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[WCE777]

6 a grade mids??! I guess the definition of A Grade is always subjective

Who were the Brisbane A Grade mids?

Neale, Zorko, Dunkley, McCluggage, Ashcroft are all top 50 mids and support crew of Berry making 6.
I did say 3-4 elite top 50 mids, and best midfields have 6+ A grade mids.

 

[Astro7]

Although supposedly not perfect, I'm sure Reid, Hewett, Yeo, Kelly, Baker, Graham, Allan, Hutch and Hall would assist us through the transition, until we import 1-2 more elite mids?
Is there anyone on the team now, that may grow into a surprise mid package?

 

[Rowan18]

thanks.
Question 1, so with Reid and Hewett probably leaves 2 elite mids short of a serious team?
Qustion 2, so you see WC drafting still being aggressive though draft for the next say 3 years?
History does suggest that almost half of drafted talent fails so can understand that, so your assessment of similar drafting profile will fill that success/fail rate.

Can see the team being around where they are for the next couple of years with a few more wins.
The obvious start to trade and FA players in 2025 who are more mature and higher level talent is C Warner.
Who do you see as obvious targets outside of him over the next 2-3 years?

What do you count as an elite mid? I'd say that's a top 20 midfielder in the comp. You're lucky to have more than one of them. If we get Warner, Reid stays and becomes a top 10 mid and we get lucky with Hewett, we could have 3 top 20 midfielders and the best midfield in the comp. However, just having 1 with a good support cast would be enough.

 

[WCE777]

Although supposedly not perfect, I'm sure Reid, Hewett, Yeo, Kelly, Baker, Graham, Allan, Hutch and Hall would assist us through the transition, until we import 1-2 more elite mids?
Is there anyone aboard the team now, that may grow into a surprise mid package?

I would rate Yeo, Kelly as A grade mids, Reid and Hewett are A grade at this stage but probably elite in 2 years.
The others are support crew, Baker, Graham, Hall, Allan, Hutch.
Future mids are probably Ginbey back in the middle in a few years when Yeo/Kelly and co are gone, Johnstone, Davis, Gross look like decent support crew at worst imo.

 

[bzparkes]

No team has 6x A+ mids. The closest anyone's ever gotten was WCE when we had Judd, Kerr and Cousins.

 

[WCE777]

What do you count as an elite mid? I'd say that's a top 20 midfielder in the comp. You're lucky to have more than one of them. If we get Warner, Reid stays and becomes a top 10 mid and we get lucky with Hewett, we could have 3 top 20 midfielders and the best midfield in the comp. However, just having 1 with a good support cast would be enough.

I was rating top 50 as elite but if you use top 20 you are right, lucky to have 1.
Subjective really so I am rating mids by disposals which is not a perfect science because Bontempelli is ranked 21 but his influence as a mid would be top 5, Cripps 10 should be rated higher for influence?
Yeo and Kelly are top 50 but only A grade mids imo for influence.

 

[WCE777]

No team has 6x A+ mids. The closest anyone's ever gotten was WCE when we had Judd, Kerr and Cousins.

I mentioned earlier that Brisbane have 6 A grade mids, but 4 elite.

 

[bzparkes]

I mentioned earlier that Brisbane have 6 A grade mids, but 4 elite.

Role players will look far better when their teammates are also good.

See Tim Kelly at Geelong vs WCE, for instance.

For Brisbane, I'd say only Neale and McCluggage are truly elite. Ashcroft #1 looks the goods but gets a lot of his touches from 1-2s around the back, a la Naicos. Gun player though and I expect him to be in the top 10 players in the comp within a few years.

A+ would be Brownlow medalists, multiple B&F winners, multiple AA mids, etc.

Realistically, Brisbane are lucky to have 2x A+ mids. The rest are either A-, or B+ IMO. That's still and incredibly strong midfield.

 

[Shueygod]

Neale, Zorko, Dunkley, McCluggage, Ashcroft are all top 50 mids and support crew of Berry making 6.
I did say 3-4 elite top 50 mids, and best midfields have 6+ A grade mids.

Zorko isn’t even a mid, Berry being considered A grade is extremely generous.

Most contending teams have 2-3 elite midfielders and good/great role players (think Rowbottom/Berry) around them.

 

[stallon]

disagree, they have 3-4 top elite top 50 mids and lots of support crew.
Best midfields have 6+ A grade mids rotating thru.

Pick a few examples, and go through them.
Brisbane this year Neale definitely is, and id call Dunkley an elite role player. Ashcroft played out of his skin, is he elite yet? maybe. Mcluggage isnt elite.
Collingwood last year it was just Daicos and JDG if you consider JDG elite
Geelong in 2022 just Danger.
Melbourne in 2021 was just Trac and Oliver

 

[stallon]

I was rating top 50 as elite but if you use top 20 you are right, lucky to have 1.
Subjective really so I am rating mids by disposals which is not a perfect science because Bontempelli is ranked 21 but his influence as a mid would be top 5, Cripps 10 should be rated higher for influence?
Yeo and Kelly are top 50 but only A grade mids imo for influence.

Gee doing it by disposals has to be one of the worst metrics.
I look at the players and consider if they are AA candidates, if not then theyre not A-graders. Hence good teams generaly have around 6 total

 

[WCE777]

Gee doing it by disposals has to be one of the worst metrics.
I look at the players and consider if they are AA candidates, if not then theyre not A-graders. Hence good teams generaly have around 6 total

fair enough, that is your analysis.
That's why I said its not exact science, its a guide and we have different ideas?
I also used the fact that players like Bontempelli are statistically 21st but would be top 5 in comp for influence.
If you use your analysis that players are elite they have to be AA candidates, that's 1.2 players on average from each team!
Welcome to your analysis but I think we would all have different views, this is why this thread started by me asking someone their views on WC list.
Welcome to yours but I disagree.

 

[stallon]

fair enough, that is your analysis.
That's why I said its not exact science, its a guide and we have different ideas?
I also used the fact that players like Bontempelli are statistically 21st but would be top 5 in comp for influence.
If you use your analysis that players are elite they have to be AA candidates, that's 1.2 players on average from each team!
Welcome to your analysis but I think we would all have different views, this is why this thread started by me asking someone their views on WC list.
Welcome to yours but I disagree.

I didnt say they have to make the AA team, but they have to be in the mix. Thats 40+ players

 

[Mr Q]

No team has 6x A+ mids. The closest anyone's ever gotten was WCE when we had Judd, Kerr and Cousins.

And I'd add in those three, Judd and Cousins were well above Kerr (don't get me wrong, Daniel Kerr was a very, very good midfielder, but if you wanted to reduce the output of the Eagles midfield in those days, you tagged Kerr, because he was taggable - Judd and Cousins generally were not). Plus there were so many of the next level of midfielders in that team. So many, which probably helped Judd/Kerr/Cousins out a lot.

I'd have said our 2018 team only had two elite level midfielders (Yeo and Shuey - though Gaff wasn't far off during the season, and Redden was huge during finals) and not as many second level mids either - where 2006 was build on utter midfield dominance, 2018 was more evenly spread, with a distinctly better forward line and an arguably better defensive group.

If you put the '06 midfield with the '18 forwards and backs, it would probably go undefeated.

 

[FKASC]

Not this shit again gif

 

[amazingjoshy]

If Brisbane get to count Zorko as a mid we get to count Gov

 

[MaxHunt]

Isn't the hope that we add Warner, without using pick 2/3 which is used on Rodriguez, giving us the two we need?

Yep. Hawks 2025 1st and Eagles 2026 1st

 

[Bender_]

Elite kicks vs elite mids.

 

[WCE777]

Yep. Hawks 2025 1st and Eagles 2026 1st

best available mid with WC 1st round pick, Warner Hawks 1st and WC F1st.
Rodriguez looks very good at the moment and if he continues he will be in the mix.
When WC have accumulated the amount of kids we have over the last 3 years, they have built a very solid core group with maybe a few elite, this group should build the core for the next 10 years.
2025 1st pick 3-4 should be on the best available mid to round out a midfield that should be top class with Reid, Hewett, C Warner, 2025 1st round pick.

 

[kane249]

No team has 6x A+ mids. The closest anyone's ever gotten was WCE when we had Judd, Kerr and Cousins.

Voss
Black
Akermanis
Lappin

Was better IMO
Lappin was criminally under rated

 

[RookiePick]

Voss
Black
Akermanis
Lappin

Was better IMO
Lappin was criminally under rated

Yah but Brissie was doing that weird IV hydration stuff that got banned weren't they? WCE group never had that kind of cloudy issue around them that i can recall.

I feel sorry for kids that never got to see peak Aker. Brissie midfield was kinda dour excepting him.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Voss
Black
Akermanis
Lappin

Was better IMO
Lappin was criminally under rated

Except our guys slayed them every time we played them

 

[amazingjoshy]

WCE group never had that kind of cloudy issue around them that i can recall.

I'm genuinely not sure whether you're having a laugh or not...

 

[Bender_]

Yah but Brissie was doing that weird IV hydration stuff that got banned weren't they? WCE group never had that kind of cloudy issue around them that i can recall.

I feel sorry for kids that never got to see peak Aker. Brissie midfield was kinda dour excepting him.

Acker was my favourite non-Eagle to watch. Was electrifying.

Massive dickhead however.

 

[RookiePick]

Acker was my favourite non-Eagle to watch. Was electrifying.

Massive dickhead however.

One of the last characters in the Capper vein I reckon. Some real FIGJAM energy but backed it up on the field more often than not!