MRP / Trib. Tribunal Thread - rules and offences discombobulation

[Festerz]

To get him off of a suspension, we're going to have to argue that SPP action wasn't careless. I'm not sure how we'd even start that argument. It was pretty clearly careless.

We're at a common ground here Scorchy.

It's why I think we won't challenge a 2-3 week suspension.

As much as I hate the AFL's definition of careless in an AFL setting - it's set in stone. My beef is that it's determined by outcome not intention and context.

But good luck getting the AFL sponsored braindead blowhards like Ralph and King having the balls to chase that issue down rather than taking biased ignorant pot shots at players and clubs they personally dislike.

 

[dirty2]

Wouldn't surprise me if spp got 4 weeks.

What happened to the game of AFL? I understand ya got to protect people's heads.. no issue with that... But **** me... 20 years ago I would get less for hitting someone.

 

[PatientMental]

Wouldn't surprise me if spp got 4 weeks.

What happened to the game of AFL? I understand ya got to protect people's heads.. no issue with that... But * me... 20 years ago I would get less for hitting someone.

20 years ago is an eternity in sport governance.

 

[PatientMental]

I don't even think we had an anti doping system 20 years ago.

 

[Tibbs]

Take the time to look at that video you posted.

It starts here:

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It ends here:

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Take a look at where Keane's head and the ball are at the opening of that sequence- tall and high.

Look at where Keane's head and the ball are at the end of that sequence- low and falling.

And now take a look at the time.

One second has elapsed.

ONE SECOND.

That is the context of that contact which matters.

We all know Sammy will get games because of where he was and the result.

But FFS can we please understand the concept of reaction time in a game of professional football where physicality at the contest is not just expected but demanded.

SPP had ONE frigging second to change that approach from attack to avoid collision as the context of the contest totally changes.

FMD.

Yet he had time to prop that right foot, brace, and drive his shoulder in and down into Keane? Stuff me!

We can argue this till the sun goes down ... But the bigger issue was why did he hurtle in, when in the first pic you show, Rioli already has Keane well held. his arms are by his side, there is no tackling action, no spoiling action, no intent! This was a car-crash waiting to happen.

Someone mentioned that Butters goes into contests the same way. Thats just not the case. If that was Butters, yes we would have seen the same speed and power into the contest, but he would have finished it off with an action as he assessed what was happening before him. EG: Throwing his arms toward the intended handball.

And please everyone just stop with this "one second" rubbish! We see these players change from right-hand to left-hand handballs in a micro-second. Doing freakish things as we look on in awe! SPP had options, other than prop & brace. He knows it, and will learn from it.

 

[Festerz]

Yet he had time to prop that right foot, brace, and drive his shoulder in and down into Keane? Stuff me!

We can argue this till the sun goes down ... But the bigger issue was why did he hurtle in, when in the first pic you show, Rioli already has Keane well held. his arms are by his side, there is no tackling action, no spoiling action, no intent! This was a car-crash waiting to happen.

One second from start to finish. Probably five minutes longer than you took to draft and post your fictional narrative assigning intent, motive and blame. (edit: nah make that 20 minutes given your recent post edit). If only SPP had the time to rethink his attack on the ball.

The only car crash comes from your comment and its embarrassing omission of the critical context and time in a professional high impact football game.

 

[Tibbs]

Given the current environment SPP will get 2 or 3 matches off.
Hard to argue once it's verified the opponent has concussion.
Personally I thought there was no intent and it was an unfortunate football collision.

What disappoints me more is the number of our supporters here who want to denigrate SPP as dumb/stupid etc.
He plays hard and I don't really recall him blatantly trying to hurt anyone.
He attacks the ball hard, take that out of his game and he becomes another average/vanilla midfielder/flanker.
Many sit here and are quick to tag players as soft or timid but to call one of our most intense players who has improved significantly over the last few seasons "dumb" is a touch hypocritical.


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We are not denigrating him. I just love the guy! He is the most "Port" player in the whole side IMO. He just did a dumb thing at the worst possible time! I am gutted.

 

[Tibbs]

One second from start to finish. About a minute longer than you took to write your narrative.

ONE SECOND.

The only car crash comes from your comment and its embarrassing omission of the critical context and time in a professional high impact football game.

LOL ... Go and watch some of Robbie Gray's and Butters' highlights. One second is an eternity to them.

One second!

 

[glitch01]

We are not denigrating him. I just love the guy! He is the most "Port" player in the whole side IMO. He just did a dumb thing at the worst possible time! I am gutted.

Didn't name individuals, but some are ......


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[philthy05]

Yet he had time to prop that right foot, brace, and drive his shoulder in and down into Keane? Stuff me!

We can argue this till the sun goes down ... But the bigger issue was why did he hurtle in, when in the first pic you show, Rioli already has Keane well held. his arms are by his side, there is no tackling action, no spoiling action, no intent! This was a car-crash waiting to happen.

Someone mentioned that Butters goes into contests the same way. Thats just not the case. If that was Butters, yes we would have seen the same speed and power into the contest, but he would have finished it off with an action as he assessed what was happening before him. EG: Throwing his arms toward the intended handball.

And please everyone just stop with this "one second" rubbish! We see these players change from right-hand to left-hand handballs in a micro-second. Doing freakish things as we look on in awe! SPP had options, other than prop & brace. He knows it, and will learn from it.

Spp was already running in, the tackle happened literally in the last second.


And yes I’ve brought up butters, and he does approach contests in exactly the same way as spp and is lauded for it.

And spp has time to turn his body because that’s the kind of instinctual slight body movement people learn since they’re a toddler and can be done while travelling at speed.

 

[Kenny_Powers]

Bucks and whoever his co-host was on SEN this morning argued there looked to be no intent to bump originally and it was more clumsy than severe, said 2 weeks would be about right.




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[Capital Power]

Where were all these media nuffies when Maynard was ending blokes' careers? Not pandering to McGuire, surely?

 

[chiwigi]

I wouldn’t care if SPP got 20 weeks if I thought for a second it would apply the same to Daicos, but it won’t. It’s a shit system that will punish Port and the ‘make an example out of’ clubs.

 

[PowerBaz]

Bucks and whoever his co-host was on SEN this morning argued there looked to be no intent to bump originally and it was more clumsy than severe, said 2 weeks would be about right.




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So Maynard should of got two?

Or was that a week before the GF and he plays for a larger Vic club?

 

[Kenny_Powers]

So Maynard should of got two?

Or was that a week before the GF and he plays for a larger Vic club?

I can't even remember how they classed Maynards in the end?

Funny though that the same people particularly across the border arguing that 1 second is enough time to make a decision to avoid contact to the head, were all "Maynard didn't have enough time to avoid the bump" a few months ago.






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[EskimoPAFC]

So Maynard should of got two?

Or was that a week before the GF and he plays for a larger Vic club?

Well see the difference is that Maynard was in the air, while SPP "planted his feet". And keeping your feet on the ground is much worse.

Now a keen AFL history buff might remember that before these two incidents it was always considered the exact opposite however we have to remember that these things can change in a second at any time.

 

[Wargreymon90]

there is no point comparing Maynard to SPP. The incidents are completely different.

The SPP bump is an action we’ve see plenty of times which has usually resulted in 2-3 weeks. If that’s what it ends up being, then it’s consistent with the rest of the comp.

 

[JayPea14]

The overreaction on a footy incident from Friday's game has proven to me that I have not missed AFL. The game is a shadow of what it once was.

 

[manureid]

Has he been executed yet?

 

[Festerz]

Bucks and whoever his co-host was on SEN this morning argued there looked to be no intent to bump originally and it was more clumsy than severe, said 2 weeks would be about right.

Buckley's comments are considered and intelligent in contrast to King's BS.

He sees no evidence of intent but sees that it was a 'little bit careless'. He also makes the point that players are always 'a bit rusty' when it comes to the first genuine competitive hit out of the season that includes their split second decision making.

Says what most of us here are saying - SPP was in the 'wrong place wrong time' due to the tackle slinging Keane into his path but there were other options available as he approached the contest so he is not entirely blameless under AFL rules.

Penalty likely to be 2 weeks if AFL determines the outcome was high impact and 3 games if deemed severe. Both Edmund and Buckley agree that 2 weeks seems about right.

 

[Windy Cindy]

Well see the difference is that Maynard was in the air, while SPP "planted his feet". And keeping your feet on the ground is much worse.

Now a keen AFL history buff might remember that before these two incidents it was always considered the exact opposite however we have to remember that these things can change in a second at any time.

I reckon Maynard, being old school, made him earn it, saw the contact was coming and just made him earn it, unfortunately he cleaned him up very badly. IMO should have got games

bucks take on SPP is correct, clumsy attack on the ball, nothing intentional, should be 2 games. but with the king and Ralph hysteria who knows where it will land.

 

[Sewer de Lance]

Buckley's comments are considered and intelligent in contrast to King's BS.

He sees no evidence of intent but sees that it was a 'little bit careless'. He also makes the point that players are always 'a bit rusty' when it comes to the first genuine competitive hit out of the season that includes their split second decision making.

Says what most of us here are saying - SPP was in the 'wrong place wrong time' due to the tackle slinging Keane into his path but there were other options available as he approached the contest so he is not entirely blameless under AFL rules.

Penalty likely to be 2 weeks if AFL determines the outcome was high impact and 3 games if deemed severe. Both Edmund and Buckley agree that 2 weeks seems about right.

If King had it his way he would deregister Sam, then make him commence a nationwide apology tour, followed by 20 years of hard labour. The guy has lost the plot.

 

[Festerz]

No surprises that Whateley sees the baseline of a 3 week suspension as clear cut (rating the impact as severe) and a strong possibility of the AFL increasing the penalty further to set an example.

'From where we left off last year I’d say the Powell Pepper bump is a straight up and down three week ban.

But if the AFL has a mind to increase the deterrent it will seek four weeks in this case and establish a greater penalty.

I feel as though you, the constituency, as ready for this type of suspension to rise.

It’s one of those incidents in which the AFL will get whatever penalty it seeks so we’ll learn a bit about the League’s thinking in the hours ahead.'

Pity so many of these journalists are unwilling or unable to challenge the notion of the AFL re-interpreting their own rules on the fly and using a single incident and player as their sacrificial lamb to do it.

Powell-Pepper got his timing horribly wrong, will the AFL make an example of him?

“It gives the AFL a rolled gold case to set the base for careless bumping suspensions in 2024.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Ports1870]

Careless, high contact, high impact= 2 Weeks
Careless, high contact, severe impact= 3 weeks

Should not be getting anymore than that

 

[manureid]

Careless, high contact, high impact= 2 Weeks
Careless, high contact, severe impact= 3 weeks

Should not be getting anymore than that

+ Port + Indigenous loading, 5 weeks.