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What's going on with Carlton's list
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Because we had a number of other depth players missing through injury. The likes of Bell, White, Casboult, Mitchell, Buckley, Rowe (illness) may have been elevated to replace the injured players, except they were all absent for long periods during the season. This combined with long term injuries to Warnock, Hampson, Jamison, Waite (the former 2 in relation to Kreuzer's situation), Laidler, Carrazzo, among others, led to players being played despite carrying injuries that would have been best resolved by the respective players being rested.
Yeh, sorry. I will go back to contemplating why some posters on BF aren't working for AFL clubs given their vast knowledge of everything & anything associated with list management.
We do however appreciate their sincere concern. Im just happy they are trying to problem solve here.
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Not panic stations yet, just need to find a key forwards the ruck/ forward role Is largely ineffective, unless they are playing on Alex rance
Bryce Gibbs getting a top 10 just shows how disappointing the blues season was after the bright start
Bryce Gibbs getting a top 10 just shows how disappointing the blues season was after the bright start
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I reckon the Blues will be fine though. However, I think they should have been top 4 2 seasons ago. If they can get everything together, they should be able to have a good crack for the next couple of years
Check's injury list ... sakes head ... leaves thread.
It's great to see not all Collingwood supporters have taken the little Eddie approach to understanding other football clubs. FF you could learn a lot from this bloke ... he actually thinks about football. Ciao!
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Freudian slip?
Nah ... I'm just a dick.
My Freudian slip would be sojus head and stumbles out of thread
All except for having Walker as a depth player.
He could have had Murphy as a depth player and it would still be infinitely more insightful than the OP's offering.
Mick coming to Carlton has ruffled Pie feathers from the top down.
I gotta say, as a Blues poster I'm loving how it's being played out on BigFooty.
Carlton need to pick up 3 or 4 good midfielders over the next 4 years, otherwise the list looks fine. All players except for Scotland and probably Waite have 3+ years left in them. Waite, Judd, Carrazzo, Scotland, Simpson and Duigan theoretically will retire over the next three or four years. But some will play on longer.
Lets say that this is the case. This is what Carlton's team theoretically will look like in 4 years time. This of corse does not include any players drafted between then and now.
B: Laidler Watson Jamison
HB: McInness Henderson Touhy
C: Yarran McLean Walker
HF: Armfield Casboult Garlett
F: Betts Mitchell McCarthy
OB: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
IC: Robinson Lucas Bootsma Bell Dale Rowe Hampson Collins Ellard Curnow Touhy O'Keeffe Davies
Underlined are players born in 1986.
Carlton's list is not a concerne. The thing you have picked up where the players that are a bit older and happen to be in their prime have been the ones who performed better this year is not shocking. Those players are in their prime, they should be at the top. The other aspect was how Ratten handled young players. He didn't like young players to play key roles and therfor it was hard for them to be some of the better players on the ground at times.
Carlton's young players are impressive. Casboult and Mitchell will be good tall forwards and McCarthy is a Waite type who can play both ends and is a very good athlete and mark. Plenty of good small and medium sized forward types on the list. All three ruckmen are young.
Watson is a going to be a good defender and Henderson already is. Laidler, McInness, Touhy, Bootsma and O'Keefe are good players and Davies is quite capable. So the backline looks set for 5 years or so.
The midfield is really the only issue long term. Buckley, Dale, Gibbs, Robinson, Yarran, Lucas, Ellard, Bell and Curnow are midfielders who will be around in 5 years time. Buckley, Dale and Lucas are the kids in development and they look pretty promising. Lucas did not enjoy playing under Ratten but hopefully Malthouse gets him going.
If Carlton pick up 3 - 5 good midfielders over the next 3 or 4 years they aught to have another crack at it. They should have had a crack at it this year but they did everything wrong and everything went wrong. I can see the concerne and it points to a lack of good midfielders coming through, and they are coming but they are still a bit raw. Hopefully we see more of them in 2013.
Lets say that this is the case. This is what Carlton's team theoretically will look like in 4 years time. This of corse does not include any players drafted between then and now.
B: Laidler Watson Jamison
HB: McInness Henderson Touhy
C: Yarran McLean Walker
HF: Armfield Casboult Garlett
F: Betts Mitchell McCarthy
OB: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
IC: Robinson Lucas Bootsma Bell Dale Rowe Hampson Collins Ellard Curnow Touhy O'Keeffe Davies
Underlined are players born in 1986.
Carlton's list is not a concerne. The thing you have picked up where the players that are a bit older and happen to be in their prime have been the ones who performed better this year is not shocking. Those players are in their prime, they should be at the top. The other aspect was how Ratten handled young players. He didn't like young players to play key roles and therfor it was hard for them to be some of the better players on the ground at times.
Carlton's young players are impressive. Casboult and Mitchell will be good tall forwards and McCarthy is a Waite type who can play both ends and is a very good athlete and mark. Plenty of good small and medium sized forward types on the list. All three ruckmen are young.
Watson is a going to be a good defender and Henderson already is. Laidler, McInness, Touhy, Bootsma and O'Keefe are good players and Davies is quite capable. So the backline looks set for 5 years or so.
The midfield is really the only issue long term. Buckley, Dale, Gibbs, Robinson, Yarran, Lucas, Ellard, Bell and Curnow are midfielders who will be around in 5 years time. Buckley, Dale and Lucas are the kids in development and they look pretty promising. Lucas did not enjoy playing under Ratten but hopefully Malthouse gets him going.
If Carlton pick up 3 - 5 good midfielders over the next 3 or 4 years they aught to have another crack at it. They should have had a crack at it this year but they did everything wrong and everything went wrong. I can see the concerne and it points to a lack of good midfielders coming through, and they are coming but they are still a bit raw. Hopefully we see more of them in 2013.
Im not worried at all,young blokes got game time in fact i would think given a list tweak maybe a trade pickup and Carlton will be competitive.Carltons midfield looks about perfect age now, add young Bell he is tough! so i would argue age is not an issue.
When Carlton were being canned mid year for "lacking depth" by the media and so called 'experts' it really dawned on me how little research or knowledge the fans are presented with by the media. It was barely acknowledged that it was exactly those depth players & recently drafted kpp (ie. Davies, White, Casboult, McCarthy, Mitchell, Rowe etc.) that were sidelined with long term injuries pretty much from the beginning of the year. When Laidler, Henderson, Waite, Jamieson etc. went down Ratten had no kpp structure hence playing 3 ruckmen at times, before two of them also went down. Only in the last 6 or so weeks did several of those depth players get back on the park. Add to that the loss of Carrazzo & Murphy for extended periods and Carlton we're always up against it. Yes WCE had a lot of injuries, as did Collingwood, but they are/were both ahead of where Carlton is and their injury lists certainly weren't as long, albeit they had some quality players injured long term.
Agree the attitude and effort at times was poor, and players such as Garlett, Yarran, Gibbs may have had years below par. Lucas' lack of development is the only real concern I have so personally don't think the Carlton list is anywhere near as problematic as the OP and others suggest.
Anyone who thought Carlton was a genuine premiership chance this year is, or rather was, delusional and same goes for next year IMO - I'm expecting bottom half of the 8 but maybe even miss out on finals again. Whilst it's evident that the administration & supporters (and I) are desperate for a premiership whilst players such as Carrazzo, Scotland, Judd are around I don't think it will happen. When, and if, some of those kpp develop into good players (2-3 years) then I think we're a chance. By then Murph, Gibbs, Yarran, Kreuzer etc. should also be in their prime. If Mick can get better output out of the likes of Armfield, Touhy, Walker, Garlett, Jamison, Henderson, Robinson etc. then Carlton will be competing for premierships. But by then so will several other emerging teams.
Just wish MM would get to work a bit sooner.
Agree the attitude and effort at times was poor, and players such as Garlett, Yarran, Gibbs may have had years below par. Lucas' lack of development is the only real concern I have so personally don't think the Carlton list is anywhere near as problematic as the OP and others suggest.
Anyone who thought Carlton was a genuine premiership chance this year is, or rather was, delusional and same goes for next year IMO - I'm expecting bottom half of the 8 but maybe even miss out on finals again. Whilst it's evident that the administration & supporters (and I) are desperate for a premiership whilst players such as Carrazzo, Scotland, Judd are around I don't think it will happen. When, and if, some of those kpp develop into good players (2-3 years) then I think we're a chance. By then Murph, Gibbs, Yarran, Kreuzer etc. should also be in their prime. If Mick can get better output out of the likes of Armfield, Touhy, Walker, Garlett, Jamison, Henderson, Robinson etc. then Carlton will be competing for premierships. But by then so will several other emerging teams.
Just wish MM would get to work a bit sooner.
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Robbo played with a broken hand for a month
Yarran played with turf toe for three games
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Good god dont argue with someone who actually knows whats going on to the Carlton players when you don't
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Good post. I also agree that Carlton have no depth. From a development perspective, it was really disappointing to see that when Carlton got the injuries to their senior players earlier on in the year their younger players like Davies, White, Casboult etc were not good enough to come into the side and impact when they were needed most.
I think Carlton will struggle to make the 8 next year. Whilst Malthouse will be great, I think he is going to need at least another season to iron out the bad habits that the previous coaching regime instilled into the playing list. I also think they are going to have to go back to the draft because the current crop of youngsters failed them this year.
Great work guys, we're well onto our third page and I feel we are making some real progress in addressing the issues. I think we should now shift the agenda onto Bryce Gibbs and his failure to live up to expectations. Is he under to much pressure? Is he a midfielder or defender, tagger or playmaker? Could he be traded? What do Carlton supporters see as his role moving forward?
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