Player Watch Welcome to Hawthorn, Denver Grainger-Barras

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[flinchfree]

Was solid yesterday, and saved the game a couple of weeks back. Spoilt everything yesterday. Don’t get some people’s fascination with stats. Serong had a a lot of kick’s yesterday,but half nearly come from taking kick ins. He runs from the 50 meter line to take it.

Not sure why you're taking a crap on one of our other players to prop up Denver.

 

[OnTheRocks]

If he ain't a gorilla, he ain't a full back, he's done for.
Waste of time, effort and a wasted top 10 pick thus far.
Tick flipping tock, Denver

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

If he ain't a gorilla, he ain't a full back, he's done for.
Waste of time, effort and a wasted top 10 pick thus far.
Tick flipping tock, Denver

I'd like to remind you that he is a Hawthorn listed player and is busting his gut trying to get better. Shit comment.

 

[OnTheRocks]

I'd like to remind you that he is a Hawthorn listed player and is busting his gut trying to get better. Shit comment.

I was replying to a comment that he might make ot as a full back. He won't. He hasn't made ot this far and time is running out, lucky to get a gig next year. But you keep being a simp for him if it helps you cope

 

[PenAndPaper]

I was replying to a comment that he might make ot as a full back. He won't. He hasn't made ot this far and time is running out, lucky to get a gig next year. But you keep being a simp for him if it helps you cope

He's 22 ffs. Still plenty of time lol

 

[OnTheRocks]

He's 22 ffs. Still plenty of time lol

Meanwhile.....Calsh is 18
Ffs!!

 

[westhawk]

The stats back up what can be clearly seen, Denver is very rarely part of any chain of play, he is either unable or unwilling to get into any sort of position to do anything other than spoil or mark. He could possibly make it as a full back if he were absolutely elite at spoiling and marking, but if you play anywhere else you need to be part of the chain moving the ball towards our goals.

Or maybe he is concentrating on that part of his game under the direction of his coaches. He is a great kick, so that is not the issue. Fitness might be an issue as you suggest. Definitely something he has to work on.

 

[westhawk]

Not sure why you're taking a crap on one of our other players to prop up Denver.

Not taking a crap on anyone. Just stating that stats are very overrated. Anyone can take the kick outs and chip it around the back half and all of a sudden have 15 touches.

 

[Walshawk]

Not taking a crap on anyone. Just stating that stats are very overrated. Anyone can take the kick outs and chip it around the back half and all of a sudden have 15 touches.

Makes you wonder why they dint let Denver take kick outs?

 

[KermitJagger]

The stats back up what can be clearly seen, Denver is very rarely part of any chain of play, he is either unable or unwilling to get into any sort of position to do anything other than spoil or mark. He could possibly make it as a full back if he were absolutely elite at spoiling and marking, but if you play anywhere else you need to be part of the chain moving the ball towards our goals.

He's being told by the coaching unit to not do those things. It's been in the post game write ups frequently, he's being asked to stay on task and be accountable first.

 

[Slainte]

He's being told by the coaching unit to not do those things. It's been in the post game write ups frequently, he's being asked to stay on task and be accountable first.

Itt will be interesting to see whether ZL is any happier with DGB's game when he next has something to say.

 

[flinchfree]

Not taking a crap on anyone. Just stating that stats are very overrated. Anyone can take the kick outs and chip it around the back half and all of a sudden have 15 touches.

Well, can't agree.
When Amon gets a 'cheap' stat kickout it's worth absolute gold.
When Sicily gets a 'cheap' stat kickout it's worth absolute gold.
If Serong is running 50m to get back to take a kickout, it's because the coaches reckon he is super important to the side for his kicking skills.
And they're right, because he's got very nice kicking skills.

Also indicates he's got the tank to get back and still be available as a backman after the kick.
Also indicates he's a team player instead of looking for a cheap release kick from the fullback and willing to take the pressure that comes from taking the kickout.

You've absolutely butchered that call.
Anyone CAN'T take kickouts and chip it around the back half, it's a freakin skill mate.

 

[Cannyman]

I am hoping that Denver can come back next season wearing a shit beard and some added weight and fitness like Thilthorpe has and dominate. His resurgence has given me hope.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

I was replying to a comment that he might make ot as a full back. He won't. He hasn't made ot this far and time is running out, lucky to get a gig next year. But you keep being a simp for him if it helps you cope

lmao simping for a player? or supporting a player drafted by the club you love

it's fair to criticise his play and to be of the opinion he wont make it. but Simping? come on bro this isn't tiktok

 

[SSSSSS]

I was replying to a comment that he might make ot as a full back. He won't. He hasn't made ot this far and time is running out, lucky to get a gig next year. But you keep being a simp for him if it helps you cope

How many 21-22 year old players, let alone KPP are the finished product at that age?

 

[eldorado]

But you keep being a simp for him if it helps you cope

Is this sort of stuff necessary?

 

[Walshawk]

He's being told by the coaching unit to not do those things. It's been in the post game write ups frequently, he's being asked to stay on task and be accountable first.

Sure, and when a fourth year player is still at this stage of development, it is obvious that coaches don’t think that he is able to do anything other than mark and spoil.

 

[KermitJagger]

Sure, and when a fourth year player is still at this stage of development, it is obvious that coaches don’t think that he is able to do anything other than mark and spoil.

Not at all. It's that they want him to find consistency doing the marking and spoiling before he tries to play off his man and do too much, which has been a problem so far.

 

[westhawk]

Well, can't agree.
When Amon gets a 'cheap' stat kickout it's worth absolute gold.
When Sicily gets a 'cheap' stat kickout it's worth absolute gold.
If Serong is running 50m to get back to take a kickout, it's because the coaches reckon he is super important to the side for his kicking skills.
And they're right, because he's got very nice kicking skills.

Also indicates he's got the tank to get back and still be available as a backman after the kick.
Also indicates he's a team player instead of looking for a cheap release kick from the fullback and willing to take the pressure that comes from taking the kickout.

You've absolutely butchered that call.
Anyone CAN'T take kickouts and chip it around the back half, it's a freakin skill mate.

Each to their own, but you will find that lots of players get cheap kicks in the back half. It is not a skill with everyone.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I was replying to a comment that he might make ot as a full back. He won't. He hasn't made ot this far and time is running out, lucky to get a gig next year. But you keep being a simp for him if it helps you cope

Remember when multiple posters wanted Frost gone at the end of last year and said he’d only play at Box Hill this year. Perhaps players can turn it round when you least expect? Maybe while he’s wearing our colours you can back him in?

 

[Mississippi]

If he ain't a gorilla, he ain't a full back, he's done for.
Waste of time, effort and a wasted top 10 pick thus far.
Tick flipping tock, Denver

 

[HedgeFund]

Denver missed 3 months with a significant foot / toe ligament injury.

Guess what you can’t do much with a bung foot?

Run.

Anyone with half a brain would have known a guy not noted for elite base fitness was going to have to return from such a big layoff in a fair static role at VFL level.

Hence he is playing stay at home defender, a la Frost in the seniors. Lower offensive stats, keep someone quiet, beat your man and do your job.

Makes complete sense.

Worked a charm for Scrimshaw when he got sent back to the twos last year - and now he is having his best year as a proper KPD.

 

[threesixpio]

Meanwhile.....Calsh is 18
Ffs!!

very silly to raise Calsher. Calsher is definitely the exception rather than the rule re the development of tall players. You can’t be that thick surely

 

[A Diakos]

too much emotion in here

he s a significant investment and I and all hawks people hope he comes good

with the pending Battle acquisition I fear 1 or 2 of Grainger and Phillips will be delisted

same with the smalls butler osullivan Bennetts .....I think at least 1 and perhaps 2 are gone unfortunately

given the investment I hope Grainger comes good

 

[triple treat]

You just know that if Denver moves to another club and starts fulfilling his protentional that the guys whining on here about him will be whining that we didn't give him another year!