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Given the Blues at one stage were keen on Cloke, what will be done with all the extra salary cap space they musct have?
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Given the Blues at one stage were keen on Cloke, what will be done with all the extra salary cap space they musct have?
You forgot to include 'play in premierships'.
The tall timber on offer for the forward line this year that I can recall off the top of my head has been Cloke (huge bucks), Tippett (mega-bucks), Lynch (we had a crack but got outbid), Dawes (got an offer to good to refuse from the Dees), Gumbleton (didn't pass a fitness test with us) and there hasn't been much else.
You were willing to give Cloke more than he settled for at Collingwood.
Money can't be used as an excuse for not landing anyone this trade period.
Does anyone seriously think that recruiting Dawes or Lynch, who are unlikely to play much better than they have to date, would increase Carltons chances of winning a premiership?
I think most people would agree with this statement. Perhaps the Blues aren't recruiting because they have finally decided to take a long term approach rather than the quick fixes of the past. This would be sending a bit of a mixed message though, in that what is the point of recruiting a guy like Malthouse if your planning for the future. I think most people thought when he was appointing that he would be out by 3-4 years. Certainly I doubt anyone and especially the Carlton board would be considering a long term project in the mould of his spell at Collingwood. It doesn't seem like there's much leadership at board level at Carlton these days.Carlton aren't gonna win a premiership with their current side.
I think most people would agree with this statement. Perhaps the Blues aren't recruiting because they have finally decided to take a long term approach rather than the quick fixes of the past. This would be sending a bit of a mixed message though, in that what is the point of recruiting a guy like Malthouse if your planning for the future. I think most people thought when he was appointing that he would be out by 3-4 years. Certainly I doubt anyone and especially the Carlton board would be considering a long term project in the mould of his spell at Collingwood. It doesn't seem like there's much leadership at board level at Carlton these days.
As a 15 year old lol.2008
Signed to Collingwood under the NSW Scholarship scheme.
Carton's best 22 is good and can go close in September, they're fast and have great skills. However, your depth is shocking and showed this season. I can't understand why you weren't more active in trade week/free agency...you clearly need a big forward. Waite is good but can't get on the park and is nearing the end of his career so who steps up?
Carlton's list manager said they were happy with their list so wouldn't make changes. I found that comment shocking to hear as we found out this year that you don't have much after you get a few injuries. I can't understand why you wouldn't fill your holes while your premiership window is open. I'd be pissed off if I were a blues fan....
I think MM will be planning to go a similar way he went at Collingwood and WCE. I am sure he feels he has a reasonable list now he wants to put his system in place. That means over the next year or two getting his assistant coaches, recruiters, development coaches andfitness staff operating from his page. It's not going to be a recruiting quick fix in his 1st year.
In much the same way as he would say Collingwood was too reliant on Buckley the player his mantra is also the club should not be too reliant on the head coach. He always said that the systems should be in place at any club that should continue on no matter who the head coach is. By his system Nathan Buckley , if competent, should be able to step in at Collingwood without major upheaval because the club should have systems in place to ensure there wasn't undue reliance on one person.
Geelongs transition of Thompson to Scott would be the perfect illustration of tthis process at work. Geelong has great development, recruiting and coaching structure that allows smooth transition. Malthouse is a very good head coach and developer of a stong culture. Carlton has lacked modern systems for a long time now as I believe thay got bogged down in the old VFL systems and have had trouble transitioning to modern AFL requirements.
MM doesn't mean instant flags, a lot needs to go right for that to happen at any club. My reckoning is that their current list may ultimately just fall short of a flag but that's just specualtion. MM's real role at Carlton may be to finish the transition of Carlton back to a stong club with good culture. They need to shed their past as Collingwood had to if they want to become something like the clubs MM left at Collingwood and WCE whan he departed.
If I wanted to be a little snide Carlton have looked like Collingwood lite for a few years now as they try to transition out of their dark era. Micks objective will be to make them Carlton again
Me, much as I love the man, I hope he fails miserably
I think this it is just Micks style. He is not going to make large sweeping rash decisions. He may next year once he fully understands players capabilities. The lack of list clean out may hold them back a little, but that is part of the cost of transitioning in any new coach. The other extreme is someone like Vossy coming in & trading like his life depended on it & screwing the list all together. Both ways can be damaging and probably want a better balance, but Micks way is less risk (in a lot of what he does) - he would prefer to wait & see.
If Ratten was their I am sure he would have made some bigger calls as his opinions would have well & truly been formed on players who just didn't perform. Mick will give those guys, that probably should go, a reprieve & back them in.
He will also be looking at bigger issues, like the culture he wants to implement & teaching them how he wants to play. The cattle he has to play with is somewhat secondary to that. Once that is fixed he will focus on his cattle & who is able to play the way he wants.
Carton's best 22 is good and can go close in September, they're fast and have great skills. However, your depth is shocking and showed this season. I can't understand why you weren't more active in trade week/free agency...you clearly need a big forward. Waite is good but can't get on the park and is nearing the end of his career so who steps up?
Carlton's list manager said they were happy with their list so wouldn't make changes. I found that comment shocking to hear as we found out this year that you don't have much after you get a few injuries. I can't understand why you wouldn't fill your holes while your premiership window is open. I'd be pissed off if I were a blues fan....
Given the Blues at one stage were keen on Cloke, what will be done with all the extra salary cap space they musct have?
Doubt Daisy will be going to Carlton next year after reading the excerpts from MM's book the other dayWell when Daisy wants to be reunited with Mick next year when he becomes a FA, we will have Clokes money sitting waiting for Daisy.
Well when Daisy wants to be reunited with Mick next year when he becomes a FA, we will have Clokes money sitting waiting for Daisy.
It's more likely that the extra "cash" was just a fallacy. Carlton are paying way too much for their under-performing number 1 draft picks. Poor recruitment and management.
They will have to 're-sign' Judd anyway if he decides to play on. Carlton supporters still think the can engage in a cheque book signing, sadly, like their days as a successful club, are rather outdated.
Carlton aren't gonna win a premiership with their current side.
The real fallacy here is your post. You, like the rest of us would have no idea how much our number 1 draft picks are being paid.
And as to under performing, I doubt you could justify an argument that Murphy has underperformed or Kreuzer for that matter, considering he's had a knee recon and spent this season having it drained regularly.
You could mount an argument against Gibbs based around the standard 'he's a number 1 draft pick so he has to be a star' cliche which could be countered with 'he's not been played in the position he's best suited to'.
The only part of your post that may have any merit depending on your point of view would be the reference to poor management, Primarily around allowing Kreuzer to continue to play this year (but then he wouldn't be an orphan by playing with an injury would he?) and Gibbs in terms of where he should be played.