List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 8
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Any chance of picking up a Stengle, Acres, Sharp type for free or **** all this year? That'd be nice.
Oops ... we better add a wing onto the new stand development for the Eddie Betts Foundation then
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Geelong attract players because they give them acres....
If we exit 8-9 players I think 5 draftees , 3 trades as in <23yo. Fahey from gws , must be a few more not getting opportunities
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We need 2-3 solid years of drafting and we need to be picking from the pointy end.
Looking at the Hawks they have a nice young side but Will Day is their only player you would say is going to be a star. They're over achieving which will peak them at middle of the table. You actually need to be either really good or really poor. North will fly past Hawthorn.
Looking at the Hawks they have a nice young side but Will Day is their only player you would say is going to be a star. They're over achieving which will peak them at middle of the table. You actually need to be either really good or really poor. North will fly past Hawthorn.
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I actually hate this equalisation bullshite, its a farce
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Yeah but We'll give them each 20 bricks in the brick by brick rebuildGeelong attract players because they give them acres....
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Who is your 8-9?
I'd guess the below as more or less certainties:
Grimes
McIntosh
Collina
Prestia
Naismith
Coulthard
Pickett (but likely 1 more year)
Dusty (his call obviously)
Graham (Free agent)
Baker (Heartbreaking trade)
It's such a deep cut if we go that route (excluding Collina who is a free hit), but times up for a lot of these guys. Picking 5 players in the ND would flashes of 2021 draft, if we nail it and all our guys from 2021 come good (this is a big possibility) that's half a side right there, will take a few years to get established.
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Its just occurred to me that meehan loves the players so much he orchestrated ACLs so the club can't delist them. Unfortunately he spilled gatorade on the list and it was all ruined so he just picked a bunch at random
Ten out and five in. Where do we get the extra 5 players
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For 6 months.
I hope you're right.
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It’s going to make it tough.
They’ll probably all play some time during the 25 season, what’s an ACL? 9-12 months
Naismith, delisted.
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Don't think we got them as rentals.
They're both already better than nearly everyone else playing vfl so 2 need to go there.
Oh shit not another one
Yeah its gonna be a novel...... But this would be my plan around Free Agency.
As the season goes on, its becoming clearer to me that our biggest hole right now is in our leadership.
Benny has basically gone MIA & in the very recent history we have lost Rance, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Astbury, Houli, Lambert, Edwards, Dimma, Mini, McRae, Leppa, Peggy, Balmey & replaced them with...... who exactly?
Adem is not a natural leader from his first 3 months in charge. He seems almost shy. Like a lovely guy, but shy, unsure, nervous. Certainly is not a natural when it comes to public speaking. It's his biggest room for improvement moving forward i think.
The guys we empowered to be our captains - Nank & Grimes, bot saw their physical capabilities fall off a cliff which immediately undermined their ability to lead effectively. Of our better younger players, only Baker really has anything close to a "leadership" badge.
The club desperately needs genuine leadership. Or at least older players that have a wealth of experience to provide onfield experience to our structures. Looking through the list of FA's, its a tough year to be in that market. Can always trade of course, perhaps take a older player being overpaid to absorb capspace for another team to make a deal, but we really need some ring-in generals. None of our 27+ players have stood up in that area tbh.
Because of this i think the club needs to do something i almost NEVER endorse to do. Get old guys in for cheap 1-2 year contracts. Ironically, this is the situation i would go after a Robbie Tarrant.
I'm not sure where Markov is at with Collingwood, but he appears to be a UFA. I think he would be pretty gettable for the right number as Collingwood would be restricted with cap-space must like we were in 2019 with Brandon Ellis.
Always liked Markov. Was disappointed to see him go. He had personality & played with it. He seemed to mesh well with the club and thought there was no ill feelings there. Just no roles with a dynasty backline. This would especially be a good move if we do infact trade Rioli to the suns as whispers suggest. If we could trade out Rioli for 2 x 1st round picks or something involving Moyle & then replace Markov for nothing but cap space, thats a solid gain for the club i think.
And on that note, i'd probably consider doing the same with Brandon Ellis. Out of favour at the Gold Coast & Dimma. His form has dropped off, but he is only 30. He was a great Tiger & was Short & Bakers mentor & best mate. I also think he did a good job at the suns when they were having tough times, he showed character and leadership i thought. If Baker stays i think its almost certain he is appointed Captain. It would be great for him to have Brandon back at that moment & perhaps it can help get Short back into the right headspace.
Feels crazy to be suggesting 2 former players, but looking at the FA list they showed up. And i jujst feel the club needs to do what it can to get competitive as fast as possible, without spending draft picks. Just get short-term seasoned replacements to move on who needs to move on & still play the core of our best kids & not be pummelled.
Never thought i would say this, but would consider making an offer to Membrey as long as its not a long one, ie 2-3 years. Our forward-line is way pathetic & if Dusty does indeed retire, we are in deep shit. Membrey is 29 and kicked nearly 300 goals at AFL level & is 15 from 11 this year. He is not the type of guy you win flags with, but he a good option when your sniffing for picks.
Nick Haynes is another one i would consider on a 1 year contract, with the hope that he fits in well and still has 1 more left in him. 200 gamer - 193cm defender. Same with Marchbank. Injury-prone is the issue, but if we got both he & Haynes, we would have the depth to see if we can get him right. Astbury was much the same until he got his body right.
We need to make clinical decisions on what we have & move on to new options as much as possible where required. I think the club has the potential to be really really undermanned over the next 3 years as i think its completely realistic to think that Dusty, Grimes, Prestia, Pickett, KMac, Lynch, Graham all perhaps never play another game for us beyond 24-25. We all know the young guys we have atm are not elite prospects, so there is no way we are going to replace those guys internally. We need to "Troy Chaplin" this shit, but all over the ground. Not to win games, but to ensure our percentage is somewhere in the 80's% not 50%
Effectively, the next 3 years recruiting strategy should be "elite" potential kids & veteran "pain sponges" that are looking for that extra year their current club wont commit to.
As the season goes on, its becoming clearer to me that our biggest hole right now is in our leadership.
Benny has basically gone MIA & in the very recent history we have lost Rance, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Astbury, Houli, Lambert, Edwards, Dimma, Mini, McRae, Leppa, Peggy, Balmey & replaced them with...... who exactly?
Adem is not a natural leader from his first 3 months in charge. He seems almost shy. Like a lovely guy, but shy, unsure, nervous. Certainly is not a natural when it comes to public speaking. It's his biggest room for improvement moving forward i think.
The guys we empowered to be our captains - Nank & Grimes, bot saw their physical capabilities fall off a cliff which immediately undermined their ability to lead effectively. Of our better younger players, only Baker really has anything close to a "leadership" badge.
The club desperately needs genuine leadership. Or at least older players that have a wealth of experience to provide onfield experience to our structures. Looking through the list of FA's, its a tough year to be in that market. Can always trade of course, perhaps take a older player being overpaid to absorb capspace for another team to make a deal, but we really need some ring-in generals. None of our 27+ players have stood up in that area tbh.
Because of this i think the club needs to do something i almost NEVER endorse to do. Get old guys in for cheap 1-2 year contracts. Ironically, this is the situation i would go after a Robbie Tarrant.
I'm not sure where Markov is at with Collingwood, but he appears to be a UFA. I think he would be pretty gettable for the right number as Collingwood would be restricted with cap-space must like we were in 2019 with Brandon Ellis.
Always liked Markov. Was disappointed to see him go. He had personality & played with it. He seemed to mesh well with the club and thought there was no ill feelings there. Just no roles with a dynasty backline. This would especially be a good move if we do infact trade Rioli to the suns as whispers suggest. If we could trade out Rioli for 2 x 1st round picks or something involving Moyle & then replace Markov for nothing but cap space, thats a solid gain for the club i think.
And on that note, i'd probably consider doing the same with Brandon Ellis. Out of favour at the Gold Coast & Dimma. His form has dropped off, but he is only 30. He was a great Tiger & was Short & Bakers mentor & best mate. I also think he did a good job at the suns when they were having tough times, he showed character and leadership i thought. If Baker stays i think its almost certain he is appointed Captain. It would be great for him to have Brandon back at that moment & perhaps it can help get Short back into the right headspace.
Feels crazy to be suggesting 2 former players, but looking at the FA list they showed up. And i jujst feel the club needs to do what it can to get competitive as fast as possible, without spending draft picks. Just get short-term seasoned replacements to move on who needs to move on & still play the core of our best kids & not be pummelled.
Never thought i would say this, but would consider making an offer to Membrey as long as its not a long one, ie 2-3 years. Our forward-line is way pathetic & if Dusty does indeed retire, we are in deep shit. Membrey is 29 and kicked nearly 300 goals at AFL level & is 15 from 11 this year. He is not the type of guy you win flags with, but he a good option when your sniffing for picks.
Nick Haynes is another one i would consider on a 1 year contract, with the hope that he fits in well and still has 1 more left in him. 200 gamer - 193cm defender. Same with Marchbank. Injury-prone is the issue, but if we got both he & Haynes, we would have the depth to see if we can get him right. Astbury was much the same until he got his body right.
We need to make clinical decisions on what we have & move on to new options as much as possible where required. I think the club has the potential to be really really undermanned over the next 3 years as i think its completely realistic to think that Dusty, Grimes, Prestia, Pickett, KMac, Lynch, Graham all perhaps never play another game for us beyond 24-25. We all know the young guys we have atm are not elite prospects, so there is no way we are going to replace those guys internally. We need to "Troy Chaplin" this shit, but all over the ground. Not to win games, but to ensure our percentage is somewhere in the 80's% not 50%
Effectively, the next 3 years recruiting strategy should be "elite" potential kids & veteran "pain sponges" that are looking for that extra year their current club wont commit to.
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Agree, I can see them both being on the list next season.
I don’t think too many msd selections get chopped after 6 months?
Green would be lucky to hold on I’d say
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They do but have to pay them more as compo. Teams seem to pick more for the future now so give them time.
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