What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4

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Foxman98 said:
You really have no understanding of workplace health and safety and liability do you.

The AFL is the employer the same as any other company. He was injured performing his duties at his workplace and is still suffering from said injuries and is unable to work because of them.

I suggest you go and talk to the safety leader at your place of work and ask them the responsibilities of your employer for any injuries you sustain at work
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🤦‍♂️ it really isn’t that simple…

If you think sustaining any injury within your workplace automatically = compensation from your employer, no questions asked.

you’re in for a rude shock lmao
 
Foxman98 said:
And someone running over your foot with a forklift is something that happens frequently in warehouses doesn't mean the companies aren't liable for the injury.

Again for those struggling to understand this is an injury he got from performing his expected tasks at his workplace just because it is a sport doesn't mean they aren't held to the same safety standards and liabilities as any other workplace
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Unfortunately Liam has to prove in the court of law that Gary Zimmerman and Jacob Landsberger were negligent and breached their duty of care. Their are always two sides of the story Liam and the club will have their day in court
 
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Foxman98 said:
And someone running over your foot with a forklift is something that happens frequently in warehouses doesn't mean the companies aren't liable for the injury.

Again for those struggling to understand this is an injury he got from performing his expected tasks at his workplace just because it is a sport doesn't mean they aren't held to the same safety standards and liabilities as any other workplace
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Go test this out for us seeing as you’re so confident, go stick your foot out for a forklift to run over and let us know if you get compensated 😂

You obviously don’t know anyone on or seeking work cover compensation if you truly believe this is how it works
 

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Foxman98 said:
The evidence is clear here, His brain scans were showing irregularities which by the rules today would have him away from training the club docters at the time didn't recommend this
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You're making a lot of assumptions and presenting them as facts.
 
doggies ftw said:
Go test this out for us seeing as you’re so confident, go stick your foot out for a forklift to run over and let us know if you get compensated 😂

You obviously don’t know anyone on or seeking work cover compensation if you truly believe this is how it works
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Read into workers compensation my friend I deal with this weekly in my job

 
Dogman 1 said:
I think the players have to take some of the blame. They go into this sport knowing that they could receive head knocks and concussions happen. It is their choice to participate. Before long players will have to sign waivers to exclude themselves from suing.
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Not only that but players have been known to go against the doctors’ advice and insist on going back out on the field. How much power do the doctors have to order the players to not play?
 
doggies ftw said:
Go test this out for us seeing as you’re so confident, go stick your foot out for a forklift to run over and let us know if you get compensated

You obviously don’t know anyone on or seeking work cover compensation if you truly believe this is how it works
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Had experience as an employer working through a workers compensation claim have you?

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immortalmike said:
Have some sympathy for the opinion that contact sports are entered into willingly and some level of damage is to be expected.
However, Liam and his legal team seem to be alleging negligence. That is unacceptable.
Terrible situation all round. Not sure how to feel to be honest. Oscillating from hoping it's not true and wanting Liam to receive compensation.
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As in any court case what has been alleged has to be proven. However if there is a long term legacy issue it has to be tested in court

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doggies ftw said:
it really isn’t that simple…

If you think sustaining any injury within your workplace automatically = compensation from your employer, no questions asked.

you’re in for a rude shock lmao
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Actually under workplace law all injuries at a workplace are reviewed not only for workers compensation but for negligence. That even includes proprietors in some instances

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doggies ftw said:
Go test this out for us seeing as you’re so confident, go stick your foot out for a forklift to run over and let us know if you get compensated 😂

You obviously don’t know anyone on or seeking work cover compensation if you truly believe this is how it works
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"Work cover compensation" typically refers to the statutory workers cover insurance that employers are required to have and is paid out when an employee is injured. That is quite distinct from civil litigation. Statutory work cover comp was brought in to reduce the amount of workplace injury related actions that were landing in the courts. Civil litigation exists as an alternative for a scenario not covered by workers comp or where workers comp is inadequate. Don't conflate the two.
 

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Foxman98 said:
The other point being missed is it is their workplace, We are all entitled to compensation to any injuries that we receive at our workplace AFL players are no different
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This is such a silly argument.

You cannot compare professional sport to warehousing. Injuries are inherent to professional sport. You are pushing your body to its physical limits. Workplace laws around warehousing are specifically designed so that workers do not get close to their physical limit. It’s comparing apples with oranges.
 
Mantis Toboggan said:
This is such a silly argument.

You cannot compare professional sport to warehousing. Injuries are inherent to professional sport. You are pushing your body to its physical limits. Workplace laws around warehousing are specifically designed so that workers do not get close to their physical limit. It’s comparing apples with oranges.
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It’s a fact whether you think they’re comparable or not they’re both workplaces where both employers are liable for any workplace injuries
 
Foxman98 said:
It’s a fact whether you think they’re comparable or not they’re both workplaces where both employers are liable for any workplace injuries
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What do you mean, ‘It’s a fact’?

So a player does a hammy chasing a ball in training and he can sue the club?

Different jobs have different risks and different levels of risk. Have you ever done a risk assessment? The risks you accept as a welder, for instance, are greater than those you accept sitting at a desk. You can’t possibly have a career in professional sport and not expect an injury here or there.
 
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WESTERN BULLDOGS PROS AND CONS​

PROS
Offence
• No.5 points scored
• No.1 points from stoppages
• No.3 contested possession diff
• No.1 clearance diff
• No.1 time in forward half diff
CONS
Defence
• No.11 points against
• No.14 oppo score per inside 50
• No.12 oppo points from turnovers
• No.15 oppo defensive 50 to inside 50
• No.16 oppo points from defensive half
1-1 Contests - Defended the fewest
• No.17 loss rate
• No.18 mark loss rate
Liam Jones lowest loss rate across 2018-2021
Similar to Brisbane and Richmond where they were strong offensively but struggled defensively. However they’ve brought in Liam Jones and have the ability to swing the tall timber of Josh Bruce and Sam Darcy down back to help counter that.
Their weapon is their midfield and that should stay the same.

Does [PLAYERCARD]Alex Keath[/PLAYERCARD] still fit in the Bulldogs’ plans? (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Does Alex Keath still fit in the Bulldogs’ plans? (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

IMPROVING AND DECLINING BULLDOGS​

Biggest differential on form based on ranking points from 2022-2021
Improvers
1. Tim English
2. Anthony Scott
3. Bailey Dale
Decliners
1. Bailey Williams
2. Cody Weightman
3. Alex Keath
Tim English was huge last year and is now the genuine #1 ruck. Can he go another level if he can get his body right? (only 16 games last year)
Cody Weightman is stiff but didn’t win enough of the ball (only nine disposals) however when he did win it he was damaging.
Alex Keath fell out of favour but is never usually a high ranking points generator.
 
Mantis Toboggan said:
What do you mean, ‘It’s a fact’?

So a player does a hammy chasing a ball in training and he can sue the club?

Different jobs have different risks and different levels of risk. Have you ever done a risk assessment? The risks you accept as a welder, for instance, are greater than those you accept sitting at a desk. You can’t possibly have a career in professional sport and not expect an injury here or there.
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So your false equivalency is comparing a hamstring injury with a life altering brain injury as a result of a workplace accident? (Yes the football field is their workplace)
 
lachy said:
So your false equivalency is comparing a hamstring injury with a life altering brain injury as a result of a workplace accident? (Yes the football field is their workplace)
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No, read my posts, I’m not comparing those two at all.

Foxman98 is stating that an injury at work is an injury for which the employer is liable. I am saying that different workplaces have different levels of inherent and acceptable risk.
 
NBates said:

WESTERN BULLDOGS PROS AND CONS​

PROS
Offence
• No.5 points scored
• No.1 points from stoppages
• No.3 contested possession diff
• No.1 clearance diff
• No.1 time in forward half diff
CONS
Defence
• No.11 points against
• No.14 oppo score per inside 50
• No.12 oppo points from turnovers
• No.15 oppo defensive 50 to inside 50
• No.16 oppo points from defensive half
1-1 Contests - Defended the fewest
• No.17 loss rate
• No.18 mark loss rate
Liam Jones lowest loss rate across 2018-2021
Similar to Brisbane and Richmond where they were strong offensively but struggled defensively. However they’ve brought in Liam Jones and have the ability to swing the tall timber of Josh Bruce and Sam Darcy down back to help counter that.
Their weapon is their midfield and that should stay the same.

Does Alex Keath still fit in the Bulldogs’ plans? (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Does Alex Keath still fit in the Bulldogs’ plans? (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

IMPROVING AND DECLINING BULLDOGS​

Biggest differential on form based on ranking points from 2022-2021
Improvers
1. Tim English
2. Anthony Scott
3. Bailey Dale
Decliners
1. Bailey Williams
2. Cody Weightman
3. Alex Keath
Tim English was huge last year and is now the genuine #1 ruck. Can he go another level if he can get his body right? (only 16 games last year)
Cody Weightman is stiff but didn’t win enough of the ball (only nine disposals) however when he did win it he was damaging.
Alex Keath fell out of favour but is never usually a high ranking points generator.
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Keath was carrying an injury for most of last year. Looking at him against Norf he looked much trimmer and was moving much more freely than the second half of last year.
 
Mantis Toboggan said:
What do you mean, ‘It’s a fact’?

So a player does a hammy chasing a ball in training and he can sue the club?

Different jobs have different risks and different levels of risk. Have you ever done a risk assessment? The risks you accept as a welder, for instance, are greater than those you accept sitting at a desk. You can’t possibly have a career in professional sport and not expect an injury here or there.
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Yes I perform risk assessments weekly and just because a risk is likely doesn’t mean the company is off the hook for any liability.

Also this random hamstring you’ve pulled up would require the same outcome paid leave and they pay for your physio
 
Lot of dick measuring going on in here today

Let’s get back on track - Libba has extended for another season :muscle:
 

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