Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

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Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

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Behave, people.

 

[Zidane98]

Putin loses French election with Kremlin sycophant Le Pen coming a distant 3rd after high hopes of winning a majority.

 

[Mobbs]

Seems nobody else mentioned this yet:

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Nothing to see here. Just pigs eating dead Russian soldier corpses.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[Zidane98]

Boom

 

[wannabejack]

Experts react: French voters beat back the far right in an election surprise. What’s next for France and Macron?

The left-wing alliance New Popular Front and centrist parties aligned with President Emmanuel Macron emerged ahead of the far-right National Front on Sunday.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

... the left-wing group’s platform calls for “unfailing defense of the Ukrainian people’s sovereignty and freedom, including the integrity of Ukraine’s borders, through the necessary arms transfers” and taking the necessary steps to ensure Russian President Vladimir Putin will “fail in his war of aggression.”

 

[Visions]

Putin loses French election with Kremlin sycophant Le Pen coming a distant 3rd after high hopes of winning a majority.

What a shame…..

Also in another blow for the genocidal leader in the Kremlin, in the Netherlands, despite the far right party and the pro Russian vatnik Geert Wilders winning the most seats, Geert had to withdraw from the prime minister race because no one wanted to align with him.

In the end the new Prime minister is Dick Schoof who the other day proclaimed continued support for Ukraine.

Seems that Russia murdering a few hundred Dutch citizens in a plane with a ballistic missile is still somewhat of a sticking point.

 

[Zidane98]

Big bad nasty NATO border with Russia pretty much deserted:


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This would not happen if Putin genuinely believed NATO was a threat to Russia.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Mobilisation issues solved in Russia:

Zombie apocalypse

 

[Visions]

Big bad nasty NATO border with Russia pretty much deserted:


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This would not happen if Putin genuinely believed NATO was a threat to Russia.

So the “severe consequences” threat for joining NATO promised by Putin and his forever drunk buddy Medvedev has been to leave the border unattended. Must be another goodwill gesture or feint!

Thats not the only place they have left. Chinese border is fully open to an attack by whoever pleases.



Vatniks are forever telling us the Russians have limitless soldiers and equipment. Yet it seems they are running out when they have to resort to pulling them from everywhere.

 

[Visions]

Experts react: French voters beat back the far right in an election surprise. What’s next for France and Macron?

The left-wing alliance New Popular Front and centrist parties aligned with President Emmanuel Macron emerged ahead of the far-right National Front on Sunday.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

... the left-wing group’s platform calls for “unfailing defense of the Ukrainian people’s sovereignty and freedom, including the integrity of Ukraine’s borders, through the necessary arms transfers” and taking the necessary steps to ensure Russian President Vladimir Putin will “fail in his war of aggression.”

 

[Zidane98]

Vladivostok is China's if it desires. Along with China becoming the dominant power in Central Asia at the expense of Russia.

Putin is being played by Xi bigtime.

 

[Mobbs]

RF targeted a children's hospital in Kyiv.

 

[Cap]

RF targeted a children's hospital in Kyiv.

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I guess those children just have to accept it because Natos expansion

 

[Zidane98]

 

[wannabejack]

 

[kalex6251]

russian trolls were feverishly trying to blame the childrens hospital attack on ukraine in advance of an upcoming nato meeting .... someone should ask putin suppositories like farage and mad marge - or, closer to home, zippy babet - what they think of these claims

 

[Zidane98]

russian trolls were feverishly trying to blame the childrens hospital attack on ukraine in advance of an upcoming nato meeting .... someone should ask putin suppositories like farage and mad marge - or, closer to home, zippy babet - what they think of these claims

Putin losing out in UK & France. Another loss in the US election will be a huge blow to his dreams of political influence & building of USSR 2.0 lite.

 

[Mobbs]

russian trolls were feverishly trying to blame the childrens hospital attack on ukraine in advance of an upcoming nato meeting .... someone should ask putin suppositories like farage and mad marge - or, closer to home, zippy babet - what they think of these claims

I dunno what forms those claims are taking but this rules out any claims that argue it wasn't a RF missile aimed directly at the hospital, which hit it:
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[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Putin losing out in UK & France. Another loss in the US election will be a huge blow to his dreams of political influence & building of USSR 2.0 lite.

UK?
Thankfully both parties are doing the right thing over there

 

[kalex6251]

a sample of the rubbish being pushed on elons Xitter - few of bone spurs MAGAt army now joining in the pile on

 

[Zidane98]

I dunno what forms those claims are taking but this rules out any claims that argue it wasn't a RF missile aimed directly at the hospital, which hit it:
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Clear evidence of a KH-101 cruise missile strike. Costs the fascist Russians around 13m per unit. GLONASS guidance, accurate to within 10 meters.


Considering a maternity hospital was also hit and there is no military value to targeting Kyiv this can possibly only be a targeted attack on Ukranian civlians to terrorise them.

 

[Zidane98]

Absolute fascist scum the Russians are. They have the gall to again suggest this was Ukraine attacking itself which is of course ridiculous:

 

[Mobbs]

Articles from [Kyiv Independent TG].

38 missiles fired, 8 got through:

Ukraine intercepted 30 of 38 Russian missiles during mass attack, Air Force says.

Ukrainian forces downed 30 of the 38 Russian missiles launched during a large-scale attack against multiple cities on the morning of July 8, the Air Force said.

In total, Russian forces launched one Kinzhal ballistic missile, four Iskander-M ballistic missiles, one 3M22 Zirkon hypersonic cruise missile, 13 Kh-101 cruise missiles, 14 Kalibr cruise missiles, two Kh-22 cruise missiles, and three Kh-59/69 guided aerial missiles, according to the statement.

USA thinks it's fine:

US doesn't change its policy on Ukrainian strikes inside Russia, following July 8 attack.

The U.S. will not permit Ukraine to strike deeper inside Russian territory following the deadly July 8 attack, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said during a press briefing.

"There's been no change in our policy. You saw the president several weeks ago gave guidance to Ukraine that they can use U.S.-supplied weapons to strike targets just over the border. That's still the case," Kirby told reporters on July 8.

Target towns included Kyiv, Pokrovsk, Krivy Rih, Dnipro, Zhytomyr region was also targetted but it's said none of those missiles got through.

 

[Mobbs]

"The UN Security Council will meet tomorrow, July 9, at the request of several countries after a children's hospital was destroyed in a missile attack on Kyiv. The application was submitted by Britain, France, Slovenia and Ecuador." [ASTRA TG]

 

[Zidane98]

"The UN Security Council will meet tomorrow, July 9, at the request of several countries after a children's hospital was destroyed in a missile attack on Kyiv. The application was submitted by Britain, France, Slovenia and Ecuador." [ASTRA TG]

With Russia chairing the UNSC this month...