Voss on Fev/Brown - Yikes!

[weevil]

I think Hendo could be as good as Bradshaw, he may not become that good, but I think it is certainly within his ceiling.

I’m unconvinced with him being a key defender, particularly in the short term. He has had a couple of good performances back but I think that has had a bit more to do with work further up the field. I don’t think he is a natural reader of the play. To me he is a little robotic as a defender, like he has been drilled in a few things and he is fine as long as his opponent does not try anything else. Otherwise at the moment he can tend to get caught out of position a lot.

But as a forward it’s a different story, I would not be surprised if he ended up anywhere between being a serviceable forward and a Bradshaw type good solid quality forward.

 

[chopperduck]

If this is true then Voss is a prick for saying that to the media. Fancy selling-out one of your own and having a laugh at his expense. No wonder MacDonald wanted to leave, must have been some bad blood there. I mean, what is it with Voss, he seems to have crapped on a couple of the younger players (Rischitelli, MacDonald) who are/were a couple of your better players.

I am fast losing respect for Voss.

Wow, a coach lies to the media about an injury to a player. That is a first, gee what a bastard. Your post is funny in so many ways, Jmac didn't leave, he was delisted, he didn't even see it coming. Riska while a contributor was hardly a stand out player for us last year, neither was Jmac. Jmac was well down on his 08 form. The fact he was replaced by Hawksley in the finals speaks for itself.

As for Riska, its not the first time a player has been shopped around at trade time either. To his credit he wanted to stay and we will be happy to have him in 2010. Who knows what happens after that, i think he is being heavily influenced by his money hungry manager tbh. Riska would need to step it up this year, otherwise he will probably lose his spot in the 22 to other young players coming through.

 

[Hollow Knight]

If this is true then Voss is a prick for saying that to the media. Fancy selling-out one of your own and having a laugh at his expense. No wonder MacDonald wanted to leave, must have been some bad blood there. I mean, what is it with Voss, he seems to have crapped on a couple of the younger players (Rischitelli, MacDonald) who are/were a couple of your better players.

I am fast losing respect for Voss.

Comical post. I'll say no more.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Comical post. I'll say no more.

Everyone will lose respect for Voss once 2010 is over.

His trade period was disgusting and has doomed Brisbane to a bottom 4 finish and the dreaded rebuild phase within 4 years. All for what? A chance at the top 4??? I seriously doubt they will even get that.

Ofcourse the team put in a hard preseaon last year to impress the new coach. But I fear many will grow tired of his attention seeking attitude and cocky smile.

It's a shame that his wonderful playing career will be tainted by a poor-horrible coaching career.

 

[Lionfan17]

Everyone will lose respect for Voss once 2010 is over.

His trade period was disgusting and has doomed Brisbane to a bottom 4 finish and the dreaded rebuild phase within 4 years. All for what? A chance at the top 4??? I seriously doubt they will even get that.

Ofcourse the team put in a hard preseaon last year to impress the new coach. But I fear many will grow tired of his attention seeking attitude and cocky smile.

It's a shame that his wonderful playing career will be tainted by a poor-horrible coaching career.

When we hit the stage were we hit rock bottom, we'll ring you guys and ask for advice on how to deal with it.

 

[Weiterbot23]

When we hit the stage were we hit rock bottom, we'll ring you guys and ask for advice on how to deal with it.

The AFL forced our rebuilding phase with over the top penalties.

Voss is forcing yours

 

[JuddFevGoal]

Do I get some prize for starting this thread if it hits 50 pages?

 

[Axel.]

Do I get some prize for starting this thread if it hits 50 pages?

Free membership.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Axel wasn't telling you all the details - Free Richmond Membership - RRP $0.00

 

[NQlionnut]

The AFL forced our rebuilding phase with over the top penalties.

Voss is forcing yours

Do you honestly think Voss doesnt realise it is a risk, or that his coaching career hangs on the success of this aggressive trading strategy. IN VOSS WE TRUST

 

[mediumsizered]

You talk about him like he is a prodigy. He is certainly no spud. I went to 8 games at the Gabba last year and saw a few reserves matches...I never left a game thinking we have a real talent here unlike how wrapped I was with Rich, Redden and Polkinghorne for 2009. The way you talk about him it sounds like he was our replacement for Leppa or Bradshaw but I never thought that at any point nor thought he dominanted anyone.

Reminds me of how Carlton supporters felt about Fev circa 2000-2002 (no-one is suggesting Hendo will be as good as Fev, but it is had to tell with KP forwards early on). He could not take an overhead mark to save his life (the way he positioned his hands meant he was no chance of holding these marks), his kicking for goal was 50/50 at best, with most of his shots from 40-50 out finding the boundary line more often than the scoring zone & he had no second efforts or defensive side to his game. As we all know, Wayne Brittain gave Fev his marching orders on the basis that he wasn't considered to be up to AFL standard, but fortunately Pagan gave him a further chance to prove himself & in his 4th season of AFL he came good.

 

[BlueTongue]

Wow, a coach lies to the media about an injury to a player. That is a first, gee what a bastard.

The 'Bastard' issue wasn't that he lied to the media, but rather that he winked so much as to say 'injury - hahaha, but we both know that he was dropped'. He could have easily kept his mouth shut (or eyes open) but instead, publicly humiliates his player implying he wasn't good enough to make the cut after 22 rounds of not missing a beat. That stinks. But hey, if you have no issue with that, well, he's your coach...

Your post is funny in so many ways, Jmac didn't leave, he was delisted, he didn't even see it coming.

Didn't know the circumstances of JMac's departure but he seems keen enough to play for Melbourne after getting out of Brisbane (not that he had much choice I guess, but then again Ball didn't have a 'Choice' either). And the fact that he didn't see it coming, well it only shows how well Voss is communicating with his players.

Riska while a contributor was hardly a stand out player for us last year, neither was Jmac. Jmac was well down on his 08 form. The fact he was replaced by Hawksley in the finals speaks for itself.

Are you sure your not playing this down? I mean, if he was that bad, why wasn't he replaced earlier in the H&A season to give Hawksley more gametime?
And err, let me see JMac or X-Clarke, I wonder who's better...

As for Riska, its not the first time a player has been shopped around at trade time either. To his credit he wanted to stay and we will be happy to have him in 2010. Who knows what happens after that, i think he is being heavily influenced by his money hungry manager tbh. Riska would need to step it up this year, otherwise he will probably lose his spot in the 22 to other young players coming through.

Fair enough.

 

[JuddFevGoal]

Free membership.

For Carlton or Brisbane?

 

[Axel.]

For Carlton or Brisbane?

Axel wasn't telling you all the details - Free Richmond Membership - RRP $0.00

....

 

[chopperduck]

The 'Bastard' issue wasn't that he lied to the media, but rather that he winked so much as to say 'injury - hahaha, but we both know that he was dropped'. He could have easily kept his mouth shut (or eyes open) but instead, publicly humiliates his player implying he wasn't good enough to make the cut after 22 rounds of not missing a beat. That stinks. But hey, if you have no issue with that, well, he's your coach...

It was because of the way it happened. He was a last minute withdraw with an 'injury'. No one believed the injury, he was just having some fun with the media, which i have no problem with. Was just acknowledging that as suspected there was no injury. And again, Jmac wasn't in great form. He was ok, but not great, his disposal was shocking and his defensive work was a bit down.

Didn't know the circumstances of JMac's departure but he seems keen enough to play for Melbourne after getting out of Brisbane (not that he had much choice I guess, but then again Ball didn't have a 'Choice' either). And the fact that he didn't see it coming, well it only shows how well Voss is communicating with his players.

He was happy to get on a list, and really, tbh, i think he is a good fit for Melbourne. He will be a more senior player there, and although he isn't an 'A' grade player, he does have good experience which should help their back 6. As for communication, i dont think coaches usually say to players around round 20, oh by the way, your getting delisted end of season, enjoy your last 2 games. It would have been an off season dicision, and Jmac didn't see it coming being that he played all 22 games that season. He did fell a bit hard done by, being dropped for finals, but his form wasn't great, and Hawksley ended up having a huge impact in the game v Carlton. But again, he was delisted, he didn't leave because he wanted to.

Are you sure your not playing this down? I mean, if he was that bad, why wasn't he replaced earlier in the H&A season to give Hawksley more gametime?
And err, let me see JMac or X-Clarke, I wonder who's better...

Who knows. Jmac wasn't in terrible form, he just wasn't that great. Hawksley got a few games during the season, and in the end the match panel decided to go with Hawksley.

I'd take a fit X-Clarke any day over Jmac. Our challenge will be to get him on the park, and given his history, it will be a challenge, but we lack players like Clarke, we have defenders in spades.

 

[chopperduck]

The AFL forced our rebuilding phase with over the top penalties.

Voss is forcing yours

He isn't forcing ours. Our rebuilding period is coming because of our imbalanced list caused by the 01-04 era. Voss is merely picking when it will happen. And like him, id rather have it after the compromised drafts than during them. We will make the most of Black and Power while we still have them.

 

[Hollow Knight]

And like him, id rather have it after the compromised drafts than during them. We will make the most of Black and Power while we still have them.

This is the crux of the matter. The fact that people in this thread still fail to understand it makes me realise that they don't WANT to understand it. Especially as it would expose the glaring contradictions in some of their "logic".

 

[Salaryman]

I can see that might be the logic, but it still may prove to be flawed.

 

[Silvagnis]

I can see that might be the logic, but it still may prove to be flawed.

Their decision to overlook Ball for Bartlett might mean you're right.

They claim clearances were a problem for the Lions, yet they passed on Ball for a small outside player and ball carrier.

If Voss dropped on their doorstep, they'd frame a picture of it and put a velvet rope around it to turn it into as a museum display.

 

[Hollow Knight]

They claim clearances were a problem for the Lions, yet they passed on Ball for a small outside player and ball carrier.

And then drafted the leading clearance player from the u18 championships with our second pick in the draft.

Plus our ruck department being up and running means that Brennan (our best clearance player behind Black) can actually concentrate on winning clearances instead of being an undersized backup ruck.

Amazing how much better things appear when you look at the whole picture isn't it Genny!

Interesting see though that the same people who are talking about us not being future focused are now chastising us for not picking up Luke Ball. Cuckoo!

 

[Cousin Jed]

Their decision to overlook Ball for Bartlett might mean you're right.

They claim clearances were a problem for the Lions, yet they passed on Ball for a small outside player and ball carrier.

Did they remove the salary cap this off season?

 

[Salaryman]

And then drafted the leading clearance player from the u18 championships with our second pick in the draft.

Just keep him away from Fev

 

[sosos]

You're no longer welcome.

 

[Silvagnis]

And then drafted the leading clearance player from the u18 championships with our second pick in the draft.

Plus our ruck department being up and running means that Brennan (our best clearance player behind Black) can actually concentrate on winning clearances instead of being an undersized backup ruck.

Amazing how much better things appear when you look at the whole picture isn't it Genny!

Interesting see though that the same people who are talking about us not being future focused are now chastising us for not picking up Luke Ball. Cuckoo!

Redden is a bottom age kid.

There is such a thing as second year Blues.

IIRC, your fans said you had a problem with clearances last year.

And that you traded so you would get a good shot at the upcoming uncompromised drafts.

Surely Ball would have been drafted if that was the case.

Hawthorn taking the contracted Hooper, WC taking Dalziell and Bradshaw leaving could have created more cap space.

Carlton are paying a small portion of Fevola's contract which you extended by a year.

It's your right to spin the trade and defend your club anyway you want.

Even though you're trading for three potentially terrific seasons and pick 27 by offloading two potential ten year players.

AA players and Coleman Medallists aren't usually traded out after one of their better seasons.

And still feted as a star.

Yet you consider parrot a flog.

 

[Salaryman]

You only require the insight of a gnat to see that Voss is a raving narcissist/egomaniac.....trade week simply confirmed it, you can rationalise it all you like, but I wouldn't be happy if we added a group of 28-something B-graders in the off-season