List Mgmt. Trade targets 2022

[VineValerian]

Lycett, McKenzie and Clurey may suck, they are the best we have in positions where we lack depth. Every time Jones is building to impact games he gets injured. Dursma and Bergman have both impacted games in their first seasons playing AFL especially Bergman with his versatility. IIRC correctly wasn't it you who was defending Fantasia and his ability to come good after his first season? Sinn is probably the only name on that list I shouldn't have worried about although he has played one game in his first season. Rozee led our goalkicking in his first season, Butters mad the AA squad in his second.



I said four of the eight players, hell even three and we would have made the eight. We missed eighth by two games and percentage, and we lost seven games by two goals or less. Anyone who disagrees that we wouldn't make finals with three or four of those players is delusional. We may have finished higher.

I'm not saying that is an acceptable result. Although even at full strength we may have just sufferred another embarassing Grand Final loss to Geelong. How good would that have been???

Yes injuries aside, no doubt there are other issues probably just as important. Ken kills doggies (I like that) is at the head of them IMO. Hopefully though after the trade or draft between Fantasia and Rioli we get one good small forward that greatly improves our forward line at least. One way or another with pick 8 we hopefully get some more depth where we need it.

So, I simply think the reported steepness of our slide is greatly exaggerated.

You haven't factored in some of the other sides who made the 8 also having multiple injuries, and could have won several more games themselves.
Maybe we had slightly more injuries to key players than other sides, but not so many that would have impacted our position a whole lot.
We nose dived because as a club we failed to acknowledge our faults, the players felt things would casually just roll on, and we have been conditioned to mediocrity.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Would be an semi embarrassing scenario but if his current club doesn't want him and he finds a club that does. Does he really care how he gets there?

He's a 24-year-old with a contract until he's 26. If he goes to a club that doesn't want him, he won't play AFL again. Really should to to a bottom 4 club go to give him a chance.

 

[philthy05]

So do you prefer the scenario where we are on the slide down to the cellar depths from 11th and don't play in finals with at least hope of being the last team standing in September?

Woah.

No

I’m just disagreeing that injuries made any difference worth a damn.

We finished 11th. A better run with injuries wouldn’t have made it a successful season.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

They would already have factored in Selwood and hawkins either quitting or getting reduced pay at this age, and other contracts written in the past 1-3 years would have been factored in to increase now.

For instance Cameron’s contract for sure would have factored in increasing as those players decreased. Henry’s Blicavs and so on. Those guys all had to get paid and weren’t getting bull dollars while hawkins Selwood were getting them.

Veterans like Selwood, Hawkins being on lower pay would be how they afford to being in the likes of Cameron. Now it'll be Hawkins and Selwood retiring frees up lots of money. Nothing at all to do with cheap land deals outside the cap...

He's a 24-year-old with a contract until he's 26. If he goes to a club that doesn't want him, he won't play AFL again. Really should to to a bottom 4 club go to give him a chance.

He'll have a longer than 2 year deal at his new club. $1.6m over two years will soon become something like $2.4m over 4.

 

[Prince St]

In a world where it’s 2024 and we somehow have both Pickett and JHF on our list, what does the 2022 off season look like, assuming those deals are made end of 2023?

 

[Jonts]

We better not go late for Degoey

 

[FishingRick04]

In a world where it’s 2024 and we somehow have both Pickett and JHF on our list, what does the 2022 off season look like, assuming those deals are made end of 2023?

I think it’s fanciful.

 

[Saltiga]

We might end up getting a second round pick for Amon.
If that’s the measuring stick Rioli for a third round is almost overs.
For once port need to stand firm and say 3rd round or no deal will take our chances in the draft.
It’s becoming embarrassing how this club bends over

I don't see how we get bent over in trades anymore that's what's normal for any club. Some trades you win some you lose. Our trading and drafting is pretty good overall.

I'll reserve judgement on the Fantasia trade for now. His first season was excellent. 2022 was a writeoff.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Red flag of all red flags.

"dont be a dick"

"no."

 

[NoddyHolder]

Poor lad has ADHD - it's disability discrimination!

Advanced Dick Head Disorder?

 

[Schulzenfest]

Cause the pies haven’t even offered him a contract while chasing guys like Frampton and Ian hill.

That is absolutely not true.

 

[philthy05]

That is absolutely not true.

My bad. Thought I read they hadn’t offered him one.

In any case it’s extremely likely they’ve lowballed him while trying to throw money at other players with a cap that’s already so unmanageable they’re trying to offload Grundy.

He’s probably off to Geelong and it’s hard to see how pies play hardball over him.

Shoe on the other foot, ports cap is so bad we have to offload one of our champion players and Henry wants out there’s just no way we’re getting a first rounder for him. The media would peg him as a 2nd / 3rd.

Geelongs 1st is so late they’re probably happy to deal it but they’ll probably send that off for bruhn.

 

[Waspy79]

Red flag of all red flags.

Or an opportunity too good to not at least investigate

 

[Chrizzt]

Veterans like Selwood, Hawkins being on lower pay would be how they afford to being in the likes of Cameron. Now it'll be Hawkins and Selwood retiring frees up lots of money. Nothing at all to do with cheap land deals outside the cap...

He'll have a longer than 2 year deal at his new club. $1.6m over two years will soon become something like $2.4m over 4.

Hawkins is playing on next year but he's only on ~$200k. Selwood was on around 600k, but almost certainly retiring. Most other Geelong players are getting under market value to play at Geelong. So they're probably close to the 95% floor

 

[Waspy79]

I can’t imagine Amon getting a kick if the grand final heat was Geelongesque and he was still a Port player. Having said that there is no way Rioli is worth an end of first round draft selection. I doubt the club has suggested he is, it’s only biased media reporting.

 

[philthy05]

Hawkins is playing on next year but he's only on ~$200k.

Even at his age there’s absolutely no way that I would believe hawkins would be on absolute minimum wage.

Where do you get the idea he’s getting 200k?

 

[blackdiamond]

Even at his age there’s absolutely no way that I would believe hawkins would be on absolute minimum wage.

Where do you get the idea he’s getting 200k?

Sam McClure ran with that story the other day, which is great if you believe everything in the media.


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[GoPorts]

Sam McClure ran with that story the other day, which is great if you believe everything in the media.


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He's getting $200K and 5 Ford Rangers that he can sell to boomers wanting to tow their caravans

 

[philthy05]

Sam McClure ran with that story the other day, which is great if you believe everything in the media.


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It’s either an outright lie or Geelong are completely fudging the cap rules

If hawkins is getting paid 200k next year I’ll eat a rusty bucket full of glass.

 

[PatientMental]

It’s either an outright lie or Geelong are completely fudging the cap rules

If hawkins is getting paid 200k next year I’ll eat a rusty bucket full of glass.

ASAs still exist.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[TimTime]

It’s either an outright lie or Geelong are completely fudging the cap rules

If hawkins is getting paid 200k next year I’ll eat a rusty bucket full of glass.

I’ve heard the same thing about Hawkins, I thought it was closer to $250k he was even quoted in the article. He’s had his big $ contracts & now is happy to play for minimal wage for as long as he can to supplement his farming lifestyle..
No doubt he has alternate income streams that come from living in Geelong area.
He could play on another 2-3 years, Scott will rest him during the season & blood a young replacement who will take over when Hawkins finally retires..
We won’t get close to them unless our recruiting dept find diamonds who are self driven for success as the coaching dept won’t inspire them..

 

[Saltiga]

I’ve heard the same thing about Hawkins, I thought it was closer to $250k he was even quoted in the article. He’s had his big $ contracts & now is happy to play for minimal wage for as long as he can to supplement his farming lifestyle..
No doubt he has alternate income streams that come from living in Geelong area.
He could play on another 2-3 years, Scott will rest him during the season & blood a young replacement who will take over when Hawkins finally retires..
We won’t get close to them unless our recruiting dept find diamonds who are self driven for success as the coaching dept won’t inspire them..

Hahaha Hawkins $250k.....as if!!!!

 

[DaTBird187]

Degoey rejects Collingwood contract because of vague behavioural clauses

Collingwood: "Jordan, you can't rape anyone."

De Goey: "No!"

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

I don't see how we get bent over in trades anymore that's what's normal for any club. Some trades you win some you lose. Our trading and drafting is pretty good overall.

I'll reserve judgement on the Fantasia trade for now. His first season was excellent. 2022 was a writeoff.

Eh we knew that he was a walking injury trading him in.