Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 3

[Mobbs]

Can't find any claims of fabrication. Seems likely true. The fact Russian media including RIA Novosti are also saying its true, is the only reason we have left, to doubt it.

"Baza claims that one of the versions of the plane crash , in which, according to the Federal Air Transport Agency, was Yevgeny Prigozhin, is a terrorist attack. At the same time, in the video from social networks, next to the falling plane, another trace is visible in the sky, presumably from the work of air defense." [link (SOTA)]

"один тиран на смену другому тирану это не решение" (one tyrant to replace another tyrant is not a solution)

PS: Ukrainian TG Channel Trukha Ukraina posted just an emoji of popcorn in one post.

Edit: "Bodies of Yevgeny Prigozhin and Dmitry Utkin identified - Russian media. In the near future, a genetic examination will be carried out. It is also interesting to hear the comments of the GUR on this matter." [link (Trukha Ukraina)]
(this to me is a kind of a red flag - makes me a little more doubtful)

Edit: "Russia 24" informed viewers about the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin. UPD: the TV channel did not confirm the death of Prigozhin, but said that he was on the passenger list. [link (SOTA)]

Edit: R13 channel warns "ATTENTION: ... Remember, this is Rusnya and you can’t trust them! It can be a distraction and nothing more!" [link (R13)]

 

[Mobbs]

DeepState confirms liberation of Robotyne [link]
Fighters of the 47th OMBr raised the flag of Ukraine in the village of Robotyne. A flag was raised in the southern part, indicating his release. The village moves into the blue zone.

 

[Mobbs]

Roscosmos congratulated Indian colleagues on the successful landing of the mission on the Moon. “Explorations of the Moon are important for all mankind, in the future it can become a platform for deep space exploration,” the department’s telegram channel says.

The landing was broadcast live on YouTube and in Indian media. India's Chandrayaan-3 lander successfully landed on the lunar surface today. India became the fourth country to successfully land a spacecraft on the surface of an Earth satellite (after the USSR, the USA and China).

[link (Sibirmedia)]

 

[Mobbs]

(Remember western movie studios ceased allowing their movies to be distributed in Russia some 18 monts ago with the first round of sanctions)

In Tomsk, two cinemas launched pirated versions of the latest foreign films: Morbius, Doctor Strange: Into the Multiverse of Madness, Batman, and Fantastic Beasts: A Dumbledore Mystery. Siberian Mash filmed a video from the audience: you can see (and hear) that people are watching a film with unofficial dubbing.

In the poster on the site, these films are marked as showings “within the framework of the cinema club”: supposedly the films are shown by the tenant, not the cinema, and then film lovers can discuss them “in the lobby”. In the comments in a separate group , you can find out the name of the studio, in whose dubbing each film is shown, and you can buy a ticket only at the box office

This post was about 3 weeks old. [link (Sibirmedia)] - Further links rabbit hole within the TG post.

 

[faible]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-66599774

Wagner boss dying in plane crash, a few weeks after a coup attempt? Hmm.

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin killed in plane crash two months after mutiny, Russia's civil aviation authority says

Ten people died after a private jet crashed in Russia's Tver region north of Moscow, Russia's TASS news agency reports.

www.abc.net.au

Putin gets his man, as expected

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

Wow, Progozhin and Utkin allegdly gone. Probably was ballsy to be getting around by plane hey. Incredibly interested to see what the hell happens in Africa now, with his troops allegedly being what is underpinning some very heavy happenings in the CAR, Mali, Niger and even Burkina Faso.

 

[mighty tiges]

DeepState confirms liberation of Robotyne [link]
Fighters of the 47th OMBr raised the flag of Ukraine in the village of Robotyne. A flag was raised in the southern part, indicating his release. The village moves into the blue zone.

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Prigozhin dead? ...... whether he is or isn't he is out of the picture

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

BBC Report still leaving the door slightly ajar in terms of him being alive, saying that another of his jets landed safely. Does say that the Greyzone is running with confirmed dead. I’d say he is, they would’ve known what plane he was on and if they weren’t sure they would’ve shot down both planes.

As I said I really wonder what is planned and what happens now with the thousands of Wagnerites in Africa…

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin presumed dead after Russia plane crash - BBC News

The Russian private military company boss was on the passenger list of the jet which came down near Moscow.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Waiting for ..... it was a terrorist act by Ukrainian saboteurs

 

[GhostofJimJess]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-66599774

Wagner boss dying in plane crash, a few weeks after a coup attempt? Hmm.

Wow, didn't see that one coming.

 

[Satan]

Run out of poison?

 

[Frank Grimes]

The only thing that I'm surprised at this is that it took this long for Putin to assassinate Prigohzin. Who knows maybe he originally intended to let Prigohzin live, but Prigozhin didn't keep his head down and make himself discreet parading around Moscow making Putin look weak.

There is also a very vague possibility that the plane was struck by pro-Ukranian militants.

Either way it's going to affect Putin's image in one way or the other. If it is a Putin hit then it just increases the image of him being nothing more than a mob boss running a country. If it's a pro-Ukrainian hit then it gives the image that Putin is incapable of protecting the Russian people or higher ups.

 

[Saint]

Suroivikin to take over Wagner?

There's a chance Prigozhin is alive, but Putin wants him put to retirement so they blow up the plane with his 2IC, he disappears forever and another of Putin's minions is appointed to lead Wagner.

In reality, it's probably just Putin taking out the trash. He let Prigozhin get comfortable back in Russia and then took the appropriate measures for a traitor.

 

[Mobbs]

In addition to Yevgeny Prigozhin, two of his deputies were on the plane with him.

• Dmitry Utkin - Reserve lieutenant colonel, professional military, until 2013 - commander of the 700th separate special forces detachment of the 2nd separate special forces brigade of the GRU of the Ministry of Defense. Commander of the Wagner Group
• Valery Chekalov - ex-businessman, was associated with Prigozhin's business structures. Prigozhin's deputy at the Wagner PMC, allegedly in charge of the PMC's security service.
• Yevgeny Makaryan - a fighter of PMC "Wagner", is on the lists of the Ukrainian site "Peacemaker".
• Alexander Totmin - fighter PMC "Wagner". According to the Ukrainian website "Peacemaker", he fought in Sudan.
• Propustin Sergey - a fighter of the PMC "Wagner", a reconnaissance grenade launcher, is on the lists of the Ukrainian site "Peacemaker".
• Matuseev Nikolai - information about him could not be found.

[link (Baza)]

 

[Mobbs]

We still don't know if Prigozhin and other Wagner leaders are dead or not.
At the moment, the Federal Air Transport Agency has confirmed that there was a person on the crashed plane who introduced himself as Prigozhin Evgeniy.
At the same time, the militant had twins who had the same full name as Prigogine.

(Note that the translation is poor, they mean that there were two Wagnerites with the same name, they weren't related twins)

[link (DOXA)]

 

[Saint]

I'm just going to wait until the next Russia apologists suggests again that Ukraine should cut a peace deal with Putin, as if Putin can be trusted. Just in the way he said Prigozhin was not under threat. Or that he wasn't going to invade Ukraine.

"Oh, this time will be different, he'll keep his promises this time, I just know it"

 

[Gavin Excell]

Run out of poison?

Perhaps there weren't buildings tall enough in Belarus for him to have suffered a shock fall

 

[Mobbs]

Videos surface of Wagnerites announcing they are on the move. No verification and high chance it's random bluster.

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[Frank Grimes]

I wonder what the Wagner soldiers who marched to Moscow with Prigohzin who had a deal to either go thr Belarus, go back home or rejoin the army would be thinking right now?

 

[Satan]

I'm just going to wait until the next Russia apologists suggests again that Ukraine should cut a peace deal with Putin, as if Putin can be trusted. Just in the way he said Prigozhin was not under threat. Or that he wasn't going to invade Ukraine.

"Oh, this time will be different, he'll keep his promises this time, I just know it"

Vivek?

 

[Gavin Excell]

I'm just going to wait until the next Russia apologists suggests again that Ukraine should cut a peace deal with Putin, as if Putin can be trusted. Just in the way he said Prigozhin was not under threat. Or that he wasn't going to invade Ukraine.

"Oh, this time will be different, he'll keep his promises this time, I just know it"

Putins character is clear for all to see. Like many Russian leaders before him his word means nothing

 

[Saint]

Vivek?

I meant here, but of course they're going to sound stupid in tonight's debate when they say they'll be able to cut a deal with Putin.

The follow-up question should be:

"Who would you send to negotiations and how will you protect their jet from being shot down after the meeting?"

 

[The Sultan]

BBC Report still leaving the door slightly ajar in terms of him being alive, saying that another of his jets landed safely. Does say that the Greyzone is running with confirmed dead. I’d say he is, they would’ve known what plane he was on and if they weren’t sure they would’ve shot down both planes.

As I said I really wonder what is planned and what happens now with the thousands of Wagnerites in Africa…

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin presumed dead after Russia plane crash - BBC News

The Russian private military company boss was on the passenger list of the jet which came down near Moscow.

www.bbc.co.uk

up there with Jeff Epstein as the most unsurprising deaths.