Vic Club dominating (10 flags in 11 years)

[greatwhiteshark]

I think this is much ado about nothing. The league is as fair as it's going to get for the moment.

To the Interstate fans pointing out the slight advantage Vic team's get in a GF if* they play off against an interstate team in the most important game of the season; to them I say you get a slight advantage in the 2nd and 3rd/4th most important games of the season. Those being the home Preliminary, Qaulifying and Elimination finals.**

How do you enjoy an advantage in those finals you ask? Simple. If you earn a home final then you will have a genuine home ground advantage in those finals when playing 16 other teams in the comp. Unless you are playing your home state rival you are getting a genuine home ground advantage. Compare that to the Vic clubs where we could possibly play one of the 8 interstate clubs for a genuine home field advantage or we could play one of the other 9 vic clubs and it'll be considered a neutral ground.

94% of the time Interstate teams will get a home ground advantage when earning home finals compared to Vics who will only get that same advantage 47% of the time in their home finals which they equally earned. Yes that is becuase Victoria is saturated with clubs and others states are not but don't go pointing fingers at our advantages while casually glossing over or ignoring what you get in return.

In summary:

Vic's will sometimes get an advantage in GF's.
Interstate teams will almost always enjoy advantages in home finals.
Vic's will sometimes get advantages in home finals.

It's pretty even so stop complaining.

The advantage is the exact same advantage an interstate side gets when it plays at home against anyone.
So next time you play in Perth or Adelaide or Sydney think of the odds or chance you have of winning the game and then directly turn that feeling around for a GF against an interstate side.
The extremely great sides can overcome it and have overcome it. But the reality is if Adelaide played Richmond 10 times in a row at the AO then Adelaide would win 8-9 of those games.
Play 10 in a row at the MCG and Adelaide will be lucky to win 5.
It’s a significant advantage that non Vic sides must overcome to win a flag. It’s just the way it is. The ones that have done it have been vastly superior sides than their opponents.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

You heard Ross The Boss - anywhere, anyone, any time.

Ever heard a coach say it’s going to be difficult for us to win as we are playing on their home ground?
Ross like all AFL coaches are well drilled on telling us what we want to hear. For the most part coaches speak so far from the truth it’s laughable.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Interesting that on 2018 Table Predictions thread Richmond supporters saying that they will be at the top end of the table due to their 14 games at The MCG while on this thread arguing that the MCG home advantage is nothing and interstate clubs are whining. Please make up your mind.

Punt road oval is our home ground, we've been banned from playing there for 50 years.

No home ground advantage for 50 years! Disgrace.

 

[bh90210fan]

You heard Ross The Boss - anywhere, anyone, any time.

Yes to win a flag you’re going to have to be able to win against anyone, anywhere at anytime. That is of course unless your home ground is the MCG and you play 14 games there during the regular season then all you have to do is win at home just like you did this year

 

[longdonkey]

Punt road oval is our home ground, we've been banned from playing there for 50 years.

No home ground advantage for 50 years! Disgrace.

Yeah all of Richmond's supporters crammed into Punt Road Hillsborough style. Imagine the mental.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Yes to win a flag you’re going to have to be able to win against anyone, anywhere at anytime. That is of course unless your home ground is the MCG and you play 14 games there during the regular season then all you have to do is win at home just like you did this year

We only had 11 games at the G in the regular season, how many did the eagles have at Domain.

We had to play a home game at an away venue, did the eagles have to do that

We only had 4 home games against an interstate team on our home ground, how many did the eagles have

 

[bh90210fan]

We only had 11 games at the G in the regular season, how many did the eagles have at Domain.

We had to play a home game at an away venue, did the eagles have to do that

We only had 4 home games against an interstate team on our home ground, how many did the eagles have

You finished 3rd on the ladder and played 3 finals at home, did any other team get that

 

[Harry Hook]

You mean the ground 10 mins down the road from the MCG?

Must be tough

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You simply don't get it. Travel time has nowt or very little to do with how the non Victorian team does in the GF as I've shown earlier.

It's non Victorian and Etihad sides sides building a game style built about developing their own home ground advantage.

 

[Harry Hook]

If so why aren't struggling clubs allowed to sell home games to WA?

To be frank, I don't know. But that is a decision made at the higher echelons of the AFL not at the lower echelons.

 

[Colonial]

You simply don't get it. Travel time has nowt or very little to do with how the non Victorian team does in the GF as I've shown earlier.

It's non Victorian and Etihad sides sides building a game style built about developing their own home ground advantage.

You simply dont get it.
Overcoming a disadvantage doesnt stop it from being a disadvantage.
And having a home city GF is an advantage, for the clubs based there and their fans.

It shouldnt move as i said before. But it doesnt change the fact its an advantage to Victorians.

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[zucchini]

There is also the not so small examples of 1992, 94, 97, 98, 2001, 2002 and 2003 grand finals all being won by a club from another state playing a club based in Victoria. The fact that in recent times an interstate based side have lost is getting it back to more 50-50 which you would expect at the venue that is most used and closest to neutral there is for such an important game for the season to end. The fact that it holds the biggest crowd by far in the very area the game was born only makes it more fitting to be where we have the grand finale to the football season.
The grounds with distinct homeground advantage would be more likely to favour the homestate side win 67 to 75% of the time but in all the grand finals at this ground with clubs based here v from interstate we see it tends towards 50-50 which you would expect.

If I check up my clubs history of games when we did actually have a distinct homeround advantage that interstate clubs do now in 2 team type cities we won about 71% of our games on our real homeground.
Our record at MCG is 48% win rate.
I only wish we had a real homeground advantage at MCG like clubs from interstate enjoy in their home states.
Thank **** the grand final is played at the most appropriate venue and not played at the venue of biggest sooks hoping to only win finals in their comfort zone of homeground advantages well over 60%. It is why the sooking is so loud from some. They want to have a distinct advantage in grand final that helped them get to it in first place.


Yes, but furthermore some are getting into top 2 over lower spots based on this advantage and getting to the grand final based on those massive advantages in their favour.

Just the way it is.
Thankfully for the grand final we play on a ground more appropriate to finding the best team for each season.

Geez, how do you fit in real life with all your bf postings?

 

[blue harvest]

You finished 3rd on the ladder and played 3 finals at home, did any other team get that

We did in 2011.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

You finished 3rd on the ladder and played 3 finals at home, did any other team get that

One home final thankyou, we played 2 away.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Yes to win a flag you’re going to have to be able to win against anyone, anywhere at anytime. That is of course unless your home ground is the MCG and you play 14 games there during the regular season then all you have to do is win at home just like you did this year

The tears are getting boring.

The problem (for those that think there is one) is that the non-Victorian clubs' home grounds aren't the fortresses they once were. Vic clubs aren't winning at home any more often than they used to.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Yeah all of Richmond's supporters crammed into Punt Road Hillsborough style. Imagine the mental.

PRO Could easily have been the equivalent of a Princess Park by the 1990s, perfect for hosting H&A all interstate sides bar maybe Sydney and Fitzroy-Brisbane

Would have been a fortress and all those 9th finishes might have been finals appearances.

And we've had that taken from us for 50 years so motorists cut their punt road journey times. So let's cut the crap that life is perfect for vic clubs.

 

[footyfan1978]

Geez, how do you fit in real life with all your bf postings?

Easy, bf is not the real world. ha ha

 

[footyfan1978]

So after all this chat, can anyone tell me how Richmond is to be compensated for being forced to play at Melbourves home ground the last 50 years by draconian town planning decisions?

You already have been by rest of us Vics clubs except Geelong losing a homeground advantage too.

 

[bh90210fan]

We did in 2011.

Too bad you ran into another MCG tenant in the prelim, otherwise you could’ve rode the home ground advantage all the way to the flag

 

[PetterdHoisted]

You already have been by rest of us Vics clubs except Geelong losing a homeground advantage too.

The Blues are probably the best test case for this since they and the dogs were the last to relinquish a true home advantage in Melbourne.

Was Prinny park a fortress compared to Etihad, and if so, finance permitting why wouldn't the blues get back to playing GC/GWS/Freo types there?

 

[footyfan1978]

The Blues are probably the best test case for this since they and the dogs were the last to relinquish a true home advantage in Melbourne.

Was Prinny park a fortress compared to Etihad, and if so, finance permitting why wouldn't the blues get back to playing GC/GWS/Freo types there?

We probably had a win rate of 71% at Princes Park. All the true homegrounds were fortresses before we all got manipulated to play on the more central and neutral grounds of MCG and Docklands. Playing a home game at Princes Park would be every bit as much an advantage that interstate clubs get in their homeground finals or Geelong at Kardinia Park.
Docklands we have win rate of less than 40%. As someone that has gone since 1982 regularly I can honestly say there is no homeground advantage for us anymore. Some times there is a home state crowd advantage a few times a year but that is no more an advantage than playing at Waverley Park v Crows in 1993 when our real homeground with a genuine distinct advantage interstate enjoy now, would have been at Princes Park.

As Home Team
Princes Park 933 played 655 won 15 draws 263 losses 71.01% win rate
M.C.G. 99 played 44 won 2 draws 53 losses 45.45% win rate
Docklands 84 played 31 won 53 losses 36.90% win rate

We cannot get back to Princes Park as John Elliott got us in debt with his stupid Legends Stand idea.
On top of that he oversaw the salary cap figure he pretended was not going to stay and we copped a massive fine at worst possible time that all lead up to us needing to leave just to keep head above water.
It is actually why we went into worst period in our clubs history.
Having no real homeground to enjoy I will always lay blame at him. I will concede in his own deluded mind he thought he was doing the best thing at the time but he was dead wrong and pig headed. Hence we voted the clown out. He thought signing Pagan up as last resort to win favour would save him. Clueless.
Our own fault for letting him stay on for so long. Should have been gone mid 90's at latest.

The ground is now totally different with no members stand end like used to be there and would need millions upon millions to get it up to standard to hold over 30,000 again.
I do not think that is viable for 3 or 4 games a year against the Suns, GWS, Fremantle and Port types.
The moment was lost in the 1990's.
1994 when we were destroying teams at our fortress before he built that stupid stand was the beginning of the end of our homeground.

This is what playing on a homeground feels like.



Imagine us playing our finals at a true homeground with distinct advantage like this.
That is what interstate clubs get to have as a soft path to grand final if they finish top two.
They do not get it of making grand finals and winning on merit at the most appropriate and neutral venue it seems.
They want that unfairness to last all the finals series and wins finals the soft way with distinct homeground advantages.
You got to laugh at some of the false spin of their ideas on fairness as their motivation to steal grand final from home of the game itself at most neutral venue.

 

[wal]

All the true homegrounds were fortresses before we all got manipulated to play on the more central and neutral grounds of MCG and Docklands. Playing a home game at Princes Park would be every bit as much an advantage that interstate clubs get in their homeground finals or Geelong at Kardinia Park.
Imagine us playing our finals at a true homeground with distinct advantage like this.
That is what interstate clubs get to have as a soft path to grand final if they finish top two.
They do not get it of making grand finals and winning on merit at the most appropriate and neutral venue it seems.
They want that unfairness to last all the finals series and wins finals the soft way with distinct homeground advantages.
You got to laugh at some of the false spin of their ideas on fairness as their motivation to steal grand final from home of the game itself at most neutral venue.

What a croc of shit. You do realise Fremantle have never played a game on their home ground. Till now we didn't even play at a neutral venue, we played at our rivals home ground.
Sure WC had a real advantage but that is no longer.
Perth stadium is a neutral venue, as much or if not more than the MCG is.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

We probably had a win rate of 71% at Princes Park. All the true homegrounds were fortresses before we all got manipulated to play on the more central and neutral grounds of MCG and Docklands. Playing a home game at Princes Park would be every bit as much an advantage that interstate clubs get in their homeground finals or Geelong at Kardinia Park.
Docklands we have win rate of less than 40%. As someone that has gone since 1982 regularly I can honestly say there is no homeground advantage for us anymore. Some times there is a home state crowd advantage a few times a year but that is no more an advantage than playing at Waverley Park v Crows in 1993 when our real homeground with a genuine distinct advantage interstate enjoy now, would have been at Princes Park.

As Home Team
Princes Park 933 played 655 won 15 draws 263 losses 71.01% win rate
M.C.G. 99 played 44 won 2 draws 53 losses 45.45% win rate
Docklands 84 played 31 won 53 losses 36.90% win rate

We cannot get back to Princes Park as John Elliott got us in debt with his stupid Legends Stand idea.
On top of that he oversaw the salary cap figure he pretended was not going to stay and we copped a massive fine at worst possible time that all lead up to us needing to leave just to keep head above water.
It is actually why we went into worst period in our clubs history.
Having no real homeground to enjoy I will always lay blame at him. I will concede in his own deluded mind he thought he was doing the best thing at the time but he was dead wrong and pig headed. Hence we voted the clown out. He thought signing Pagan up as last resort to win favour would save him. Clueless.
Our own fault for letting him stay on for so long. Should have been gone mid 90's at latest.

The ground is now totally different with no members stand end like used to be there and would need millions upon millions to get it up to standard to hold over 30,000 again.
I do not think that is viable for 3 or 4 games a year against the Suns, GWS, Fremantle and Port types.
The moment was lost in the 1990's.
1994 when we were destroying teams at our fortress before he built that stupid stand was the beginning of the end of our homeground.

This is what playing on a homeground feels like.



Imagine us playing our finals at a true homeground with distinct advantage like this.
That is what interstate clubs get to have as a soft path to grand final if they finish top two.
They do not get it of making grand finals and winning on merit at the most appropriate and neutral venue it seems.
They want that unfairness to last all the finals series and wins finals the soft way with distinct homeground advantages.
You got to laugh at some of the false spin of their ideas on fairness as their motivation to steal grand final from home of the game itself at most neutral venue.

Great post. I reckon if Punt rd Oval had been located deeper in Yarra park it may have been a 30,000 seater by the 1990s and the Tiges could have enjoyed a true home advantage too

 

[footyfan1978]

Great post. I reckon if Punt rd Oval had been located deeper in Yarra park it may have been a 30,000 seater by the 1990s and the Tiges could have enjoyed a true home advantage too

Yep. A shame it had to go but well before our time.
Just for a laugh of old times sake. Here is maybe last time we played you guys at our real homeground with the distinct advantage before it got trashed for Elliott's stupid Legends Stand construction. Opposing supporters mostly stayed down the side of ground left on video screen. It is not pretty for your lot but this is what happens when clubs actually have real homeground advantages. When home teams win, tends to be more blow outs to the homeground factor. Think it was over 100 point hiding even in a year you guys were on the up.

It is a shame early series finals are a bit devalued now by some interstate clubs getting homeground advantages that give them soft paths to grand finals rather than finals series played at more neutral grounds like we were more used to originally.
I am glad most of our path to grand finals were on merit via neutral venues. Sadly 1945 was war years so we won that year on our homeground when finals at MCG were not possible with army taking over that area.

 

[footyfan1978]

Fremantle have never played a game on their home ground. Till now we didn't even play at a neutral venue, we played at our rivals home ground.
Sure WC had a real advantage but that is no longer.
Perth stadium is a neutral venue, as much or if not more than the MCG is.

Your post gave me a good laugh and you remind me of this guy with his take on your attempt here.

 

[wal]

Your post gave me a good laugh and you remind me of this guy with his take on your attempt here.

Not sure if you are a simpleton or a troll.