns continue to stink it up.Surely king comes into the frame if Blair hasn't already touched base.
Would you not have said the same thing about a bunch of players that have moved over time?l and the location they moved to? Daniher? Brad Hill? Dunkley? O’Meara? (There are many many more, so let’s not get into a forensic analysis of each player mentioned).
This is because money isn’t the only thing in consideration when a player is making a future decision. Nor is where they come from. If so, we wouldn’t have been able to sign Lynch, Taranto and Hopper (all had more money offered) and Bolton and Baker would be back in WA already.
But here’s my question to you. You asked it about Ben King, what has Harry Himmelberg done that makes you think he is an elite forward?
I like Himmelberg. I like his versatility. He’s a solid player. But I don’t think as a key forward he is the right guy for us moving forward. Yes he’s the most available guy. Yes he is the easiest to get guy. Yes he doesn’t come with the trading of assets. None of that makes him the right guy.
This has been my point all along. Get the right guy even if it is more expensive, harder work and requires trading of picks. That’s what I would prefer.
You may not, or you may think that Himmelberg is or can be that guy. I’ve yet to see it over seven and a bit seasons.
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Mentioned it in the vfl thread but the fact they moved Bauer back recently makes me think a move for Gibcus forward might be on the cards
But if the long term plan is to replace Lynch with a big fish type player I wouldn’t bother targeting anyone as a stop gap
Maybe wait 12 months and see what we have with Ryan, Gibcus, Bauer and Bradtke afterwards we can start to back end any big fish contracts with Lynch’s one finishing up
Where have i ever mentioned HH is an Elite foward ?
I have only ever said that he would be an ideal jack Riewoldt replacement to play that 2nd foward role to compliment Tom Lynch
You keep mentioning the 'Right Guy' how would anybody really know who is the right guy
I asked you the question on who you would prefer but you decided to throw up 6 names that just about all are unattainable in the next 2-3 years and if they were would require trade assets we dont have.
There is a reason why i am happy to go for HH and the main reasons are he fills a need and doesnt require a trade and or over $1 mil x 7 years
But if we want to dream and just pull out names the sure lets get Harry , Charlie & Naughton
But thats not available
Give me 1 maybe 2 players that you actually believe we have either the assets or cash to be in a position to get in the next 1-2 years
Was mentioned on the radio that Treacy was struggling to get goals in the WAFL and thats why he cant get a game for freo
the way its looking Treacy has just as much a chance to be a 100 game player in the AFL as Bradtke
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I wouldn't be against going after Serong from Freo, but I dont know anything about his situation ie contracts etc.
Freos forward line is atrocious and Treacy can't get a game. Doing nothing in the WAFL. Delisted free agent at best.
It’s clear that we won’t agree on this which is fine. But I also believe we are starting to go around and around in circles.
I get it that you want specific players and specific deals etc. and then try and prove that anyone mentioned will be unavailable in 2-3 seasons or aren’t as good as Himmelberg.
But how can you be so sure? A lot happens in the AFL every season. Players can come on unexpectedly. Players become available where they previously may not. There has been so much player movement over the last few seasons, who would have thought that 12 months after Brody Grundy signed his massive contract he’d be traded for a second round pick?
Likewise, who knows what assets or cash we will have in two seasons time? It’s useless to speculate.
You seem to want HH because he fills a need, doesn’t require a trade or on big money. That’s fine. But I also don’t think he is the right guy. You say he isn’t an elite forward? Then why would you spend your suggested $750k over five for a guy that isn’t one?
You say he is a second forward and ideal Jack Riewoldt replacement. That’s fine, but I don’t agree. I haven’t seen it in his career to date as a pure forward. And it isn’t like he hasn’t been given that opportunity or played with some very good forwards at GWS.
How do we know who is the right guy? How do we know if one will ever come available? We can’t. But you’re talking about is spending a large some of money over the medium-to-long term on a guy who I think is definitively not the right guy simply because he is available.
I’m not a big king fan, either of them ,at over 1m pa which is likely what they’d command it’s about double what they’re worth ,,, both of them , I’m hoping we’re focusing on other options
I understand exactly what you are saying but my basic question still stands unanswered
You cannot just sit on your hands in the the hope 'something may just happen'
You need to constantly be trying to improve your team and compete to play finals and win finals and this remains the priority for other players to want to come to your club.
With only Tom Lynch and a couple of unknown kids we will just falter in the foward line and not be competitive and just fizzle out into the club we once were with no talent and not playing finals.
In 2 years we will have both Lynch & Martin salaries off the cap and likely to lose Grimes , Riewoldt , Cotchin , Prestia , Tarrant and possibly 2-3 more
Thats alot of cash freed up in the cap and not a great deal of draft picks to replace these players with so you need to 'Buy' talent to remain relevant
We currently have alot invested into Miller , Bradtke , Bauer & Ryan to hopefully become a foward but thats jus wishfull thinking and may never become good replacements - We need 2 KPF coming into the club and HH is the perfect option as the 2nd KPF
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How do we get him? He’d be RFA as a minimum and Tony Cochrane is a campaigner to deal with
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Reality is that all clubs would be talking to player managers and have a better understanding that either of us will in terms of who and what could be available and when that could be.
Those discussions will impact the ultimate decisions etc. and so I can’t see us sitting on our hands.
I am sure we have a few plans up our sleeve for both the post Riewoldt and post Lynch world.
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Tony Cochrane has nothing to do with the Suns. We’d be dealing with Wayne Campbell.
Went to the Suns Lol Norf game tonight. King looks to be finding his mojo. Kicked 5. Didn’t realise he had now kicked 103 goals from 59 games. Not a bad return for a young key forward playing in that side.
And this is where the problem is with the king's
5 years
Ben King 59 games
Max King 60 Games
What I want to know is why Allen always gets the Oscar in front, yet all the others don't get their first names? It's not like there's any other Allens in the comp as far as I know? All the commentators do it too.
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Been very good this year. Not an answer to your question, though.
Yes, HH would be a decent get R2R, I agree there.
With regards targeting others though, you need to have faith in Blair Hartley. He’s always planning out to 5 years ahead, trust me on that.
He will have plans in place for sure, and I’m confident an attainable Lynch replacement option has been identified.
I think we are doing ok with the transition from our premiership era personally. We are only 5 games into this season and side is yet to really gell, hard with the amount of injuries we are copping. We will be ok I reckon.
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Have faith in Blair.Knows how to get things done.Hasn't Kochrane left the suns?
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Stats don't favour HH like you think they do...
I already showed you stats where bloody Tabernar was better statistically (and structurally IMO) than HH and we all agreed Tabernar was sh!t
We don't just have to get HH because he's the best FA available, heck, we don't have to bring anyone to the club this year if we think they are overpriced, not what we want, or we simply don't have the draft capital.
If HH is so good, and you think he would come in and play the JR role, then why has he never been able to hold down that role at GWS???
The last thing we want to do right now is trade away more draft capital for a gun, expensive tall forward.
We've already lost, and/or are about to lose, and/or are getting much lower impact from, and/or will probably lose within a couple of years:
Rance, Astbury, Houli, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Grimes, Dusty, Prestia, Vlastuin, Pickett, Lynch, Broad.
Nankervis is beaten up and probably only has a few seasons left, too.
We have absolutely zero depth.
We just recruited two gun (questionable) midfielders who will be pushing 30 by the time we're likely in a half-decent position again.
I think we're in big, big trouble.
I maintain that we've made a horrible mistake drafting too many flankers as we just don't have another group of inside midfielders that are anywhere near good enough to dominate their position. Ross and to a lesser (currently) degree Sonsie are the only decent midfielders outside the 22, and I don't have the confidence that they'll be able to carry us once we lose a few of the above players. I know we haven't had a top 5 pick in a while to get a gun midfielder, but you can still fluke gems anywhere in the draft, and we've spent most of our picks on flankers/outside players. FAR too many picks. It really is classic Richmond.
I think we just need to hit the draft for a few years. See how we go with the current crop and the kids we draft in the next couple of years, and worst case we may even have to trade Taranto and/or Hopper back out again, as I don't think we'll be in a window whilst they're in their prime, so we're better off getting some decent picks back for them if we can.
Things can turn around quickly I know, but right now I'm not seeing it in any of our depth, and a lot of our best 22 players are spent.
We've already lost, and/or are about to lose, and/or are getting much lower impact from, and/or will probably lose within a couple of years:
Rance, Astbury, Houli, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Grimes, Dusty, Prestia, Vlastuin, Pickett, Lynch, Broad.
Nankervis is beaten up and probably only has a few seasons left, too.
We have absolutely zero depth.
We just recruited two gun (questionable) midfielders who will be pushing 30 by the time we're likely in a half-decent position again.
I think we're in big, big trouble.
I maintain that we've made a horrible mistake drafting too many flankers as we just don't have another group of inside midfielders that are anywhere near good enough to dominate their position. Ross and to a lesser (currently) degree Sonsie are the only decent midfielders outside the 22, and I don't have the confidence that they'll be able to carry us once we lose a few of the above players. I know we haven't had a top 5 pick in a while to get a gun midfielder, but you can still fluke gems anywhere in the draft, and we've spent most of our picks on flankers/outside players. FAR too many picks. It really is classic Richmond.
I think we just need to hit the draft for a few years. See how we go with the current crop and the kids we draft in the next couple of years, and worst case we may even have to trade Taranto and/or Hopper back out again, as I don't think we'll be in a window whilst they're in their prime, so we're better off getting some decent picks back for them if we can.
Things can turn around quickly I know, but right now I'm not seeing it in any of our depth, and a lot of our best 22 players are spent.
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