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RedWhite&Blue said:
Actually they are performance enhancing - their performance on the dance floor goes through the roof!
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I know this is a joke but in the case of drugs like Meth and Cocaine there's a slight argument that they could be performance enhancing. Well insofar as taking something known to increase your confidence and courage before playing a sport where both are amongst the most important traits in a player is performance enhancing.
 
i remember there was an article, i think by Martin Flanagan a while back talking about how Stringer and Ablett are similar in that when they play there are two games. The actual game and what they're doing. And how whenever so they choose, they come down from Mount Olympus and there is thunder and lightning
 

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dergert said:
What the majority of people don't realise is that these substances aren't performance enhancing. And also that these are humans taking these substances that actually may need help, not them plastered all over some b grade newspaper by a fat idiot with a drinking problem (is that irony?) That's just creating a stronger image to society and the player themselves that drug users don't deserve help, when it's vital that they do receive it.
Also does it mention what substances were taken? If not I'd bet my life that over half would have been marijuana.
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Almost all recreational drugs are performance enhancing for sports. Even Marijuana is performance enhancing for sports like pistol shooting where reducing stress induced shaking is a significant advantage.
Almost all have side effects which reduce the benefit but saying that a drug like Cocaine which improves strength, endurance and reaction speed is not performance enhancing is ridiculous.
To my understanding the only recreational drug with no sporting performance enhancement is LSD and given the guys being tested I doubt this is the offending substance.
 
Toastman said:
Almost all recreational drugs are performance enhancing for sports. Even Marijuana is performance enhancing for sports like pistol shooting where reducing stress induced shaking is a significant advantage.
Almost all have side effects which reduce the benefit but saying that a drug like Cocaine which improves strength, endurance and reaction speed is not performance enhancing is ridiculous.
To my understanding the only recreational drug with no sporting performance enhancement is LSD and given the guys being tested I doubt this is the offending substance.
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can you pls let me know which drug to take to help my golf swing?
 
immortalmike said:
I know this is a joke but in the case of drugs like Meth and Cocaine there's a slight argument that they could be performance enhancing. Well insofar as taking something known to increase your confidence and courage before playing a sport where both are amongst the most important traits in a player is performance enhancing.
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someone on the radio the other day suggested that Cousins was high as a kite when playing.
 
immortalmike said:
I know this is a joke but in the case of drugs like Meth and Cocaine there's a slight argument that they could be performance enhancing. Well insofar as taking something known to increase your confidence and courage before playing a sport where both are amongst the most important traits in a player is performance enhancing.
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According to WADA code, Illicit drugs are only deemed as PEDs if they're in your system on game day. Outside of that, they aren't. Whatever arguements otherwise, considering the AFL are under the WADA code currently, then it is hardly relevant.
 
JEDi 44 said:
someone on the radio the other day suggested that Cousins was high as a kite when playing.
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I think Cousins has said somewhere that this was the case at times.

How he never showed a positive test defies logic!
 
I've got no problems with what the boys put in their bodies over the off-season as long as it's in moderation and not going to impair their preseason and that they stay safe and healthy. The odd line or pill might sound terrible to the older generation or more conservative types but saying that certain drugs are worse than alcohol because they aren't legal I think is operating under the assumption that law making is infallible. Alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs and our culture promotes the consumption of it and often in excessive amounts. I know personally that I am more in control of myself on coke, mdma and the like than I am on alcohol.
 
They just said on channel 7 that teams will offer Stringer and the Bont will be offered a mill a year from rival teams.
 

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JEDi 44 said:
someone on the radio the other day suggested that Cousins was high as a kite when playing.
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Quite possible. Was a very ballsy player.
Pugz89 said:
According to WADA code, Illicit drugs are only deemed as PEDs if they're in your system on game day. Outside of that, they aren't. Whatever arguements otherwise, considering the AFL are under the WADA code currently, then it is hardly relevant.
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That's pretty much what I was saying. Taking it on gameday should be and is monitored.
 
Toastman said:
Almost all recreational drugs are performance enhancing for sports. Even Marijuana is performance enhancing for sports like pistol shooting where reducing stress induced shaking is a significant advantage.
Almost all have side effects which reduce the benefit but saying that a drug like Cocaine which improves strength, endurance and reaction speed is not performance enhancing is ridiculous.
To my understanding the only recreational drug with no sporting performance enhancement is LSD and given the guys being tested I doubt this is the offending substance.
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Pugz89 said:
According to WADA code, Illicit drugs are only deemed as PEDs if they're in your system on game day. Outside of that, they aren't. Whatever arguements otherwise, considering the AFL are under the WADA code currently, then it is hardly relevant.
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This is the point. If the "recreational drugs" were found within days or hours of a match in the AFL season there may be a good argument for closer scrutiny.
I'm not saying there's no issue at all here but it has many angles and we're in danger of conflating different aspects of it, such as:
  • is the recreational drug performance enhancing, if so, how long do the benefits last after ingestion?
  • taking that into account, does small or moderate use in the off-season convey any longer term benefit?
  • should all footballers/employees be required to adhere to all laws as a term of their employment? Criminal offences vs misdemeanours (in some jurisdictions marijuana is decriminalised, if not wholly legal ... I think)
  • soft drugs (eg marijuana) vs harder drugs
  • the risk of prolonged after effects from marijuana use (psychotic reactions, decreased motivation, etc)
  • footballers as role models for the community
  • bad PR for clubs/players
  • what are these tests trying to prove and/or enforce? and why ... what is the aim of the testing regime?
  • how was supposedly confidential information on these test results leaked, and is the AFL even competent to manage this sort of thing
... and so on.

Each point is a separate topic and is worthy of its own discussion. And we will get a clearer understanding if we consider these points individually before trying to wrap them all into a case for or against.
 
immortalmike said:
Yeah like we had to wait for Tom Boyd.
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Not at all comparable. Bontempelli is part of our leadership group. Just added another three or four years to his contract. Clearly loves the club and wants to be a part of it. Lives in his home state. Will not request a trade.

Stringer just added another two (?) to his contract. Very tight with the playing group. Has a family now and unlikely to want to move interstate. Unlikely to request a trade any time soon.

Tom Boyd was drafted to a plastic team where he had to leave his home state. He was also third in line to be the key forward. In his draft year he specifically said he wanted to go to a club where he could be the number one forward. Add to that the fact that he had friends at the Dogs (Bont etc.) He also never extended a contract at GWS and never would have. Was always going to come home.

Of course clubs are going to offer a million a year to Stringer and Bont. That's a no brainer. But it will take more than that to get it done. They also have to make the players want to go which they may not for lifestyle/cultural reasons. They would also have to appease the Bulldogs with an absolutely ridiculous offer for us to let them go (like we did for GWS.) And who is to say that we can't put those guys on a similar wage at some point down the track. Bontempellis current contract could already have him on a million a year in 2019.

I get your point I just think it's a poor comparison.
 
dergert said:
What a junk article.
Sick of all this hype around our team at the moment. I hope our players aren't buying into it. The last time I remember us having this much hype was when we first got Barry hall and 'experts' were tipping us for the flag.... We all know how that worked out.
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Soooo...not a glass half full kind a guy then ....:rolleyes:
 
Pugz89 said:
Boyd wanted to leave GWS. Do you honestly think Bont and Stringdog want to leave the Dogs? apples and oranges.
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No but I wouldn't count my chickens before they're hatched and I wouldn't be cocky about players being in contract. Griffen leaving while captain should've taught us that things change very quickly sometimes and contracts are meaningless.
 
Zgope1 said:
i remember there was an article, i think by Martin Flanagan a while back talking about how Stringer and Ablett are similar in that when they play there are two games. The actual game and what they're doing. And how whenever so they choose, they come down from Mount Olympus and there is thunder and lightning
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I'm just astounded at how much space stringer finds. The bloke is absolute teflon. Every time you turn around he seems to find 15m somewhere near the goal square. Must be sooooo frustrating to try to man him :D:D:D:D:D:D That reminds me of the great one of Geelong!
 
dergert said:
also that these are humans taking these substances that actually may need help, not them plastered all over some b grade newspaper by a fat idiot with a drinking problem (is that irony?) That's just creating a stronger image to society and the player themselves that drug users don't deserve help, when it's vital that they do receive it.
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The far more likely scenario is that like 90% of recreational drug users, the vast majority of them don't have a problem with them and simply choose a different way to relax or party than with alcohol, which in many cases is actually better for them unless they get dodgy stuff because they aren't regulated.


Toastman said:
To my understanding the only recreational drug with no sporting performance enhancement is LSD and given the guys being tested I doubt this is the offending substance.
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Not quite the case, micro-dosing with acid or shrooms is actually quite popular within extreme sports, reduces fatigue, increases balance, focus, co-ordination and pain thresholds. I highly doubt many if any would be using it in AFL but i don't question for a second that it would be most effective in improving performance.
Now i wouldn't recommend tripping balls while paying footy, these are sub perceptual doses we're talking about so you don't actually trip, that being said though there's a famous instance of a MLB player who pitched a no hitter while tripping balls after taking acid when he didn't think he was on the roster to pitch :)
 
Drunken Bum said:
The far more likely scenario is that like 90% of recreational drug users, the vast majority of them don't have a problem with them and simply choose a different way to relax or party than with alcohol, which in many cases is actually better for them unless they get dodgy stuff because they aren't regulated.




Not quite the case, micro-dosing with acid or shrooms is actually quite popular within extreme sports, reduces fatigue, increases balance, focus, co-ordination and pain thresholds. I highly doubt many if any would be using it in AFL but i don't question for a second that it would be most effective in improving performance.
Now i wouldn't recommend tripping balls while paying footy, these are sub perceptual doses we're talking about so you don't actually trip, that being said though there's a famous instance of a MLB player who pitched a no hitter while tripping balls after taking acid when he didn't think he was on the roster to pitch :)
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Read quite a bit on micro dosing, pretty interesting stuff. Jurys still out on the long term side effects though.

I wonder if they would even test for LSD? You wouldnt think so, would be interesting if someone tried micro dosing to give them an edge
 
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