Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[Checksider]

So you'd have a neutral grand final where heaps of years 40,000 less fans could go?

Just cut all the corporate seats and double the amount of members tickets for each club, so you've got more fans attending from each club.

Yes I would. To have a league with integrity, where the most deserving team wins each year.

Competing clubs get only 17,500 tickets for members each year, so the “number of fans attending” argument does not stack up at all.

 

[Checksider]

I think enough people are that the coaches will be having to fight it and not all are some are encouraging it.

Hardwick's been talking aobut the difficulties of travel and his team becomes terrible when they get anywhere near an airport.

Hardwick is a huge whinger, up there with Bevo. The bloke complained about having to travel to Docklands while coaching one of the most heavily favoured clubs in the league.

It hurt Richmond, and it’s hurting GC currently, we can agree on that. Difference is, it is possible for Richmond to never win away from their home ground, still finish top 4 and win a flag. If that doesn’t say cooked league, what does?

 

[sr36]

It hurt Richmond, and it’s hurting GC currently, we can agree on that. Difference is, it is possible for Richmond to never win away from their home ground, still finish top 4 and win a flag. If that doesn’t say cooked league, what does?

Not actually true. They, like Collingwood, only play one more game at their home ground than the Adelaide teams currently play. We are 14 at the G (a fair few neutral games), 3 at Docklands (more often than not against a Docklands tenant) - 6 interstate. The 14 and 3 has been locked in for a while. Meanwhile Port and Crows have 13 at home ground - 11 of them home ground advantage games.

Port's the team most likely to have a net home ground advantage contribute to them finishing top 4 again. Doesn't help them though, as they're also the team most likely to lose home finals as a result of the draw helping them to finish higher.

 

[Checksider]

Not actually true. They, like Collingwood, only play one more game at their home ground than the Adelaide teams currently play. We are 14 at the G (a fair few neutral games), 3 at Docklands (more often than not against a Docklands tenant) - 6 interstate. The 14 and 3 has been locked in for a while. Meanwhile Port and Crows have 13 at home ground - 11 of them home ground advantage games.

Port's the team most likely to have a net home ground advantage contribute to them finishing top 4 again. Doesn't help them though, as they're also the team most likely to lose home finals as a result of the draw helping them to finish higher.

Fine, sub out “home ground” for “home state”.

And Adelaide/Port’s extra home game is temporary only, due to gather round. Normally this is 12.

Likewise it is more typical for the favoured Vic sides to only leave Melbourne 4-5 times in a season, including the best part of two months at home leading into finals each year (must just be a coincidence hey). Completely farcical.

 

[Underarm]

Difference is, it is possible for Richmond to never win away from their home ground, still finish top 4 and win a flag. If that doesn’t say cooked league, what does?

Adelaide only finished above Richmond in 2017 because they played more games at their home ground than Richmond.

 

[Checksider]

Adelaide only finished above Richmond in 2017 because they played more games at their home ground than Richmond.

If you don’t get an unearned home ground advantage against the Cats then you would’ve lost the qualifying final and most likely don’t even make the GF.

If you don’t get an unearned home ground advantage you probably lose the Grand Final by between 6 to 13 goals, like you did in the games against Adelaide immediately before and immediately after the GF.

It’s so much easier for your club to win a premiership than mine, it’s not even funny.

 

[Muddiemoose]

If you don’t get an unearned home ground advantage against the Cats then you would’ve lost the qualifying final and most likely don’t even make the GF.

If you don’t get an unearned home ground advantage you probably lose the Grand Final by between 6 to 13 goals, like you did in the games against Adelaide immediately before and immediately after the GF.

It’s so much easier for your club to win a premiership than mine, it’s not even funny.

So two posts ago you are arguing that a home state game is essentially the same as a home game but now trying to say that Geelong were at a disadvantage for playing a home state game

Looks like you are having a bob each way

 

[sr36]

Fine, sub out “home ground” for “home state”.

And Adelaide/Port’s extra home game is temporary only, due to gather round. Normally this is 12.

Likewise it is more typical for the favoured Vic sides to only leave Melbourne 4-5 times in a season, including the best part of two months at home leading into finals each year (must just be a coincidence hey). Completely farcical.

Collingwood are in the process of trying to sell off a "home" game at Marvel to the Gold Coast. That's how much we value the "home state" thing some crap on about.

Personally I think the Pies would be quite happy to play all 8 interstate teams away. Whilst small town clubs are thinking parochially, Pies are looking around the world where fan bases in big leagues aren't totally linked to location - we want to be Man United. But it would be a disgrace if it occured as it would mean that most of the Vic teams would be big losers and barely ever get what they want - a home game against Collingwood.

The complaints about the gf are fair enough, but there's nothing in results to suggest that home and away favours Melbourne teams. And when a team does finish artificially higher by getting a lucky draw or are favoured by more home games like Port, they get knocked out of the finals before the grand final.

 

[Underarm]

If you don’t get an unearned home ground advantage against the Cats then you would’ve lost the qualifying final and most likely don’t even make the GF.

If Geelong got as many games at their home ground as Adelaide, They also would have finished above Adelaide and wouldn't meet Richmond until the Grand final - a matchup they hadn't lost in 15 years.

 

[sr36]

If you don’t get an unearned home ground advantage against the Cats then you would’ve lost the qualifying final and most likely don’t even make the GF.

If you don’t get an unearned home ground advantage you probably lose the Grand Final by between 6 to 13 goals, like you did in the games against Adelaide immediately before and immediately after the GF.

It’s so much easier for your club to win a premiership than mine, it’s not even funny.

The tiger game plan clicked in the back end of that year. It dominated finals and it's fundamentals and their differing ways of measuring the game has continued to dominate up until now.

We all had our preconceptions of the tigers at the time and assumed they'd be a laughing stock in September, but surely you can look back and realise that their style of footy simply trumped what Adelaide were playing. Their style of footy was years ahead of the Crows - a decade apart.

 

[sr36]

If this is the case, then why give a prime holiday eve slot to those clubs?

If they can get a big crowd anytime anyway then why wouldn’t you give the slot to a non-Vic club, or even a club like the Dogs (which don’t get any marquee fixtures) to play a home game against a bigger club like Richmond?

TV rights. Essendon and Carlton gets a much bigger TV audience.

Broadcasters are both bankrolling and driving the growth of the AFL. The money is then distributed more to the clubs who don't draw big numbers of viewers.

Probably a vicious circle though with it helping to grow the bigger clubs more than smaller ones.

 

[Freshwater]

Hardwick is a huge whinger, up there with Bevo. The bloke complained about having to travel to Docklands while coaching one of the most heavily favoured clubs in the league.

It hurt Richmond, and it’s hurting GC currently, we can agree on that. Difference is, it is possible for Richmond to never win away from their home ground, still finish top 4 and win a flag. If that doesn’t say cooked league, what does?

What did Bevo whinge about? He just gives it to the gutter dwelling so-called journos, that barrack for their teams but go after ‘soft kills’. Doesn’t actually complain about our pathetic FIXture. I’d like him to speak up for our raw deal. Eg 2 away game at MCG yet have to play finals there. No annual marquee games. Two weeks in a row playing teams off a bye, one of those teams has had 2 byes. Had to play a team in round one, that had already had game! Changing of rules through seasons that ultimately affect ball winning teams etc. Have to play in Geelong every single year without fail.

 

[JackOutback]

Collingwood are in the process of trying to sell off a "home" game at Marvel to the Gold Coast. That's how much we value the "home state" thing some crap on about.

Personally I think the Pies would be quite happy to play all 8 interstate teams away. Whilst small town clubs are thinking parochially, Pies are looking around the world where fan bases in big leagues aren't totally linked to location - we want to be Man United. But it would be a disgrace if it occured as it would mean that most of the Vic teams would be big losers and barely ever get what they want - a home game against Collingwood.

The complaints about the gf are fair enough, but there's nothing in results to suggest that home and away favours Melbourne teams. And when a team does finish artificially higher by getting a lucky draw or are favoured by more home games like Port, they get knocked out of the finals before the grand final.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Kids and their gifs.

I bet you even think this is funny.

 

[sr36]

You have a lot of truths that you've personally created, based on your own priorities which don't seem to match with tat of your footy club.

Travel? Pretty clearly not a priority for WA teams as they've rejected a third team in WA which would obviously reduce travel. Pretty easy to suggest that they value growth potential over reduced travel. If you are watching and listening to the Pies, you'd realise that it's very likely that we also prioritise growth over reduced travel and we're eyeing off the non-Vic markets.

 

[Checksider]

The tiger game plan clicked in the back end of that year. It dominated finals and it's fundamentals and their differing ways of measuring the game has continued to dominate up until now.

We all had our preconceptions of the tigers at the time and assumed they'd be a laughing stock in September, but surely you can look back and realise that their style of footy simply trumped what Adelaide were playing. Their style of footy was years ahead of the Crows - a decade apart.

Did this magic style somehow disappear in the prior matchup at Adelaide Oval, reappear on Grand Final day, then disappear again the following time the teams played again at Adelaide Oval?

Is this style of footy in the room right now?

 

[Farang83150]

I think their travel is a disadvantage. However, only 2 clubs in that size of a footy heartland city is a big financial advantage and probably a recruiting advantage. Not sure how it all balances out, but WCE have certainly been extremely successful during their time in the comp. The introduction of Freo was a complete balls up that set them back for years, but they currently look like a pretty good team on the rise to me.

However, I'm still unsure how that relates to the points I made, so I'm still unsure why you're calling people bellends when you don't seem able to follow and respond to a point in a discussion

Doesn't matter how financially sound we are.

 

[LoungeLizard]

You have a lot of truths that you've personally created, based on your own priorities which don't seem to match with tat of your footy club.

Travel? Pretty clearly not a priority for WA teams as they've rejected a third team in WA which would obviously reduce travel. Pretty easy to suggest that they value growth potential over reduced travel. If you are watching and listening to the Pies, you'd realise that it's very likely that we also prioritise growth over reduced travel and we're eyeing off the non-Vic markets.

Incoming gif.

 

[doppleganger]

Adelaide only finished above Richmond in 2017 because they played more games at their home ground than Richmond.

Yep, in 2017 H&A Adelaide had 12 games at AO, 10 with a full home ground advantage against a team who never plays their.

In 2017 H&A, Richmond had 11 games at MCG, only 5 against teams who rarely play at the G.

Adelaide also played 2 of their "away" games at venues where the home team wasn't in their home state, so effectively only had 8 away games at their opponents preferred home ground.

Richmond played all of their 11 games away from the G at the home of their opponent.

Fix the H&A season, and Adelaide dont get undeserved home finals and a cushy run to the GF flop.

 

[sr36]

Did this magic style somehow disappear in the prior matchup at Adelaide Oval, reappear on Grand Final day, then disappear again the following time the teams played again at Adelaide Oval?

Is this style of footy in the room right now?

You mean the game 5 months earlier when Richmond were about 4 games into their new game plan and hadn't yet nailed their offensive running patterns?

You're right. It's not possible they could have improved from that point. Actually you were better than them in 2015 as well. Nothing could have changed from then. I smell a cooked comp.

It's not a magic style. The fact that you're suggesting that it doesn't exist means I'm going to stop discussing footy with you. It's a bit like playing tennis with a quadriplegic - without his wheel chair.

 

[Coolangatta]

Yep, in 2017 H&A Adelaide had 12 games at AO, 10 with a full home ground advantage against a team who never plays their.

In 2017 H&A, Richmond had 11 games at MCG, only 5 against teams who rarely play at the G.

Adelaide also played 2 of their "away" games at venues where the home team wasn't in their home state, so effectively only had 8 away games at their opponents preferred home ground.

Richmond played all of their 11 games away from the G at the home of their opponent.

Fix the H&A season, and Adelaide dont get undeserved home finals and a cushy run to the GF flop.

How? If Richmond and Adelaide both played 11 home games each at their home grounds, you'd just say Richmond is disadvantaged because only half those games are against non-MCG tenants.

I'd say this is offset by Richmond playing more "away" games at the MCG and having to travel less.

No matter which way you slice it, the MCG is a fortress for clubs like Richmond when they're strong every much as AO etc is a fortress for strong interstate teams. They're still playing games at a ground they're familiar with, with good crowd support.

 

[JackOutback]

You mean the game 5 months earlier when Richmond were about 4 games into their new game plan and hadn't yet nailed their offensive running patterns?

You're right. It's not possible they could have improved from that point. Actually you were better than them in 2015 as well. Nothing could have changed from then. I smell a cooked comp.

It's not a magic style. The fact that you're suggesting that it doesn't exist means I'm going to stop discussing footy with you. It's a bit like playing tennis with a quadriplegic - without his wheel chair.

You missed his point that after 'revolutionising the game', Richmond returned to Adelaide Oval in round 2 of 2018. The result? A 36 point loss for the Tigers. But sure, they would have won anywhere, anytime, right?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

lol, your parody is assuming that all vic fans are poor and only have spare cash for sh*t coffee and goin to the g.

Your last coupla pages look like a desperate want for vic fans to be upset coz non vic won some flags on the run and kept vic clubs out of the big dance a coupla times nearly 2 decades ago.

Oh the humanity! (insert cry face). Will admit the meeja jumped on it and sensationalized at the time, but who cares, all the vic clubs are here now and their fans in unprecedented numbers.

That's not 'broken', but if it makes you feel better then you believe that it is

A couple is 2, we locked you out a few(3) times.
I suggest if you have a few spare $$'s, spend it on education.

 

[sr36]

You missed his point that after 'revolutionising the game', Richmond returned to Adelaide Oval in round 2 of 2018. The result? A 36 point loss for the Tigers. But sure, they would have won anywhere, anytime, right?

Yeah we smashed them in early in 2019 and were thus clearly a better team in the 2017 final series...

 

[Carringbush2010]

A couple is 2, we locked you out a few(3) times.
I suggest if you have a few spare $$'s, spend it on education.

Yes we're broken, so so broken, we'll never recover