Welcome Welcome to Hawthorn : Calsher Dear! Rising star nom!

[KermitJagger]

Honestly, he’s going to be a star. In year 1, I imagine we just want him to show something which he has in spades. Next year, it’ll be about turning those 7 possession, 2 shots on goal p/g into 12 possession, 3 shot games - all which improving his tackling intensity up front.

He's already averaging 2.7 shots btw

 

[hawkmang]

Who was the last 18 yo KPF to be this good?

Jesse Hogan at Melbourne was awesome in debut season

 

[theiaofseed]

Jesse Hogan at Melbourne was awesome in debut season

Was his third year in the system though.

 

[hawkmang]

Was his third year in the system though.

True, I looked it up after I posted and was hoping no one would fact check me on it

 

[toomanysquibs]

Ben King had a pretty good 1st year from memory, Schache's first year may have even been his best. Darling had the best rookie season I've seen from a key forward in recent years, at least for one who didn't miss a year or debut as a mature age.

Even Jack Riewoldt who hit his peak really early didn't have as good a first year as Calsher seems to be.

The one thing that he's working through that those guys weren't, was just how raw he was going into his first season.

He's taken some big marks against super quality players pretty much every week. He's been the target down the line and up forward in a team that often couldn't buy contested marks when attacking. Those other high level talls who have impacted early at least had some support. Calsher has arguably elevated the senior players around him.

Commentators were talking about an 'accidental screen' when he marked on the competition's best defender in Taylor close to goal this week.

But I call bullshit on it being an accident.

Calsher's shown a real knack to stay away from the drop zone and get separation from his stronger/more mature bodied opponents enough to get a launch at the ball, for weeks now. He was never really outbodied against AFL backs in the VFL either.

Even if he doesn't have King's first season, or Darling's (who had support in a strong side), I could not believe what I saw when I started watching Box Hill early to see what he was going to be like. He looked every inch a raw top 5 pick level key forward.

If Calsher fixed nothing else but his kicking at goal, based on current output we'd still wind up a 3/4 goal a game key forward, which would obviously be elite. Right now he's otherwise learning the game at an elite level in every direction.

 

[Flamin Joe]

Done a lot of work with Gunners, he may be the heir apparent to the #19?

I'm warming to idea, it would be a way to forge his own way with his own number. But I can't help but want to see him in 13.

Whatever number the club/he/Moore(if it comes to that) choose going forward I'd be happy with.

 

[KermitJagger]

The one thing that he's working through that those guys weren't, was just how raw he was going into his first season.

He's taken some big marks against super quality players pretty much every week. He's been the target down the line and up forward in a team that often couldn't buy contested marks when attacking. Those other high level talls who have impacted early at least had some support. Calsher has arguably elevated the senior players around him.

Commentators were talking about an 'accidental screen' when he marked on the competition's best defender in Taylor close to goal this week.

But I call bullshit on it being an accident.

Calsher's shown a real knack to stay away from the drop zone and get separation from his stronger/more mature bodied opponents enough to get a launch at the ball, for weeks now. He was never really outbodied against AFL backs in the VFL either.

Even if he doesn't have King's first season, or Darling's (who had support in a strong side), I could not believe what I saw when I started watching Box Hill early to see what he was going to be like. He looked every inch a raw top 5 pick level key forward.

If Calsher fixed nothing else but his kicking at goal, based on current output we'd still wind up a 3/4 goal a game key forward, which would obviously be elite. Right now he's otherwise learning the game at an elite level in every direction pretty much.

I agree, don't get me wrong, I think it's telling that the only players I could find were both much more physically developed and/or early picks. In Darling's case an early pick who slid a mile because of some mischief.

I don't remember the last time a player who looked this physically unready was able to impact a game so physically in such a hard role. He's a very impressive young man.

 

[daniel23]

Jye amiss had a pretty big first year kicking 40. Before he kicked a few against melbourne last week I compared stats and dear had identical averages.

 

[toomanysquibs]

Jye amiss had a pretty big first year kicking 40. Before he kicked a few against melbourne last week I compared stats and dear had identical averages.

He played 3 games for 4 goals in his first AFL season.

This' the incredible thing about Dear - he played stuff all footy prior to being drafted. And in his debut year proper, he's holding his place in the team and making our side better.

 

[daniel23]

He played 3 games for 4 goals in his first AFL season.

This' the incredible thing about Dear - he played stuff all footy prior to being drafted. And in his debut year proper, he's holding his place in the team and making our side better.

Yep ny bad , I meant his second season. I think amiss was injured for most of his first.

 

[earthworms]

I know my GOAT, pick 3 vs 56

 

[theiaofseed]

I know my GOAT, pick 3 vs 56

 

[cryptor]

Done a lot of work with Gunners, he may be the heir apparent to the #19?

Probably nothing surer than that.

 

[earthworms]

calsher dear holding his own against cadman and walter in terms of impact lol. we have to have some of the best lowish pick steals of recent. weddle #18, cmac #26 , lewis #76, dear #56 etc

 

[HawthornHawk]

I really like the Jed Walter comparison because as a junior he was lauded for his tackling pressure and contested marking. Calsh has him covered comfortably in both areas so far.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I really like the Jed Walter comparison because as a junior he was lauded for his tackling pressure and contested marking. Calsh has him covered comfortably in both areas so far.

Walter is much more physically developed at this point too.

 

[rei154]

Looking good for a rising star this round unless someone really surprises in the second half of Melb/Coll

 

[theiaofseed]

Looking good for a rising star this round unless someone really surprises in the second half of Melb/Coll

Luke Nankervis gets it this week.

 

[HedgeFund]

Who was the last 18 yo KPF to be this good?

Matthew Lloyd

 

[The Chad and I]

Walter is much more physically developed at this point too.

If Dear was as physically developed as Walter he would be kicking 3-4 goals a game right now.

 

[lordbob]

Calsh doesnt get enough on the stat sheets to get a rising star nom. His impact is huge however. I know which id prefer.

 

[earthworms]

the fact that we got nick watson and calsher dear in the same draft is crazy

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

the fact that we got nick watson and calsher dear in the same draft is crazy

Don’t forget McCabe as well.

 

[grumbleguts]

Wait... does this... does... does this mean we finally get a father son that is actually going to be a gun? We still have Will McCabe to come.

 

[MrPremiership]

Getting his hands to a lot of it, but just not sticking themm. Gives me horror flashbacks of O'Brien. Calsh does more and I'm confident once he gets that strength he will be more commanding in marking contests.