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Am pretty sure he played in the indigenous round during his first season.
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Am pretty sure he played in the indigenous round during his first season.
He was one that I hoped we drafted last year, especially as he seems destined be a KPP/Ruckman, and that would be pretty much what the doctor ordered. Be interesting to see how he goes.
EDIT; Just read through the comments on the last page re Kickett, thanks Chris especially. For me he I still imagine he must have been close to being drafted. We still need talls, and it is going to be a lot harder to find them in the next 2 drafts. Speculating on talls seems a good option.
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Just so we know, Cam Kickett will be heading off to GWS...
Pay that
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The rumor went that if Kickett was not drafted in 09 (and guessing 10) Sheedy had said that he will get him over when he could...
They certainly have their eye on Kickett as the following article states. Although it doesn't appear that he is signed up so still available this year if he gets fit, has a good season.
http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/n...ules/swans-rue-one-that-got-away/1753424.aspx
Agree on the lack of size issue for a back-up ruckman, although he does add some flexibility in that he can compete in the ruck if absolutely required.
He has some size about him and a great leap and contested mark, so I agree, could make a good forward and should be played in that role rather than in the ruck.
http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/n...ules/swans-rue-one-that-got-away/1753424.aspx
Agree on the lack of size issue for a back-up ruckman, although he does add some flexibility in that he can compete in the ruck if absolutely required.
He has some size about him and a great leap and contested mark, so I agree, could make a good forward and should be played in that role rather than in the ruck.
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The stats in Chris' post pretty much nails why Cam wasn't drafted in the recent drafts - his skinfold tests were just very ordinary (almost awful, even for a potential draftee, especially with so many of today's over-trained "juniors" having body fat % almost on par with elite veteran athletes). Add to that his measured height and vertical leap test results, and you have a non-starter, even for rookie lists - as compared to a Majak Daw or a Mike Pyke, who had good enough "athletic qualities" to justify a punt.
Mind you, my understanding is he now measures close to 193, so if he keeps growing, gets the body fat down, and works on the vertical leap, I think he could well still be a decent mature age prospect. If he can get some WAFL finals series under his belt, and mature in attitude, he could be the ruck mature age equivalent of a Broughton, a Barlow or a SNOS.
On topic, thanks for all the reports everyone, and great to see that a few of you made it to the ressies as well - I miss the WAFL so much!!
Mind you, my understanding is he now measures close to 193, so if he keeps growing, gets the body fat down, and works on the vertical leap, I think he could well still be a decent mature age prospect. If he can get some WAFL finals series under his belt, and mature in attitude, he could be the ruck mature age equivalent of a Broughton, a Barlow or a SNOS.
On topic, thanks for all the reports everyone, and great to see that a few of you made it to the ressies as well - I miss the WAFL so much!!
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Yes it is. He did play one game for Freo'
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he has the talent, but i cant help but think of caleb mourish when i see him
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Most didn't see what Caleb could really do. Watched him with the BiL in the GNFL and he was awesome. Stunning even.
Some don't make the transition to city life so well.
My point?
Mourish showed NOTHING at WAFL level. Less than nothing.
Kickett has. He is a natural footballer.
And I will expand on the wank that BPG spouted.
Too often we look past a guys natural footballing abilities and dismiss him because he doesn't meet a certain set of parameters that the draft camp subscribes to.
These tests are valuable for assessing athletes like Naitanui , but apart from speed tests, show nothing about a players NATURAL ability.
How can you measure agility in its purest terms?
How can you measure the ability to manouvre through traffic?
How can you measure the ability to read the play?
How can you measure the instinct to run to the right place or make the correct decision under pressure?
Michael Barlow anyone?
Draft camp stats in the main...and all of this body fat crap are pure bullshit.
And it's a pity that some posters hang there hats on bullshit like this to make them look knowledgeable.
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It's ok.
Feels strange doing this... George... well flipping said mate
Go and wash yourself
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Yeah, pretty happy with Houghton at #36. If Kickett is much chop, im sure we will have more than enough opportunity to pick him.
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I smell a theory.
GG I tend to agree with that.
But it was attitude more than his skinfolds that hurt him.
Injuring his thigh for WA then not caring enough to do the right rehab so he could play the next game really hurt him.
It disappointed alot of people in the WA academy, and alot of recruiters.
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I wasn't aware of that. Cheers.
But if it comes down to attitude, then that can be rectified.
Obviously, it can only be rectified if he WANTS it to be so.
But the natural talent is there and maturity takes longer in some.
This is where smart clubs use kids like Hill or stars like Wirra to talk to the kid and motivate him.
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Thanks for the abusive post George. I can't ever recall claiming to be knowledgeable about anything. I never defended Mourish or Collard, and would not draft either. In both cases, their stats (especially skinfolds, agility results, tackling and 1%s) showed why they would struggle at AFL level. One of CoonollySchwabboloys great failings was their insistence on backing "good judges" rather than stats, personality tests and proven performance.
For the record, and for those that haven't seen the parts of my post that you deleted, I did not write Cam off, I just explained why he wasn't even rookied in the last draft. In fact, I think my post made a fair case for why we should keep an eye on him and draft him if he keeps improving in height and fitness.
And the whole reason Barlow was drafted where he was by us (and Silv, and Broughton before him, and Walters and Pearce) is because our recruiters looked at their stats, and their tested athletic ability and saw promise. Both Bro and Barlow had top 50 results in a number of the athletic and stats tests.
Kickett wasn't drafted in 2009 because he hasn't yet shown the same ability, either in measurables (height, agility, which is very measurable, or fitness, where skinfold is a very valid test), or in "natural playing ability".
I look forward to the AFL ruckman or Key Position Forward who is 187 cm, with agility results equal to those that Cam had at 2009 draft testing, the same skinfolds that he had in 2009, and no WAFL, VFL or SANFL premierships.
I have said Kickett is already taller than at the 2009 draft, and he may well improve in his ability across the board, in which case he'll have a decent career - but the draft camp and state testing stats clearly show why many others were drafted in 2009 and Kickett wasn't.
Hopefully, he'll grow and improve, perform well in the WAFL in 2010, and get drafted early in the draft this year.
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It wasn't abusive BPG.
I said that it was wank.
Do you enjoy your soy chai latte's?
It is still wank.
Have you seen the kid play Canberra boy?
I said that it was wank.
Do you enjoy your soy chai latte's?
It is still wank.
Have you seen the kid play Canberra boy?
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Oh, and tell us all how the draft camp evaluates 1%'s and tackling.
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Yep, five full games and three part games where I had to leave part way through.
I didn't say draft camp itself did assess those things - the stats prepared for recruiters for draft camp and state screenings do, though - drawing on stats from (in recent years) nearly 3 full seasons of play in most cases. And, so you know, the actual tests are also designed to allow an objective assessment of a player's willingness to consistently push the limits under extreme pressure - which is just what I define as the extra efforts required for 1%.
You don't agree with this, fine, that's your opinion. There is no reason to call my opinion (or Chris' or any of the other posters) w*nk.
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