And you think carlton would survive? Seriously deluded.
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And you think carlton would survive? Seriously deluded.
His last 3 drafts and trade periods were good but you won two games this year? That's right, you strategically traded away a BnF winner and your best midfielder for early draft picks with the intention of being poor in the short term so you could accumulate even more young talent. I don't why the other AFL clubs should be penalised to assist in this strategy.
Carlton is a club that has won more premierships than any other club, as its supporters are ready to remind people. Where was the assistance carlton was offering the other VFL clubs when it was enjoying such success. It kind of went where 'carlton ferk the rest'.
Carlton could not do any worse than this current farce of a system.
Seriously what choice did we have?
He asked to go a year earlier and we held him to his contract. What club in this 'modern age of FA/AFLPA actually holds a player to his contract when he wants to move? We did it for a year.
We made the best of a bad situation and lost our best player from 2017.
The problem is yet another player left a bottom club to go to a leading club for a chance of success.
As he is from Carlton nobody will look at it that way (he also went 'home' as he had young children).
How is that equalisation going?
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As supporters we cop the 100 point defeats and opposition supporters waving wooden spoons at us, so we'll cop anything the AFL throws at us as well. When we are travelling ok it will be back to ferk the rest which is what all supporters of all clubs say.
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Free Agency is open to all clubs. To me, RFA is where the discrepancy lies.
If a player leaves a bottom club loses a top RFA to a top club, the bottom club is unlikely to match because the destination club only has a late 1st rounder. So they will take the compensation. Eg GC this taking pick 3. So bottom club (GC) get good compensation but have lost a gun player. Top club get said gun, but crucially pay nothing in terms of draft/trade currency.
If you flip it and a player is leaving a higher ranked team but going to a bottom team. Then they are more likely to match and force a trade because the natural draft pick of the destination club is betterer than the compensation they'd receive for the RFA.
So in this example the destination club gets the gun player but it costs them their 1st round pick. While the other club loses a gun player but recieves a better pick than the compensation system would normally allow.
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The bloke asked to be traded 2 years running.
What was the alternative? Wait a year and get a 2nd rounder at best? How many more game would we have won this year with Gibbs in the team? 2?
Easy to pot decisions in hindsight without giving an alternative.
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The priority pick (which ended up being 21) was traded to Port Adelaide as part of the Pearce Hanley trade to the Gold Coast before Sydney ended up with it by the trade deadline. They used it to pick up Will Hayward. Part of the trade secured Pick 23 for the Lions (Alex Witherden) and Port Adelaide's 2017 first round DP (traded for Charlie Cameron)
And why does getting one stop Brisbane getting another two years later?
Yes we got one. No it wasn't Witherden.
We traded the PP to Port, who on traded it to Sydney, who drafted Hayward.
We received Ports 2017 1st round draft pick, which we traded to Adelaide for Charlie Cameron.
So net result, AFL gave us a PP, which we used to trade for Charlie Cameron 12 months later.
I think we should also get a priority Bontempelli, and priority Sidebottom and a priority Petracca.
Wins and Points For should be the indicator.
GCS and Carlton scored less than 1400 for the season.
if you're averaging less than 70 a game across the season, the team is in trouble.
If that is leading to less than 5 wins across 22 games, they need a Priority Pick.
GCS and Carlton scored less than 1400 for the season.
if you're averaging less than 70 a game across the season, the team is in trouble.
If that is leading to less than 5 wins across 22 games, they need a Priority Pick.
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Go back to my original post and tell me:
1. Why you deserve a priority pick given the amount of talent on your list
2. What difference is an extra pick going to make when you already have had far greater draft opportunity than all clubs except, yet you're still at the bottom
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Completely agree. The AFL have a system in place that nobody knows the criteria about getting a priority pick. This is the issue which causes debate and confusion about eligibility. If you look at carlton over the last 5 years and our onfield performance we should get a priority pick. If we don't qualify for one then who will? This is within the rules of the AFL. They have created pandoras box. They either need to scrap the priority pick altogether or clearly define the eligibility.
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You realise Rance was a priority pick that Richmond begged for right? lol
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first of all we dont have much talent and secondly GCS are going to have a better opportunity because they will have 2 and 3. Also North will get the 3rd best player in the draft at pick 10.
Why is it important for the rest of the competition that carlton get better?
It is supposed to be about a competitive professional sport in which carlton has been handed a better hand then all the other clubs with the exception of the two new clubs and perhaps Melbourne. With the number of number one draft picks on your list, together, with first round draft picks you have more young talent already at your disposal then the majority of clubs.
Other clubs have been denied any access to the first round for years upon years, whilst carlton has been receiving early picks. At some point the competition should be saying carlton has received its quota of early picks and the club should be denied all picks in the first round to give the other clubs a chance of getting some talent onto their list.
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Have no problem with Gold Coast getting whatever assistance they need as the AFL stuffed up their creation big time. You can't have a shambles of a club representing an area and population the AFL desperately wants to convert.
I have big problems with Carlton getting anything, as whatever state they are in is of their own doing.
On their current list they have 11 players taken in the top 10 and another 7 taken 11-20. There's no shortage of talent at Carlton, it's how THEY have managed their affairs. No PP.
I have big problems with Carlton getting anything, as whatever state they are in is of their own doing.
On their current list they have 11 players taken in the top 10 and another 7 taken 11-20. There's no shortage of talent at Carlton, it's how THEY have managed their affairs. No PP.
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the afl wants all the most popular vic clubs being good
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Carlton don’t need priority picks they need mature players which they could get by trading pick1. But they are not interested in being competitive they want to load up with early first rounders in the next 2 years so they can dominate in 4/5 years time!
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Yeah, you just described a rebuild, which is what we are doing ..
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No one 'deserves' a priority pick....Priority picks are merely AFL charity, handed out upon the basis of arbitrary whim & fiat, so long as those grovelling clubs toe the AFL's policies without a hint of protest in the future.....Political manipulation founded upon quid pro quo tactics.
You bold this like it means something when you are including players like Garlett who we dragged out of the WAFL using a pick in the 60's.
We have Murphy, Kruezer, Cripps, Weitering, Mckay, Curnow, SPS, Dow, O'Brien as our only players we have drafted inside the top 20, so half of the numbers you are counting were brought into the club after FAILING to live up to their lofty draft position.
You have a big problem with a team that won 2 games getting pick 19 for nothing, what are your thoughts on the premiers getting Lynch for nothing which is essentially 2 free first round picks and a player because that is what it would cost to get him? Is that how equalization should be working is it?
Well why doesn't carlton do something similar to Richmond by chasing free agents. It is within the rules afterall, get in the ear of Gaff for a start; put in the ground work for the GWS players that next season will become free agents i.e. Shiel and Coniglio. The whole Tom Lynch to Richmond thing didn't just start this year, Richmond have been putting in the ground work for sometime.
You keep hearing that SOS doesn't want to pay for anything; he doesn't like paying free agents big salaries and he doesn't like handing over draft picks for players. And that is fine but what you end up with is a list made up from early picks with a lot of young talent and little experience. This season was the downward swing from this approach but next season you could well end up winning 7 or 8 games.
This whole idea though that you cannot compete until you have 25 first round draft picks on your list though is a fantasy. Hawthorn those first pick in the 2016 draft was pick 74 ended up with Harry Morrison and he looks as good to me as many of carlton's first round draft picks.
The other reason why carton should not get assistance is the fact that the club has contributed to the situation by trading away Gibbs for early picks. SOS is on record as saying that anyone can accumulate a list to finish 7th or 8th but carlton are strategically staying low to accumulate talent. Even though this tactic amounts to tanking, if this is the path they want to go then that is fine but you cannot expect the other 17 clubs to be penalised to effect this strategy.
