List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 8

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List Mgmt. - Trade & Free Agency Part 9

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[GhostofJimJess]

GC have a lot of talent and will be a let's go all in for the premiership mode, so we could get a bit for him. It would be a loss for our team but 2 top 15 picks and maybe a player, and maybe MRJ going up there too I'd the riolis want to stay together.

The other thing to consider is do they have academy players again I think? Means later picks back could be in the mix for another early pick. By all accounts this is the last year to do it as the draft rules could change next year so we should take advantage now

It could end up the 2 riolis going to GC, along with picks for points for academy players, and lots coming back our way being early picks and maybe a player in a position they have a surplus of. Anyone know much about their VFL?

I'd really want to keep Maurice. He's his own man and is only 21, so is definitely in our next premiership plans.

Could even turn out better than Dan in the long run - certainly not a player to be discarded at this stage.

 

[Bird Man]

I'd really want to keep Maurice. He's his own man and is only 21, so is definitely in our next premiership plans.

Could even turn out better than Dan in the long run - certainly not a player to be discarded at this stage.

I have seen nothing to indicate he will be as good or better than his cousin. He is constantly overweight and not fit enough to run a full afl game.

If we can get some draft capital then I would take it

 

[Karp3_dm]

Never really been any question about that Karp, whatever his form is on any given weekend.

Watching the Suns yesterday, they are desperate for a Rioli, Saad (ironically), Blakey type to provide that powerful run, bounce and deliver off half back.

Given Dimma's history with Dan, and his desperate need to furnish this attribute within his squad, the Suns could quite conceivably part with two Top 10-12 draft picks for him.

I think that has to be the minimum price now
Last night just put an exclamation on that for me

 

[tora tora tora]

Never really been any question about that Karp, whatever his form is on any given weekend.

Watching the Suns yesterday, they are desperate for a Rioli, Saad (ironically), Blakey type to provide that powerful run, bounce and deliver off half back.

Given Dimma's history with Dan, and his desperate need to furnish this attribute within his squad, the Suns could quite conceivably part with two Top 10-12 draft picks for him.

I watched a team that couldn't hit the side of a barn. 14.5 to 6.14. How does Dan Rioli screaming out of the backline help to help Ben King leaving them OOF?

See what happens, if the Suns think he's the missing piece good luck to us

 

[GhostofJimJess]

I watched a team that couldn't hit the side of a barn. 14.5 to 6.14. How does Dan Rioli screaming out of the backline help to help Ben King leaving them OOF?

See what happens, if the Suns think he's the missing piece good luck to us

Teams have those days of inaccuracy, especially at windy exposed venues like Giants Stadium yesterday. Suns booted 26.8 against Geelong coupla months back, so swings and roundabouts.

Not sure occasional skewiff goalkicking will impact the Suns list manager's requirement to get some serious dash into their rebound footy.

Anyway, I hope we hang onto Dan. I like watching him play footy in our guernsey.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Yze to get Clayton Oliver across for a future 3rd rounder

You sniffin Oliver's product ?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

We won't PSD him on North after the CCJ deal. It will be interesting to see what his value is in a trade. I thought a pick in the 20's earlier in the season, but North keep dropping him to the VFL, so the value is likely to be reduced from that level. But take a line through Butler(traded for a 60's pick), Koschitzke(40's pick) guys of a similar age who were fringe players at their team. Phillips is an inside mid and was highly rated as a junior, he would surely be worth more than either of those players despite being uncontracted.

Just wait for norf too delist.

 

[TigerTime88]

GC got any young players in the magoos worth looking at?

 

[partycorolla]

Riolis value went up a notch after last night

He is elite

His first half was elite but his direct opponent (Houston who was loose down the other end) was arguably more damaging. More score involvements but Dan did kick 2 himself.

 

[Dragonbait0o0]

Tiger71 has there been anymore updates about baker?

 

[panatha1908]

They have a lot of older types like fiorini and tsatas. Their younger players are maybe equal and will go past them, I think they will be looking for a bit of a clean up at the end of the year to fit in the academy talent coming in +the missing pieces. I don't think I saw anything we would take to improve us. If anything they are delist or salary dump sort of players.

 

[tora tora tora]

Teams have those days of inaccuracy, especially at windy exposed venues like Giants Stadium yesterday. Suns booted 26.8 against Geelong coupla months back, so swings and roundabouts.

Not sure occasional skewiff goalkicking will impact the Suns list manager's requirement to get some serious dash into their rebound footy.

Anyway, I hope we hang onto Dan. I like watching him play footy in our guernsey.

Vs Giants.
Anderson, Holman, Collins ran 14+kms
Holman, Anderson: 2.8, 2.9 kms at high speed
Sprints : L. Johntson HBF 29; Holman 22 Wing
Repeat sprints: L.Johnston 10, Clohesy, Weller, Uwland HBF 3 each

D. Rioli, in the backline vs Freo for example is quicker at 33.8km/h
but only 24 sprints.

Got some running power there. Ainsworth is injured. Silver medallist at 15km/h average speed

Shove Holman to HBF with Johnston?

 

[panatha1908]

Massive talk on GC site discussing Rioli and Dusty and pro's and cons of taking the picks of the draft versus trading for them. Their preferred option is Houston. Trade

 

[tigs2010]

Vs Giants.
Anderson, Holman, Collins ran 14+kms
Holman, Anderson: 2.8, 2.9 kms at high speed
Sprints : L. Johntson HBF 29; Holman 22 Wing
Repeat sprints: L.Johnston 10, Clohesy, Weller, Uwland HBF 3 each

D. Rioli, in the backline vs Freo for example is quicker at 33.8km/h
but only 24 sprints.

Got some running power there. Ainsworth is injured. Silver medallist at 15km/h average speed

Shove Holman to HBF with Johnston?

Rioli is a gun footballer. Johnston is young but Holman is poor

 

[Bojangles17]

Massive talk on GC site discussing Rioli and Dusty and pro's and cons of taking the picks of the draft versus trading for them. Their preferred option is Houston. Trade

It’s ran by bots

 

[Dragonss]

If we get Phillips reasonably cheap he is a no brainer for mine. He comes from the house that Jack built. Jack....

....Ziebell that is. So will will have some inside knowledge at our club.

At worst he is midfield depth better than Dow. He seems to have the ability to tag effectively. But he has potential upside, he has definitely been hampered by injuries. If we can get him for say a pick in the 30's, you have to take a punt on him. Possibly even worth a pick in the 20's.

Excerpt on Will Phillips in his draft year. Looks like just another Dow.

POSITION: Inside Midfielder

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Phillips is arguably the best pure midfielder available in this year's pool; a clean, tough, and complete ball winner who remains ultra-consistent." - Michael Alvaro

Will Phillips' list of accolades runs deep and proves exactly why he is regarded a top five prospect heading into the 2020 AFL Draft, even without contributing any top-age football. The Oakleigh midfielder lays claim to an illustrious junior career; including the 2017 JL Williams Medal, Under 16 Vic Metro MVP award in 2018, and a 2019 NAB League premiership with the Chargers. Having developed alongside the likes of Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson in last year's flag-winning team, Phillips has continually been able to hold his own alongside the best of the best, even becoming one of the rare bottom-agers to represent the stacked Under 18 Vic Metro side of 2019. He has also starred in every showcase fixture possible, making him one of the first choices for the most recent AFL Academy intake, and subsequently the 2020 National Draft Combine. Phillips was looking to take over as a leader at Oakleigh and for Caulfield Grammar in the APS competition, boasting such a complete game and outstanding resume thus far. He looms as a top five lock.

STRENGTHS:

• Contested ball
• Clean hands
• Acceleration
• Accumulation
• Consistency
• Tackling
• Strength

IMPROVEMENTS:

• Expanding versatility
• Repeat run/contest attendance

Phillips is hardly the player you would expect to put forward a flashy highlight reel, but everything he does in a pure footballing sense is nothing short of elite. The stoppages are where he shines, able to extract the ball at will and accumulate possessions at a tireless rate each game. Phillips' contested acumen is top notch, as he so often finds a way to be first to the ball and gather it cleanly under duress. His one-touch ability is key to much of his success, while clean disposals on the exit of congestion put his side right on the front foot. He also competes defensively, laying strong tackles and cutting across his opponents to effect timely smothers. As a midfielder, Phillips does just about everything you could ask for at the contest.

At 180cm, some would question Phillips' ability to translate such inside prominence at AFL level. He cuts a thick figure though, strong through the legs and core. One should only look to how Matt Rowell adjusted to senior football at a virtually identical size, and that the current Brownlow Medallist measures up at 177cm to allay such concerns. Phillips has all the nous required to find the ball at whatever level he is playing at. He may not be lightning quick, but has just enough acceleration in his five-step burst to spring out of stoppages and release the ball with ease. His vision and awareness in tight spaces are incredibly good too, allowing him to find the best option available each time.

In 2019, Phillips averaged 22.1 disposals across his 10 NAB League outings, with over two-thirds of them coming via hand. Again, that kind of ratio can lazily be seen as a knock on his output or impact, but is not truly indicative of either. Phillips' efficiency on the inside, particularly by hand, would be an invaluable asset to any midfield. An engine room requires that reliable extractor to win first possession and release others - Phillips does just that. With his bursts away from congestion, he can also get to the outer and showcase his dual-sided skills by foot, which are typically clean in the short-range and on the move. He can chain together his possessions too, working one-two plays through the middle to figure out a way forward.

As far as improvements go, we enter the realm of nit-picking when it comes to such high-level talents as Phillips. During preseason, the man himself said he wanted to improve on attending as many contests as possible, hinting at expanding his running capacity in order to do so. His 2km time trial effort of 6:38 at the National Combine was quite solid, and will allow Phillips to gain an even greater balance of inside and outside influence. The chain-possession trait he boasts is a good platform to grow off and Phillips has already been tried on the outer with Oakleigh, starting on the wing as the likes of Rowell, Anderson, and co. went to work.

Looking further at versatility and balance, while Phillips has cut his teeth on both sides of midfield thus far, some may also want to see how he fares on other lines. His scoreboard impact on paper is not overly impressive (three goals in 10 games last year), but Phillips certainly knows how to find the goals once given the opportunity. As he has shown in big games and showcase fixtures, Phillips' finishing is indicative of his overall class. Again, this factor reverts back to his balance away from the contest, where if he can find the ball in wider expanses, his attributes will be able to shine even brighter. He is just so dominant on the inside though, and backs himself in to win each contest. Had he been given the opportunity to improve on that in 2020, Phillips could well have entered Rowell territory as the clear number one choice in this year's draft class, such is his consistency and natural footballing ability.

DRAFT PROJECTION: 1-6

As the clear number one proven and pure midfield option in this year's draft, Phillips looks likely to be taken within the top five picks. The 1-6 projection takes into account potential bids for academy talent and favouritism towards key position stocks around the same range. Clubs may also look for taller, more prototypical modern day midfielders within the top 10, but it is difficult to see Phillips slipping much further than the top five. He has enough runs on the board to suggest he could even end up as one of the top two or three players out of the 2020 pool, as he looks a locked-on 200-game AFL player. As it stands, he could link up with a couple of his former Oakleigh teammates at Gold Coast with pick five, but he would also suit clubs like Sydney and Hawthorn going forward. They hold picks three and four respectively.

 

[Coach_Required]

It’s ran by bots

One of those bots thinks Rioli is a B grade HBF LOL

Love to know who he thinks is A grade then.

 

[Noidnadroj]

I don't see North enough to know him . But dropped again I notice. Better than Dow he may be, I was staggered that Dow got selected again for the Port game. Graham & Baker have been tagging lately. When Graham's back he'll do that again.

So they will be ahead of Phillips.

Spend pick in the 20s on a player, they're best 22.

Depends on our trades I suppose, I can't see Graham going anywhere.

I'd rather spend any draft capital on KPFs,

Josh Caddy averaged 20 touches and 1.2 goals per game in 2016 for the Cats and we acquired him with a 20’s pick. No way I’d support offering a 20’s pick for someone not absolutely best-22. A 40+ pick and nothing more.


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[THE_GUN]

Never really been any question about that Karp, whatever his form is on any given weekend.

Watching the Suns yesterday, they are desperate for a Rioli, Saad (ironically), Blakey type to provide that powerful run, bounce and deliver off half back.

Given Dimma's history with Dan, and his desperate need to furnish this attribute within his squad, the Suns could quite conceivably part with two Top 10-12 draft picks for him.

And we should jump at that

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Josh Caddy averaged 20 touches and 1.2 goals per game in 2016 for the Cats and we acquired him with a 20’s pick. No way I’d support offering a 20’s pick for someone not absolutely best-22. A 40+ pick and nothing more.


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Caddy was 24yo and playing in a top 4 type team at the time.

Phillips will be just 22 and is playing in a bottom 4 team.

By the same age Caddy hadn't really outdone the best that Phillips has done to this point. And Phillips is known to have been hampered by illness and injuries. He is capable of being a tidy little player Phillips, has a profile we need urgently, inside midfielder, and will appreciate playing beside some of our bigger bodied guys. He is only being pushed out of the North team by super talented players and someone like Simpkin now. He is not worth giving up a first rounder for, but well worth taking a punt with any pick below that.

 

[tora tora tora]

Caddy was 24yo and playing in a top 4 type team at the time.

Phillips will be just 22 and is playing in a bottom 4 team.

By the same age Caddy hadn't really outdone the best that Phillips has done to this point. And Phillips is known to have been hampered by illness and injuries. He is capable of being a tidy little player Phillips, has a profile we need urgently, inside midfielder, and will appreciate playing beside some of our bigger bodied guys. He is only being pushed out of the North team by super talented players and someone like Simpkin now. He is not worth giving up a first rounder for, but well worth taking a punt with any pick below that.

At this stage it looks like Prestia is playing next year. Alongside Hopper & Taranto. And whoever stays out of Baker, Graham Dow, Bolton becoming the midfield. Dow if he stays will be cheap depth for a year.
Plus Jagga Smith 181cm running around in the VFL. Same height as Phillips got a ton of the ball.
I'd rather go for another gun kid mid out of the draft. See what happens with all the pick swaps but any pick of ours will have value when traded this year or next. I don't see the Philips trade happening.

Any trade these days is 3 years.

 

[Magic17]

One of those bots thinks Rioli is a B grade HBF LOL

Love to know who he thinks is A grade then.

Probably AA champion Darcy Byrne-Jones

 

[Joker91]

If Dan does go we have to make sure Maurice isn’t included in the deal.

Shown some really good signs early this year that he can be an elite small forward.

 

[SplintWhisky]

We won't PSD him on North after the CCJ deal. It will be interesting to see what his value is in a trade. I thought a pick in the 20's earlier in the season, but North keep dropping him to the VFL, so the value is likely to be reduced from that level. But take a line through Butler(traded for a 60's pick), Koschitzke(40's pick) guys of a similar age who were fringe players at their team. Phillips is an inside mid and was highly rated as a junior, he would surely be worth more than either of those players despite being uncontracted.

He was highly rated but was a Melbourne COVID kid so it was mainly based on his U17 data. There is a good to high chance that he would of slid back in his U18 year or he has just stalled progress and will never get back on track after having nothing at North.

 

[SplintWhisky]

Never really been any question about that Karp, whatever his form is on any given weekend.

Watching the Suns yesterday, they are desperate for a Rioli, Saad (ironically), Blakey type to provide that powerful run, bounce and deliver off half back.

Given Dimma's history with Dan, and his desperate need to furnish this attribute within his squad, the Suns could quite conceivably part with two Top 10-12 draft picks for him.

When Dimma said "80% of the clubs next flag are already on the list" he really ment it. Now he just needs to find that last 20% of all Half Back Flankers and his side is sorted.

Really surprised Rowell hasn't been put there yet.