We need to win the premiership for the sake of football

[Tomozaurus]

Sorry about the flood of threads

We need to do it to beat this zone crap that is taking over our game. As the bulldogs bow out, we are the only contender that doesn't play around defence. St. Kilda bases they're whole game around a zone, and Collingwood base they're entire game around making the opisition give them the ball instead of getting it themselves.

We need more teams that base they're game around attack, like us, or Freo sits in this boat too.

 

[hamG]

Re: We need to win the GF for the sake of football...

We've used zone based defense before and will in the future.

Freo & Melbourne will tear zones to pieces as their playing lists mature. We can pass the mantle if need be

 

[JewNoy]

Re: We need to win the GF for the sake of football...

Sorry about the flood of threads

We need to do it to beat this zone crap that is taking over our game. As the bulldogs bow out, we are the only contender that doesn't play around defence. St. Kilda bases they're whole game around a zone, and Collingwood base they're entire game around making the opisition give them the ball instead of getting it themselves.

We need more teams that base they're game around attack, like us, or Freo sits in this boat too.

If saint kilda were to win it, it would be a slap in the face of footy. I have never seen a more depressing gameplan, it is an absolute disgrace to watch

 

[Tomozaurus]

Re: We need to win the GF for the sake of football...

We've used zone based defense before and will in the future.

Freo & Melbourne will tear zones to pieces as their playing lists mature. We can pass the mantle if need be

We don't base our game around it though like St. Kilda or Collingwood. Our game is about running, attacking at all costs. And yes, Freo and Melbourne are in the same boat, and will help us in the future, but we need to lead the charge. Negative football isn't allowed to win a premiership.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Re: We need to win the GF for the sake of football...

Pretty sure Sydney won a premiership 5 years ago.

 

[Syphoncom]

Re: We need to win the GF for the sake of football...

We don't base our game around it though like St. Kilda or Collingwood. Our game is about running, attacking at all costs. And yes, Freo and Melbourne are in the same boat, and will help us in the future, but we need to lead the charge. Negative football isn't allowed to win a premiership.

I fail to see how Collingwood isn't an attacking team. Yes, we "pressure" the opposition into turning over the ball. Good skill to have no?

For one of the most inaccurate teams in the competition, we finished the season with the 2nd most "For" with over 2300 points, and the highest score of the season with 162 points.

I guess feel free to have be the most attacking in the competition, but if it doesn't work it means little.

 

[AidanNelson2009]

Re: We need to win the GF for the sake of football...

Sorry about the flood of threads

We need to do it to beat this zone crap that is taking over our game. As the bulldogs bow out, we are the only contender that doesn't play around defence. St. Kilda bases they're whole game around a zone, and Collingwood base they're entire game around making the opisition give them the ball instead of getting it themselves.

We need more teams that base they're game around attack, like us, or Freo sits in this boat too.

Yeah, it's going to be hard though, the Saints know how to strangle us. We took the game to a whole new level in 2007, no team knew how to stop it but now they do, the Saints and the Pies just Zone up and pressure the Cats into making mistakes. I believe our style of play is still good enough to beat sides like Collingwood and St. Kilda, but we must put 4 good quarters together.

 

[mysainters]

Easy to say after a couple of premierships.

Good on Geelong, they play an amazing brand of footy, I love the spectable....

However, and excuse my bluntness, I am not about to give a stuff if Saints do whatever they can to win.

You know what, if we could reverse back a couple of years before merchandise bearing 'Cats Premiers 2007' and 'Cats Premiers 2009' was a reality, either would you.

It's just you are never going to be honest about it, and I can understand that, because you are fortunate enough to be drunk on success.

All the best next week.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Ask the General Public (neutral supporter) which game they enjoyed more, 2007 GF or 2009 GF?

And correct me if I'm wrong, but the last 4 games we have played have been amazing and are building a pretty decent rivalry. Some people are talking about this rivalry...rivalling the amazing rivalry of West Coast vs Sydney. Which surprisingly were all mainly low scoring tight matches...

We were the 3rd highest scoring team last year, and Roo, Kosi and Milney kicked close to 200 goals. This year losing Roo lost us a lot of our attack, but at our best I think we're still a fairly attacking team. And we were on track for 15 goals+ until the rain came last night...

At any rate, I think this topic is a slight overreaction See you guys in 4 weeks.

 

[Godzilla!]

You need to win the premiership for the sake of footy, not because of the defensive rubbish, but to ensure that Collingwood don't win.

 

[Tomozaurus]

Re: We need to win the GF for the sake of football...

I fail to see how Collingwood isn't an attacking team. Yes, we "pressure" the opposition into turning over the ball. Good skill to have no?

For one of the most inaccurate teams in the competition, we finished the season with the 2nd most "For" with over 2300 points, and the highest score of the season with 162 points.

I guess feel free to have be the most attacking in the competition, but if it doesn't work it means little.

Wrong. They play the afl equivilent of a full court press, which is an unadulterated zone and score all of they're goals off turnovers from said zone. The game plan is based entierly around making the oposition play badly so they can win, not about taking it on and coming out on top.

 

[InnocentBystandr]

Re: We need to win the GF for the sake of football...

StK have developed a game plan designed to defeat Geelong (that's why they recruited Leigh Tudor). What's more - it works. We play crap against them. You can't knock their attack when you consider their marks inside 50 on Friday. Opposition teams have recognised that Geelong is vulnerable to pressure, it might be unattractive football, but hey, if it works...
To win the flag, we have to rise above that.

If the spectacle of the game was the criteria, the soft 'hands in the back' rule that has nearly killed the 'specky' would be reversed. Same for the 'bump', and 'holding the ball'.

 

[Rik E Boy]

This may be a simplistic view, but I thought we didn't attack them enough. We did in the second half and it paid dividends. Carlton and Essendon this season have scored wins against the Saints by taking the game on. We are more talented so it's time to evoke the spirit of 2007 and just have a crack. During the first half on Friday we were even going down the flanks...this is exactly what has failed for Collingwood against St Kilda many times over the past few years.

If we have to lose, go down swinging! If we play the Saints again it wouldn't hurt to have a look at a few Essendon v Saints games and see what we can learn.

regards,

REB

 

[Turbocat]

You can not put the Genie back in the bottle. Whether its us or a Pies V Saints in the GF expect most side to devote themselves to 200 interchanges a game , full ground presses and scores that look like Soccer.

Some same the games has evolved , some say it has been distorted .. what ever you think it will never be what it was. I would put money on , less than 18 being on the ground within the next 10 years. The only way to reduce congestions is to use Netball Zones (wont happen) or reduce numbers on the ground. The game will continue to alter and I foresee the preseason comps will 14 V 14 with 10 on the bench at some stage in the future.

 

[Ashb23]

Ask the General Public (neutral supporter) which game they enjoyed more, 2007 GF or 2009 GF?

And correct me if I'm wrong, but the last 4 games we have played have been amazing and are building a pretty decent rivalry. Some people are talking about this rivalry...rivalling the amazing rivalry of West Coast vs Sydney. Which surprisingly were all mainly low scoring tight matches...

We were the 3rd highest scoring team last year, and Roo, Kosi and Milney kicked close to 200 goals. This year losing Roo lost us a lot of our attack, but at our best I think we're still a fairly attacking team. And we were on track for 15 goals+ until the rain came last night...

At any rate, I think this topic is a slight overreaction See you guys in 4 weeks.

Personally, I found that (syd V WC) rivallry quite boring. Sorry, but 10 to 12 goal games is interesting for about the last 5 minutes, thats about it. The rest is actually quite boring.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Nothing to worry about. Geelong always respond to a challange. Thats what makes this team so great. They will smash freo, beat collingwood then beat the saints. Friday nights loss will hurt them a shit load. Will bring back memory's of 05 and 08. Geelong will go in underdogs for the rest of the finals series. Thats where they are at their most dangerous....

 

[On the bench]

Yeah for Godsake please win it,could not stand to see Collingwood or St.Kilda get up!
I actually think this is what Geelong needs,to win it the hard way,no doubt the playing group will see this as the ultimate challenge,they are more than capable of doing it!

 

[The Governor]

I agree to the fact that we do need to win the flag to save AFL football from defensive and offensive zone presses. Ever since Paul Roos and Ross Lyon introduced the offensive and defensive zones in the form of a basketball-soccer style of press, the spectacle of the game has been ruined to a defensive ugly game where the game is tight at the expense of goals being kicked and exciting attacking plays.

The game has evolved from the stage where Mick Malthouse successfully used man on man footy during his time at the Eagles to win the flag in the 90s to a stupid defensive style of presses being employed by Ross Lyon and Paul Roos to ruin th game of football.

Hence, the defensive style of presses create a huge amount of interchange bench rotations and the laws committee wasnt to put a cap on the bench rotations.

I would love to see the Cats stick it right up to the Pies in the Preliminary final and the Saints or Swans in the Grand Final.

However, our playing list does not have the decision making street smarts, match conditioning and fitness to match it against the Pies and Saints/Swans. Harry Taylor is too worried about guarding a zone to prevent the overrated Saint Nick from kicking goals whilst Josh Hunt is getting too arrogant for his own good.

And, Mark Blake is the most overrated ruckman in the AFL. Gee, any VFL ruckman and local league ruckman who has a high level of aerobic endurance fitness can easily beat him in the ruck.

We won the flag with Blake in the ruck last year. But, I cannot see us winning the flag with Blake in the first ruck. Jolly, Mumford and Gardiner have the game and skills to beat him away from the centre bounce tapwork.

The decision to drop Shane Mumford before the 2009 finals has bitten Bomber THompson and Neil Balme up the backside!!!

THE GOVERNOR

 

[geelong_boy]

The decision to drop Shane Mumford before the 2009 finals has bitten Bomber THompson and Neil Balme up the backside!!!

It was the right decision at the time. Late in the year when Blake was left out our clearance numbers went south and this coincided with Mumford being in the team. Mummy tired as the year went on and against our main threat the Saints Blake was essential. We won the flag so the right decision was made. Yeah it would've been great to keep Mumford but that could've been done at the end of the year by trading Blake and promising Mumford a starting position.

 

[Mooney_d'King]

Re: We need to win the GF for the sake of football...

Yeah, it's going to be hard though, the Saints know how to strangle us. We took the game to a whole new level in 2007, no team knew how to stop it but now they do, the Saints and the Pies just Zone up and pressure the Cats into making mistakes. I believe our style of play is still good enough to beat sides like Collingwood and St. Kilda, but we must put 4 good quarters together.

This is the key IMO. I don't think we've done it all year. The game-plans don't matter a whole lot if we can't get our shit together for the whole game.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Re: We need to win the GF for the sake of football...

StK have developed a game plan designed to defeat Geelong (that's why they recruited Leigh Tudor). What's more - it works. We play crap against them. You can't knock their attack when you consider their marks inside 50 on Friday. Opposition teams have recognised that Geelong is vulnerable to pressure, it might be unattractive football, but hey, if it works...
To win the flag, we have to rise above that.

If the spectacle of the game was the criteria, the soft 'hands in the back' rule that has nearly killed the 'specky' would be reversed. Same for the 'bump', and 'holding the ball'.

Kevin Sheedy whinged and whined about the interchange bench for years until he got his way. The rules are changed primarily due to coaches. Either direct influence, or the AFL trying to react against them; usually unsuccessfully.

Coaches ruin sport. Any sport. Coaches in basketball pushed for taller and taller players over the decades until all you see now is a lot of unathletic stringbeans limping up and down the court. The smaller ball handlers slowly bringing the ball down the court to make plays for for a lot of lumbering slowpokes. No wonder they can't get live tv coverage. Boring as.

And AFL coaches with their contol freak, robotic game plan, interchange swapping ways are no different.

If you let coaches influence the way the game is played, the sport will die as a spectacle. A spectacle requires individual brilliance, an uncertainty factor, and a little less control. Coaches hate that. The public love it.


The coaches are taking over. There is almost more people in the coaches box as on the bloody field.