Trade Talk

[kira]

Re: Possible trade targets besides Didak & Kerr?

personally i would only go after wojinscki from the above

but i would like to see the club chase after prismall and warnock... unlikely... but every other uncontracted player seems to be linked with us, why not them

 

[balldman]

Re: Possible trade targets besides Didak & Kerr?

I'd like to see us go for Patfull but not the others:

Varcoe: Not really what we need
Wojinscki: Great pace but poor skills (Maybe)
Scott Stevens: Too old and wont want to come back to Sydney
McPhee: Too old/Not what we need
Winderlich: See Wojinski

I agree with RUNVS on Roughead.

Some others to think about:

Roe
Boyle
Sherman

Kerr & Didak are a whole 1 year younger than Stevens & wouldn't see you getting screwed with "sweetner deals".More than likely a 3rd round pick or a straight player swap,McVeigh or Buchanan.
Kane Tenace could take Leo's number when he goes. 21

 

[bedford]

Re: Kerr & Didak

Kerr looked completely uninterested this year. When West Coast were not playing well they needed Kerr to lift and set a example, instead he sulked about not being in a competitive team and got himself suspended doing something incredibly stupid. We dont need a guy who will give up when the chips are down and we certainly dont need a guy who is going to get suspended all the time.

McVeigh did play well in quite afew big games this year and trading McVeigh plus a high pick for Kerr would be madness.

Do you want to win another flag or just finish 5th to 10th and tell me the big games McVeigh played well in, certainly not Friday night. not against the cats ,magpies or other big bodied teams.

 

[MF]

Re: Possible trade targets besides Didak & Kerr?

Kerr & Didak are a whole 1 year younger than Stevens & wouldn't see you getting screwed with "sweetner deals".More than likely a 3rd round pick or a straight player swap,McVeigh or Buchanan.
Kane Tenace could take Leo's number when he goes. 21

I didn't realise Stevens was that young. Always assumed he must have been 28/29 by now as it seemed like ages ago that he was a swan. Still not really interested in him though.

 

[MF]

Re: Kerr & Didak

Do you want to win another flag or just finish 5th to 10th and tell me the big games McVeigh played well in, certainly not Friday night. not against the cats ,magpies or other big bodied teams.

What did he do wrong on Friday night Bedford? He showed a lot of poise and class in the middle of the ground and racked up 20 touches. I can't recall any mistakes that stick out in my mind, maybe you do?

 

[RUNVS]

Re: Kerr & Didak

Do you want to win another flag or just finish 5th to 10th and tell me the big games McVeigh played well in, certainly not Friday night. not against the cats ,magpies or other big bodied teams.

OK im defining big games as either close matches or against hard opponents.

Round 6 vs North Melbourne
Round 9 vs Port Adelaide
Round 11 vs West Coast
Round 16 vs Carlton
Round 18 vs Western Bulldgos
Second Elimination Final vs North Melbourne

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-sydney-swans--jarrad-mcveigh

 

[MF]

Re: Kerr & Didak

OK im defining big games as either close matches or against hard opponents.

Round 6 vs North Melbourne
Round 9 vs Port Adelaide
Round 11 vs West Coast
Round 16 vs Carlton
Round 18 vs Western Bulldgos
Second Elimination Final vs North Melbourne

He was one of our best round 6 against the cats too. That was a pretty big game.

As for the other big games.... It's not like McVeigh was one of our worst.

 

[bedford]

Re: Kerr & Didak

OK im defining big games as either close matches or against hard opponents.

Round 6 vs North Melbourne
Round 9 vs Port Adelaide
Round 11 vs West Coast
Round 16 vs Carlton
Round 18 vs Western Bulldgos
Second Elimination Final vs North Melbourne

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-sydney-swans--jarrad-mcveigh

Not many toughies in that lot Runvs

 

[bedford]

Re: Kerr & Didak

What did he do wrong on Friday night Bedford? He showed a lot of poise and class in the middle of the ground and racked up 20 touches. I can't recall any mistakes that stick out in my mind, maybe you do?

Lack of footy nous when he didn't play after that mark then went back and kicked a behind also didn't chase Griffen to well when he kicked that great goal.
Anyhow MF i was really only bringing him up as the sort of player the Weagles would want as part of a deal.

 

[BarneyBent]

Re: Kerr & Didak

Do you want to win another flag or just finish 5th to 10th and tell me the big games McVeigh played well in, certainly not Friday night. not against the cats ,magpies or other big bodied teams.

Did you forget the first match against the Cats? 23 disposals and a goal.

Plenty of players didn't play well in both Pies matches.

McVeigh also had 20 disposals, 6 marks and a goal, and 28 disposals, 6 marks, 6 tackles and a goal, in the two matches against now-Preliminary finalists St. Kilda.

He was respectable with 18 disposals and a goal against Hawthorn.

He DOMINATED in his H&A games against the Western Bulldogs, and was more than handy in the Semi Final against them, with 20 disposals, 6 marks and a goal.

He was very good against North in the Qualifying final as well, with 25 disposals and a goal.

This "McVeigh is not a big game player" perception is entirely myth. Two bad games against Collingwood and one bad game against Geelong have made people forget about all his good performances against top sides.

 

[BarneyBent]

I think we should look very hard at a package deal from Geelong: Varcoe and Hawkins.

We need speed, Varcoe has that, and he has great ball-handling skills. He'll be able to take handpasses at his feet all day long! He is also a very good tackler, which would match our style of play nicely.

Hawkins is the big young body we need in the forwardline. He is currently behind Lonergan and Gamble in the second-string-key-forward pecking order. Nathan Ablett calling it quits won't have helped our cause in getting Hawkins, but you'd expect him to still be looking for more opportunity elsewhere.

 

[BIGBEZ]

I think we should look very hard at a package deal from Geelong: Varcoe and Hawkins.

We need speed, Varcoe has that, and he has great ball-handling skills. He'll be able to take handpasses at his feet all day long! He is also a very good tackler, which would match our style of play nicely.

Hawkins is the big young body we need in the forwardline. He is currently behind Lonergan and Gamble in the second-string-key-forward pecking order. Nathan Ablett calling it quits won't have helped our cause in getting Hawkins, but you'd expect him to still be looking for more opportunity elsewhere.

Nathans goin to the GC...

 

[Corpuscles]

sorry to be a party pooper but the main trading dilemna I see is

All teams must take/rotate at least 3 players each year

Swans will have a need for at least 3 maybe more due to retirements

Swans have very little to trade that would command top picks except ROK most at best round 2. or equivalents

This is a last "uncompromised draft" with a wealth of taller KPP potentials

To trade for good quality means losing good/average players and or picks that would leave only very late rounds to pick up draft kids!

Stuff up any trade now!!! and it could be very lean pickings in draft and players available to trade over next 2-3 yrs due to GC17.... that might leave a super big "hole" in future up and coming stocks! for the early next decade

Based on all that I would use picks very carefully for the future and bloody educate more of the existing players on the list

ie Play : White Grundy Currie Laidlaw Brabazon Barlow Schmidt Meredith Murphy ( not all at once) and find out in 09 who really are keepers with great potential!!!

use picks to cover for those above that are rejected and to future position needs to cover Hall Kirk Micky O!

 

[snappy]

Re: Kerr & Didak

I am going to get in to trouble on here, but if you want a champ from another club you have to give up a lot.
Kerr is the class we are missing in the middle he is only 25 with at least 5 good years left in him.I would trade Mcveigh and a 1st round pick for him,Mcveigh has now got good currency after this years improvement and thats the sort of player the Weagles would want.
Players like Davis and Ablett are not worth much now, remember who would have thought we would have got rid of Schneider and Dumster

No trouble here bedford, if we make a move for Kerr we're going to have to give up something that hurts no matter how much you look at it.
I like this trade better than than say O'keefe.
Mcveigh is a good midfielder, perhaps becoming a gun midfielder, time will tell.
Kerr is a superstar midfielder, pretty obvious its an upgrade.
Can we afford to replace Mcveigh? Well we have alot of midfielders who knows..
Personally i want to keep our 1st round pick, we have won a flag without a star studded line up, and believe we can do it again.
And no to Didak..

 

[grimlock]

Re: Possible trade targets besides Didak & Kerr?

If i was Paul Roos i would make a HUGE play for Jarryd Roughead. He is exactly what the Swans need.

There is no chance the Hawks would trade Roughead. However his cousin will be in the the upcoming draft, perhaps we could draft him instead?

 

[RUNVS]

Re: Possible trade targets besides Didak & Kerr?

There is no chance the Hawks would trade Roughead. However his cousin will be in the the upcoming draft, perhaps we could draft him instead?

I thought about that but he is suppose to be a Forward/Ruckman. We dont really need that at the moment. What we need is

- Key Position Forward
- Between 191cm and 197cm
- Have a potential weight of between 90kg and 105kg
- Strong Mark
- Good Kick

A young Tony Lockett would be nice but if we can find a player in the draft who can fit my criteria then i will be very happy.

 

[scottwade]

I never cease to be amazed some of the names that get thrown up in these threads;
Roughhead, Hawkins, Kerr, Didak....

In recent years we have traded for Playfair, Mattner, Everitt, Richards, Chambers, & Jolly.

Notice the difference?

The players we have brought in have been unable to hold down a permanent place in their previous team's best 22, or in the case of Everitt & Mattner were deemed 'non-essential' players looking for longer deals than Haw & Adel were willing to offer.

We have virtually no currency to offer.
A relatively late 1st rounder and little in the way of player value, unless a top liner such as ROK or Goodes is put on the table.

Therefore if we do trade we should be looking for a fringe player with upside (say a Spangher (WCE) as a defender or Djerkurra (Geelong) as a speedster) and be looking to retain our 1st round pick (or at least get an early 2nd rd & player) in compensation.

Lastly the question has to be asked why would a top line player come to us?

The general consensus is that we are tracking downwards and therefore unless a player is unable to hold down a place in his current teams best 22, why would he join us?

 

[cinderella man]

Re: Kerr & Didak

I am going to get in to trouble on here, but if you want a champ from another club you have to give up a lot.
Kerr is the class we are missing in the middle he is only 25 with at least 5 good years left in him.I would trade Mcveigh and a 1st round pick for him,Mcveigh has now got good currency after this years improvement and thats the sort of player the Weagles would want.
Players like Davis and Ablett are not worth much now, remember who would have thought we would have got rid of Schneider and Dumster

What about Goodes and a first round Pick Bedford ? No i didnt think so.FFS give Mc Veigh a spell.He is an untouchable imo.He has class which we sadly lack and a very valuable attribute under pressure when he is in posession and that is composure,something many of our ball carriers dont.Seriously mate you have given him credit this year but this shit about not playing well against better opposition or stronger bodied sides is rubbish.He would have a bigger upside over a 5 year period than Goodes and imo will be just as much value as Goodes to the side if not more in that period which reallistically is about how long it will take to be a serious contender again.Mc Veigh is a star now and in another couple of years could have a standing in the game as good as Ablett Bartel,Harvey Cooney and the like.Fully realise you have to give something good to get something good but a lack of class in the midfield has been a problem for sometime so Mc Veigh goes nowhere and i will bet London to a brick Roos and Co would not even entertain the thought.

 

[bedford]

Re: Kerr & Didak

What about Goodes and a first round Pick Bedford ? No i didnt think so.FFS give Mc Veigh a spell.He is an untouchable imo.He has class which we sadly lack and a very valuable attribute under pressure when he is in posession and that is composure,something many of our ball carriers dont.Seriously mate you have given him credit this year but this shit about not playing well against better opposition or stronger bodied sides is rubbish.He would have a bigger upside over a 5 year period than Goodes and imo will be just as much value as Goodes to the side if not more in that period which reallistically is about how long it will take to be a serious contender again.Mc Veigh is a star now and in another couple of years could have a standing in the game as good as Ablett Bartel,Harvey Cooney and the like.Fully realise you have to give something good to get something good but a lack of class in the midfield has been a problem for sometime so Mc Veigh goes nowhere and i will bet London to a brick Roos and Co would not even entertain the thought.

Fair enough, but i was mainly using him because he has improved and would be value in trade talks.
He will never be a ablett or a bartel IMO, but i would hope you are right.
The London to a brick quote i hope is not a reference to the "goose" and phonepopeye's old haunt

 

[TripleB]

Re: Swans chasing White, Didak and Kerr

We would be hard pressed to bring out Currie as AFL ready, because i dont think he is...I mean, hes close, just not as close as round 1 09

western swan.....based on what ?????

 

[EatBig Australia]

I think we should look very hard at a package deal from Geelong: Varcoe and Hawkins.

Do you have ANY idea the wraps Geelong have on these 2?

Varcoe was given the famous number 5 and Hawkins is a f/s as well as being one of the most promising young full forwards in the country. I shudder to think what we would have to give up to get this "package deal".

 

[grimlock]

Hawkins is definitely a no-go. Varcoe is not untouchable but I don't think he's the type of player we need.

 

[EatBig Australia]

I never cease to be amazed some of the names that get thrown up in these threads;
Roughhead, Hawkins, Kerr, Didak....

In recent years we have traded for Playfair, Mattner, Everitt, Richards, Chambers, & Jolly.

Notice the difference?

Were you amazed when Lockett and Hall were traded?

There is nothing wrong with throwing up the names of gun players in trade talk (especially as BF members don't actually make the decisions...) as long as what is offered is reasonable.

If Roughead were to look to another club it is not unreasonable we could put in an offer. Say pick, 1 and O'Keefe plus swapping some later picks or picks 1 & 2 and a player.

Having said that he did just sign a new deal.

 

[ssfc0203]

He signed a new deal?

Halleluijah.

 

[TheMase]

He signed a new deal?

Halleluijah.

Serious? If he put his hand up and said "I want to be a Swan" tomorrow, I would try and find a way to make a deal with the Hawks.

It is within the Swans interests to look at all out of contract or available players. We might not make a play for them all, but we'd be silly not to.

People rate draft selections highly (not Roos), however if you can use them to acquire established younger players, it is worth it.

Don't be surprised if we use a second rounder to draft a player who is not getting much of a go at another club.