Autopsy US Election Day Thread - Trump 47th President of the United States

[Gethelred]

The race is run, the winner declared!

For further discussion of the election:

USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

I will be keen to watch the handover on J6 I think, Will the Bidens attend unlike Trump? Will the crowd be the biggest in history, Will there be a magical Mystery victory tour and rallies like 2016, Will he reduce his golf games and stop heading North in the Summer or home to Fl in the winter...

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For discussion of the incoming president:

Play Nice - 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: Here we go again!

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For discussion of the losing candidate:

USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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Enjoy, all!

 

[Randomizor]

I feel the big one is that you need offer economic change.

Neoliberalism has caused a lot of issues and at least offering some hope that things will be different or get better is a must (and then acting on siad changes)

The Post war consensus was killed by Neoliberal capitalism, well populism is killing Neoliberal capitalism

100% this.

Trump offered solutions. Awful ones that make absolutely 0 economic sense. But he offered them and didn’t back down on them.

America just wants to be confidently told it’ll all be fixed. I don’t think the how actually matters to them.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

...Wokism. Men have definately turned against democrats. Mostly white men but latino and black men as well. Calling male behaviour toxic, telling low income men they are privledged, pushing affirmative action policy again male employment and telling all men they are responsible for sexual assaults is not a good campaign strategy. Progressives preached inclusiveness while making men feel excluded...

Yeah. Promoting social inclusion through alienation isn't the right way to go. Society is stronger through the sum of its parts. Many working parts powering the one machine.

Inclusion is the oil. Why not sell it that way?

 

[OneGreatClub]

That he would win easily and Harris was the wrong candidate…

don’t get what you are asking to be honest.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

I'm questioning the vote. I'm hearing a lot of fraud was taking place in PA.

 

[OneGreatClub]

100% this.

Trump offered solutions. Awful ones that make absolutely 0 economic sense. But he offered them and didn’t back down on them.

America just wants to be confidently told it’ll all be fixed. I don’t think the how actually matters to them.

Or if

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

After the debate I though it would be a landslide victory to Harris.

I thought she went from 0 chance to 10 percent but absolutely blew it down to 0. She should have done the debates on Fox News instead of hiding

 

[MPMonkeys]

So why do harris lose to the worlds most dangerous moron?

I cant find good answers but heres a go:

She couldnt explain inflation: never attempted to explain why her term wouldnt have the repeat of the inflation boom of biden. She needed to explain that this was supply side driven due to covid and wouldnt happen again without a new covid. Not an easy sell although trump made it easier with his inflationary tariff and deportation policies but she never really made a good argument of it or much of an attempt at all.

Charisma: she didnt have much. This is why open primaries are important.

Wokism. Men have definately turned against democrats. Mostly white men but latino and black men as well. Calling male behaviour toxic, telling low income men they are privledged, pushing affirmative action policy again male employment and telling all men they are responsible for sexual assaults is not a good campaign strategy. Progressives preached inclusiveness while making men feel excluded.

Immigration: shouldnt of unwound all of trumps border policies and should of reacted to the problem of illegal immigration more quickly. They should of expanded legal migration significantly but been absolutely tough on illegal immigration.

Education: americans clearly arent educated enough to understand the importance of democracy, supporting global allies nor how the economy works. Cant be fixed in the short run.

Gaza: not sure they could of done anything differently here. But it lost them the irrational part of the base who didnt know or care that trump was forcing democrats into their position with a looming election and will be way worse for Gaza.

I think many of these problems are also problems in australia. Albanese is in deep trouble.

Thats not a bad summary.

Would also add that Democrats obsession with celebrity endorsements is a massive vote loser. Why they persist with this is a mystery. Next time George Clooney or Beyoncé or Taylor Swift offer to help a so called working class party then they should be told to shut up and go away.

 

[Tadpole]

Wonder when he going to line up his perceived enemies and have them shot?
Day one, day two?

One a day should last him the full four year term, with how many there’d be.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Yeah. Promoting social inclusion through alienation isn't the right way to go. Society is stronger through the sum of its parts. Many working parts powering the one machine.

Inclusion is the oil. Why not sell it that way?

Drill drill drill?

 

[Seeds]

Harris did the right thing, in not highlighting she was female, as Clinton did, but trying to overcome a strong undercurrent of sexism AND racism simultaneously is not something the US is capable of yet. Obama was able to grab almost all non-whites by mitigating his 'non-whiteness' with being a dude. It also meant he could capture a reasonable amount of white male voters.

It's a blight on their country, but the unfortunate reality is the Democrats need to run a white dude as nominee next time, regardless of whether would be considered the best candidate if everyone was race/sex blind in who they voted for. Demographics are slowly shifting to where white's will be the largest voting group, but not a majority, but it's at least another 4 or 5 election cycles, before I'd have any confidence in non-white woman getting up.

Wrong. National polls indicated michelle obama would of smashed trump.

The racist and sexist vote are a part of the republican base. They are always republican. They dont swing elections.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

After the debate I thought it would be a landslide victory to Harris.

did you actually watch the debate?

Harris was poor.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

don’t get what you are asking to be honest.

People who can’t admit they were wrong regularly end up at this point

 

[OneGreatClub]

One a day should last him the full four year term, with how many there’d be.

MAGAs on here would still laugh

 

[Randomizor]

did you actually watch the debate?

Harris was poor.

It was quite objectively a bad debate for Trump.

We don’t need to start rewriting history before he’s actually sworn in.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

It's quite the paradox that Harris expected to walk away clean from the Biden/Harris administration as though she wasn't involved in the acts Biden wore the blame for, while also claiming that as part of her experience qualifying her for the job.

Busy Vice Presidenting on something else other than the stuff that didn't work.

Harris is a terrible choice, the problem is Biden dragging on his exit, gave them little time.

they needed a fresh start

 

[Seeds]

I hope michelle obama and jon stewart are having a good hard look at themselves.

Both would of romped it in for the democrats. But they choose not to make a serious play.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Drill drill drill?

In a progressive societal inclusion sense, yeah!

 

[Magruder]

The thing is, he genuinely has no real policy for any of this.

It's just talk.

I'LL DEPORT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. The US relies upon low paid immigrants to function.

I'LL MAKE THE ECONOMY GREAT AGAIN. His tariffs will likely completely **** over the average American.

blows up the economy, mangles covid response, stacks court
gets elected in part coz the other side didn't fix his mess quick enough and in part coz his court puts enough weight on the scale for him to avoid accountability.

 

[OneGreatClub]

People who can’t admit they were wrong regularly end up at this point

Both sides wanted their candidate to win, hoped their candidate would win. Do you feel better now?

In a progressive societal inclusion sense, yeah!

I think Trump has promised the other kind.

 

[Randomizor]

I hope michelle obama and jon stewart are having a good hard look at themselves.

Both would have romped it in for the democrats. But they choose not to make a serious play.

I think both sides would agree that Jon Stewart would win in a canter

 

[MPMonkeys]

Harris is a terrible choice, the problem is Biden dragging on his exit, gave them little time.

they needed a fresh start

Biden was done two years ago. Should have replaced him then.
Instead the Democrats propped him up like Weekend at Bernie’s and ended up fooling nobody at all.

 

[Seeds]

Biden should be viewed by history as a major reason for trump winning.

He is a disgrace for not allowing democrats the time to have an open primary.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

It was quite objectively a bad debate for Trump.

We don’t need to start rewriting history before he’s actually sworn in.

ok well that's your opinion.

And considering Trump won comfortably in all elements of this (or at least is on track too, including the popular vote), I'd say most disagree with you.

 

[Gethelred]

Did Jill stein have any bearing on Kamala losing any important battle grounds or was she insignificant to anything that happened?

There were a few counties in which middle eastern voters voted Stein ahead of Harris, leading to a split in the vote. Not in nationally significant numbers though.

 

[Moonwatcher]

did you actually watch the debate?

Harris was poor.

I watched the debate. Trump was worse. Kamala just had to sit back and watch the moderators grill Trump.