Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 2

[Gethelred]

This is a sensitive area for some. With that in mind, I'm going to remind a few posters a few things:

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This is a forum for adults, and I'd appreciate you all treating each other appropriately.

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[Visions]

Most of the talk (/propaganda?) was; they won't retreat from kherson. If they lose it, there will be heavy fighting.

Don't think they will fight for it. Most likely just trying to do an organised retreat rather than last stand do or die.

If Ukraine get within artillery range of both bridges, no use for Russian forces to bother fighting as the UAF can pot shot any crossing with impunity leaving no supplies coming over.

 

[Visions]

Russians can't even get logs for their trenches.



Meanwhile, Ukrainians build saunas in theirs.

 

[Visions]

UAF doing the world a favour and not only taking out Russian oppressors but also those from Iran.

 

[Visions]

What they failed to mention is that recently Belarus sent all its modern tanks and vehicles to Russia along with a lot of ammunition. So what they are proably getting back in is rusted out T-62's and other crap.

Lukashenko isnt conducting any invasion, especially if Poland continue to send equipment to the border, he will sh!t himself.

 

[mighty tiges]

What have the Romans ever done for us ...

 

[mighty tiges]

What they failed to mention is that recently Belarus sent all its modern tanks and vehicles to Russia along with a lot of ammunition. So what they are proably getting back in is rusted out T-62's and other crap.

Lukashenko isnt conducting any invasion, especially if Poland continue to send equipment to the border, he will sh!t himself.

Yep, more ancient T-62s pulled out of Russian storage museums.

 

[wannabejack]

Russians can't even get logs for their trenches.



Meanwhile, Ukrainians build saunas in theirs.

Ukrainians using the Russian logs to heat the stones for their sauna.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Russians can't even get logs for their trenches.



Meanwhile, Ukrainians build saunas in theirs.

Have to appreciate how hard core the Ukrainian is. Around the Bakhmut area they’re outnumbered around 5:1 and obviously have disadvantages in material. And their chatter is about going on the counter offensive ASAP.

 

[EagleMan87]

Have to appreciate how hard core the Ukrainian is. Around the Bakhmut area they’re outnumbered around 5:1 and obviously have disadvantages in material. And their chatter is about going on the counter offensive ASAP.

 

[footyfan1978]

Meanwhile, Ukrainians build saunas in theirs.

Legends!!!
Now that is morale to actually do that for your fellow soldiers in middle of horrible war.

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[Present Not Past]

What is the tactic here.
Will NATO (Poland) or in cooperation with the US, attack Belarus if they attack Ukraine?
Do they expect Russia not to retaliate against an ally being attacked?

 

[Visions]

Have to appreciate how hard core the Ukrainian is. Around the Bakhmut area they’re outnumbered around 5:1 and obviously have disadvantages in material. And their chatter is about going on the counter offensive ASAP.

The defence of Bakhmut will (should) go down in history as one of the greatest defensive battles of all time. It is a Stalingrad of the modern era.

Rumours are that Wagner forces have been given an order to capture the town by the end of October and that they get a bonus if they do capture it hence why they are throwing everything at it.

Many lives are being lost with mindless frontal attacks straight into Ukrainian firepower. Strategy straight from the trenches of WW1.

 

[BobbyMorri]

What is the tactic here.
Will NATO (Poland) or in cooperation with the US, attack Belarus if they attack Ukraine?
Do they expect Russia not to retaliate against an ally being attacked?

I dont think they would invade.

Belarus has been threatening them as well as Ukraine. Though current Belarus is a joke of a country, one should just be certain not to be caught with its pants down.

It might also look like a threat that they(Poland) may intervene if Belarus did something stupid.

 

[mighty tiges]

Legend!

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[Frank Grimes]

What is the tactic here.
Will NATO (Poland) or in cooperation with the US, attack Belarus if they attack Ukraine?
Do they expect Russia not to retaliate against an ally being attacked?

I'm not 100% what will happen. I think it is just posturing on their border and unlikely to invade Belarus.

If they do get involved it would be more likely they will attack the Belarusian forces within Ukraine territory.

Even if Poland do invade Belarus, Russia won't retaliate. Not because they don't want to, but because they can't. They have expended most of their conventional forces in Ukraine, so they have no or very little conventional forces to help defend Belarus. There is no way they'd resort to nukes to help defend other counties but themselves.

 

[Mobbs]

No Country Without Men

"17:00 Krasnoyarsk resident Maria Smorodskaya went to the picket with a poster "There is no country without men." She was detained, she told OVD-Info.
The woman is charged with an article on non-compliance with the rules of conduct during high alert (Article 20.6.1 of the Code of Administrative Offenses)."



Edit: Sorry forgot to add the source [tayga.info]

 

[Sir_Loin]

Is that Chesty Puller?

 

[Sir_Loin]

The defence of Bakhmut will (should) go down in history as one of the greatest defensive battles of all time. It is a Stalingrad of the modern era.

Rumours are that Wagner forces have been given an order to capture the town by the end of October and that they get a bonus if they do capture it hence why they are throwing everything at it.

Many lives are being lost with mindless frontal attacks straight into Ukrainian firepower. Strategy straight from the trenches of WW1.

I’ve seen some footage of Wagner forces charging AFU positions in what can only be described as human wave attacks. Absolutely madness.

 

[Visions]

Seems the question is whether this Russian retreat will be organised or chaotic. Unlike their Kyiv surrender, there are limited ways that they can move over the Dnipro river with bridges out and ferries and boats seemingly the only options.

If the Ukrainians push a bit they can turn this into a real rout.

Also looking forward to the propaganda Putin will use to frame this as a win for the orcs.

 

[Fire]

I'm not 100% what will happen. I think it is just posturing on their border and unlikely to invade Belarus.

If they do get involved it would be more likely they will attack the Belarusian forces within Ukraine territory.

Even if Poland do invade Belarus, Russia won't retaliate. Not because they don't want to, but because they can't. They have expended most of their conventional forces in Ukraine, so they have no or very little conventional forces to help defend Belarus. There is no way they'd resort to nukes to help defend other counties but themselves.

Poland invading Belarus would end Putin, for this reason. He cant do anything about it. Like he can't do anything about his CSTO acting up. It's a pretend alliance. China is playing Kazahkstan against him too.

There would be a Belarusian regime change, and Russia will have essentially lost both Ukraine in its entirety, and Belarus. Sweden and Finland have joined NATO. In 10 years time so will Belarus and Ukraine. Even if Russia somehow rebuilds their army, they will never have any influence over Europe again. And by then Europe will have no need for them at all.

This war is an unmitigated disaster. Even if Russia manage to annex some territory, they will emerge poorer, weaker, more isolated, with nowhere to go or anyone to turn to. They've suffered the mother of all brain drains, both through emigration and bullets. Their demographics are also falling off a cliff so there will be no better days for the coming generations to look towards. Just a slow, inextolerable decent lower with each passing year. They will have no choice but to sell whatever future they have to an Asia that is mad keen to **** them.

All because of one man, who spent so long portraying a lie that he ended up believing it, and in turn made one very stupid decision.

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[BobbyMorri]

A Belarus invasion of Ukraine would be not help for Russia anyway

Would be like Romania in WW1. They might gain some yards in the first week or so, but after that, it is just another front which Russia has to defend, and they are already struggling to defend the the current front line as it is.

In WW1, Romania was defeated in a year or so, leaving a whole Russian Army in stuck in the south in another country and another option for the Central Powers to attack from.