Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

[Gethelred]

This is the thread for discussing the War in Ukraine. Should you want to discuss the geopolitics, the history, or an interesting tangent, head over here:

Europe - Backdrop to the war in Ukraine

This is the thread for the geopolitics, history and framework around the Russia-Ukraine conflict. If you want to discuss the events of the war, head over to this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/war-in-ukraine-thread-4-thread-rules-updated.1376293/page-146

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If a post isn't directly concerning the events of the war or starts to derail the thread, report the post to us and we'll move it over there.

Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.

 

[barreness]

What??

No!!!

That's a Special Military Operation.

Almost no one declares war these days, US hasn't since Pearl Harbour

 

[barreness]

NATO should equip Ukraine with more modern equipment rather than their cast off used equipment. All the NATO countries are going through a modernisation of their military ready to defend themselves against russian attack. Poland has increased its military spending to 3 percent of GDP.
russia is no longer a “much bigger and better armed neighbour” as they once may have been. They’re now relying on Iran and North Korea for weapons and now soldiers on the ground.

Most of their artillery stockpile, Challengers/Leopards/Abrahms/HIMRS/F16. It's pretty fancy tech and still hasn't turned the tide

NATO can “go in full tilt” (or not quite full tilt) but restrict itself to Ukraine’s borders. (russia has North Korean troops in russia). Ukraine can continue their attacks inside russia.

And yet they haven't in three years

 

[barreness]

Putin and Kim don't care. Putin gets cannon fodder, kicking the can down the road, of needing to mobilise in Moscow and St. Petersburg and Kim gets money (I think it was around $2-3k per soldier). When NK starves it's citizens, because so many are in the army instead of the economy, any losses are irrelevant. 3, 10 or 50 thousand dead soldiers, when they have millions of (poorly trained and malnourished) soldiers means even less to Kim, then dead minorities and prisoners means to Putin. Shit, it wouldn't surprise me if Kim sees the deaths as a positive, with less mouths to feed.

You know the famines in NK were almost 30 years ago. It's the most propagandised country in the world, most of this stuff is based off SK 'intelligence' reports