Autopsy Umpires ruin a classic - Pies carried to 76-70 win

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Sorry but this is just nonsense.
Macrae was never the #1 guy in the Dogs midfield, the Bont was. Macrae is a specialist support midfielder; he prefers being the supporting cast. Back in 2021 you had Bont, Treloar, Libba, Dunkley and Bailey Smith. Macrae was still AA that year.

Macrae was pushed out of your midfield last year to accommodate players like Gallagher and Sanders. The rationale is questionable to say the least.

That was 2021. Four years ago.

I’m sure having a midfield of 4 30+ year olds would’ve been great until they all retire.

We all love Jack, it was shit watching him play half forward and VFL. This was better for everyone.

You guys should be worried that you haven’t had a decent young mid since Jack Steven. You’re gonna be rooted when Macrae and Steele pull the pin.

 

[perro_loco]

You do realise who we have out right?

Actually Carlton's problem is something else, but coincidentally the Bulldogs have the exact same problem: too many C-graders, too heavily dependent on top end talent to carry all the baggage.

The umps might've reamed you, but it still felt like I was watching Carlton on Friday night. Libba, Richards, Lobb, Darcy carrying way too much of the load. Sanders, Gallagher, McNeil, Arthur Jones ineffectual.

Agree with you on this. Add Duryea who was awful and you have a total of at least 5 passengers. This is not new, We have had this problem for 4 years at least, where the lowest 5 to 7 players are not up to the level. That costs wins, finals and premierships.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Just FYI Jack’s old man passed away a couple of years ago

Was not aware . Just trying to make light of a super obsessive Carlton fan.

 

[Sentinel]

All this talk of us trading Macrae also ignores that he was on a salary signed right on the back of 3 All Australia seasons, yet his output at the Bulldogs hadn't matched anywhere near that level for a good period. He's a star but if we weren't going to utilise him in the same way St Kilda look to be now, for whatever reasons, it would have been an ongoing waste for both he and the Bulldogs.

I'm happy we moved him on (despite being a favourite) and I'm happy he's found great form so far at the Saints.

 

[Pie eyed]

I hate commenting on umpiring as I’m always of the opinion that if you are good enough, the officiating of the game shouldn’t matter.

BUT when you have such an extreme abnormality like last night, it’s impossible to argue that point anymore. When a team not only gets 34 free kicks, but 20 more than the opposition (with the count after quarter time being something ridiculous like 9-27) it will affect the result. Not to mention the dozens of times that a free kick was paid against us and the standard was set, then a Collingwood player does the exact same thing or worse and it is not called. Then there were the moments where our entire team stopped as they expected the ball to be thrown back for the free, but the umpires call advantage even when the moment does not suit it at all?

I contributed last night.
Since I have watched the replay of the game twice.
4th qtr Bailey Dale was stiff being called for intentional, this did not result in a score for Collingwood.

I invite you or anyone to point out a free to Collingwood that was paid that wasn't there.



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[CarnTheScray]

I contributed last night.
Since I have watched the replay of the game twice.
4th qtr Bailey Dale was stiff being called for intentional, this did not result in a score for Collingwood.

I invite you or anyone to point out a free to Collingwood that was paid that wasn't there.



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Well you just pointed one out for me. Thanks for doing the work sport, I’m off to bed.

 

[Mojorisin]

All this talk of us trading Macrae also ignores that he was on a salary signed right on the back of 3 All Australia seasons, yet his output at the Bulldogs hadn't matched anywhere near that level for a good period. He's a star but if we weren't going to utilise him in the same way St Kilda look to be now, for whatever reasons, it would have been an ongoing waste for both he and the Bulldogs.

Although he would be playing in our midfield now he would be back to half forward or VFL in a month once the the troups return. This year he is on more then 2/3 what Kennedy is on and Kennedy will be able to contribute at half forward once Bont and Treloar are back.

As you say, a waste on both fronts, we owed macrae more then that.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

We have many important players out. Don't you think some of that improves as they come back?

Of course the best players help lift the standards but if the team is to be depleted for weeks they need to work on improving themselves. Bevo won’t let them off the hook.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I contributed last night.
Since I have watched the replay of the game twice.
4th qtr Bailey Dale was stiff being called for intentional, this did not result in a score for Collingwood.

I invite you or anyone to point out a free to Collingwood that was paid that wasn't there.



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Living up to your name.

 

[dogwatch]

A few random observations after watching the replay:

• Bailey Dale's kicking was outstanding. It is outstanding most weeks of course, but in a close game like that where you have to take risks to split the opposition lines he can deliver quickly with surgical accuracy. Watching him should be a lesson to all juniors (and coaches of very young juniors). Don't just slam it on the boot. Learn how to kick like that, kids!
• Dale wasn't all that influential in the first half but was outstanding in the second half. Not sure if McRae had somebody trying to shut him down after he was BoG last week but he really opened them up in the second half.
• Very impressed with Ed Richards' game. Seldom fumbled or coughed it up. High success rate in contested ball.
• For once Tim English had pretty good hitout stats but was pretty ineffectual around the ground. Dropped a few marks he would normally take. Bevo has always stood by him for his around-the-ground contributions (and has been prepared to concede the hitouts). I wonder how he viewed this performance?
• I'm hoping it's just a confidence thing with English and that he will start to click if he takes a few grabs, and kicks a few goals. But it needs to happen soon.
• Sam Davidson put in some mighty efforts and was still going strong in that last quarter when those with fainter hearts might have faded. That chase on Bobby Hill (one of the fastest blokes around), another chase on the wing, a great contested mark which resulted in the late Darcy goal, and some fearless work in close. He's very athletic and is made of stern stuff.
• Another player with a lot of ticker is Bailey Williams. Some great one-on-one efforts and plenty of composure when Collingwood were ramping up the pressure. His two efforts to spoil the mark and then touch the ball off the Collingwood boot were teamlifting.
• I really like Josh Dolan who looks like he could improve every week he plays. However his production is still very low and I'm not sure we can afford the luxury of playing him in the seniors while he's finding his feet. It's been a gutsy selection call by Bevo but I think there are better options at the moment.
• Laitham Vandermeer has now put together two good games in a row and was improving at the back end of last season, so it's looking like last week wasn't just a flash in the pan.
• With VDM's good form the tag of being the #1 whipping boy seemed likely to shift to Harvey Gallagher but he played a pretty good game and cut out a lot of the errors that plagued him last week. Maybe they told him he just needs to keep it simple until he gathers a bit more experience?
• Goalkickers. We wouldn't have got close without Darcy's contribution up forward. With Naughton having an off day it made me think how useful it would be to have a third goal threat up forward (not just the occasional goal from the likes of West, VDM and McNeil). Probably a medium sized mobile player who can kick the occasional bag of 4 or 5, like Tory Dickson, Johnno or Matty Robbins used to do. And preferably offer a bit in defensive pressure as well. Cody Weightman is normally that bloke but we won't see him until much later in the year. Maybe Jordan Croft, although he's ridiculously tall for that role. His mobility and endurance make it a possibility though. I reckon we are likely to find out how he'll go pretty soon.

Overall a very impressive performance considering how undermanned we were. Collingwood's list is impressive but I just don't know how good they really are. It's hard to get a good line on form at the moment.

The other question for me is whether Bevo had the boys especially fired up for the occasion ... and whether we can maintain that level of effort and intensity. Or will we suffer a slump in intensity next week?

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Jones was holding his kicking back at training so I'm not sure he does come in. JOD should be right though, so we definitely get some tall coverage down back.

Yea, can't rush Jones back from a hammy… it’ll just go again and then he’s finished

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

They genuinely can’t give a suspension for it. He had eyes only for the ball and it was a straight arm, not a dangerous swinging one.

Bit of an unfortunate accident, but seriously no other way for him to have approached that contest

That sounds like you are describing the incident that cost Chris Grant the 97 Brownlow Medal

 

[grassman75]

I contributed last night.
Since I have watched the replay of the game twice.
4th qtr Bailey Dale was stiff being called for intentional, this did not result in a score for Collingwood.

I invite you or anyone to point out a free to Collingwood that was paid that wasn't there.



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That’s not the issue and Bevo alluded to it in his presser. We were bad at tackling and other things and gave away stupid frees. The differential isn’t even the problem. It’s the fact that they missed….

Naughton front on contact
Daicos flopping over the line with no intent to keep it in straight after pinging Dale
Bramble having his legs taken out by Quaynor in a classic example of the rule
Multiple centre bounces not recalled that favoured the Pies

And there are more.

Do I need to go on?

 

[grassman75]

That sounds like you are describing the incident that cost Chris Grant the 97 Brownlow Medal

I was thinking exactly that when it happened

 

[Doggy]

That’s not the issue and Bevo alluded to it in his presser. We were bad at tackling and other things and gave away stupid frees. The differential isn’t even the problem. It’s the fact that they missed….

Naughton front on contact
Daicos flopping over the line with no intent to keep it in straight after pinging Dale
Bramble having his legs taken out by Quaynor in a classic example of the rule
Multiple centre bounces not recalled that favoured the Pies

And there are more.

Do I need to go on?

Baker front on contact only to then pick up the ball and correctly be called holding the ball which lead to the Sidebottom goal was also a classic

 

[Mr. Walker]

Yes to all the above. I don’t care about Pies fans demanding to be told which of the 32 free kicks they were awarded cannot be justified. The real issue is the plethora, yes it was a plethora, of free kicks that were there but not awarded to us. Often they followed an identical situation that was awarded to the Pies.

 

[ossie_21]

Yes to all the above. I don’t care about Pies fans demanding to be told which of the 32 free kicks they were awarded cannot be justified. The real issue is the plethora, yes it was a plethora, of free kicks that were there but not awarded to us. Often they followed an identical situation that was awarded to the Pies.

There is a clip going around of all of their free kicks. At least 50% were there, some howlers given and the rest were incredibly soft. If they were given around the 20 correct ones, that’s about par for a regularly umpired game.

The overreacted due to the crowd early on and never let up lol

 

[stefoid]

Dont care about the frees.

I hope we got our arses kicked into gear from that game - it was nice having north as the first game but the pies pressure was next level and it restricted us to long kicks down the line far too often. Expecting a lot more from the runners and kickers in the side against carlton.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Yea, don’t want to get dragged into the whole free kick this and that. Leave that crap to the Swans. There’s a lot more dignity to be gained by not mentioning it - We lost a tight one against a full strength collingwood with 5 of our top 7 players out. Heartbreaking to lose a close one but it could be the making of them…
Plus Croft kicked 4 goals in the 2’s…
This year is going to be exciting and lots of young players are getting vital exposure at the top level and thriving!

 

[geoffjennings79]

Yea, don’t want to get dragged into the whole free kick this and that. Leave that crap to the Swans. There’s a lot more dignity to be gained by not mentioning it - We lost a tight one against a full strength collingwood with 5 of our top 7 players out. Heartbreaking to lose a close one but it could be the making of them…
Plus Croft kicked 4 goals in the 2’s…
This year is going to be exciting and lots of young players are getting vital exposure at the top level and thriving!

I get the excitement around Croft, but Bullants weren't even at the level of witch's hats. Hopefully he does the same against capable opposition. Then I'll get really excited!

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

I get the excitement around Croft, but Bullants weren't even at the level of witch's hats. Hopefully he does the same against capable opposition. Then I'll get really excited!

Fair enough. I didn’t see the game but saw the headline and liked what he did against the hawks

 

[geoffjennings79]

Fair enough. I didn’t see the game but saw the headline and liked what he did against the hawks

Final score was 148-22. Hopefully our next match (in 2 weeks) v Werribee provides more context.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

I get the excitement around Croft, but Bullants weren't even at the level of witch's hats. Hopefully he does the same against capable opposition. Then I'll get really excited!

I'm already really excited by Croft. He moves unbelievably well, not just for a 200cm bloke but for anyone. He also attacks the ball in air really well.
I'd get him in the team as a wing or Blakey / Weddle type ASAP

 

[Bulldogs85]

Coaches Votes

Footscray v Collingwood​

8 Tom Liberatore (WB)
8 Nick Daicos (COLL)
8 Sam Darcy (WB)
3 Steele Sidebottom (COLL)
2 Lachie Schultz (COLL)
1 Jeremy Howe (COLL)

 

[Munnez]

Yep, spending all their chips and when they desperately need some youth Tasmania will have all the draft picks.

Good luck to them...

Still have that big club advantage of free agents that nominate them. Generally go alright on the trade front as well they will be fine.