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Analysis Which clubs deserve a priority pick?
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They'd probably trade out the good players for draft picks, complain they can't win many games and head to the afl with their beggars bowl again.
Since when did anyone need your permission to have an opinion.
Maybe you should look at your own posts. Pot, kettle, glass houses and all that.
Talk about making a hypocrite of yourself. At least you can face the fact that SOS as helped you build a crap side.
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SOS has been at the helm for three years - Richmond conducted a 25 year rebuild Say again?
Besides we are the only team in history to have won a finals match whilst outside the top eight.
The other side of that of course was Richmond. Only Blues can win finals matches whilst not making the eight. Poor sorry Tigers - congrats on your flag long time coming but finally got there. Well done.
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Hawthorn has lost one game to Carlton in 15 years, how does that make you feel?
If North Melbourne and the dogs are so well run why do they need more handouts from the AFL then other clubs?
The blues are in the situation they are now because of poor list management from 2005 to 2014. The only way to improve the list now is buy making hard decisions and trading out players with value.
You were the one referring to your own as "crap" were you not. See your post above.
Obviously you're in such a rush to respond you don't read or comprehend your own posts.
Most of your post is just so juvenile. But that's to be expected from you.
Yes our flag was built on hard work and a rebuild amongst compromised drafts. We refused the beggars bowl route and a handout and worked to get our own success.
And you've had fists full of them. So move on and try to address the thread topic rather than prove how immature you are.
You're doing a good job of ruining a thread with your childish trolling.
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I can see by your posting you are obviously a teenager, so Carlton being a basket case is all you have ever known.
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So good trading now equates to a PP. In Croad's case he was traded together with McPharlin, both former first round draft picks - pick 3 and 12 respectively. Croad played 38 games for Fremantle and kicked 60 goals, being their leading goalkicker in 2002 with 42 goals. Croad was subsequently traded back to Hawthorn in return for pick 10.
So in this scenario where good trading equates to a PP. Then the following where all PPs: Adelaide overpaying with 2 first round draft picks for a 28 year old Gibbs; the first round draft pick for Yarran; the second round draft picks for Bell and Troy Menzel; robbing Brisbane of Sam Docherty for pick 33; and the first round draft pick received for Lachlan Henderson. Lets not forget the significant unders paid to get Caleb Marchbank and Matthew Kennedy.
So that means carlton has received a huge number of PPs. Talk about re-affirming why this club should never get any further AFL assistance.
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I think the Hawks should get a PP for 2 reasons.
1. To make up for the scam the AFL pulled for only getting pick 19 for the Hawks losing a once in a generation player.
2. This Premiership drought is killing me.
1. To make up for the scam the AFL pulled for only getting pick 19 for the Hawks losing a once in a generation player.
2. This Premiership drought is killing me.
Hawks already get private help from Gil over Coffee when things go against you, plus help from the Umps weekly #freekickHawthorn.
Most indulged club in the AFL, but please continue your whinge...
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^^^^^^
I think my little bit of humour went way over the top of this blokes head.
"BluesRule" did give me a giggle though, so thanks for that.
I think my little bit of humour went way over the top of this blokes head.
"BluesRule" did give me a giggle though, so thanks for that.
Strahany
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The irony of this situation is that the one club pushing hardest for a priority pick is the same club that proves that priority picks don't work. Carlton have done well to trade out established talent so as to collect as many quality picks as possible, all the while ensuring they'll stay on the bottom of the ladder whilst their elite talent is developing, all so they can spin a sob story and request yet another priority pick.
Their side is extremely underrated due to a couple injuries and an exodus of older talent, combined with a failure to trade established players in (compare that to Brisbane with Beams and their recent rumours regarding Neale, or St Kilda chasing the likes of Carlisle, Hanebery, and Lycett). If you choose to trade for established players and fail, then you'll be stuck in no man's land in the middle of the ladder, but if you choose to draft then you'll stay down the bottom and be rewarded with further picks.
I've seen no indication that Carlton have attempted to right the ship in the short term, based on their list management. It's amazing that they have the gumption to approach the AFL and point to their languishing ladder position as if it's out of their control.
Their side is extremely underrated due to a couple injuries and an exodus of older talent, combined with a failure to trade established players in (compare that to Brisbane with Beams and their recent rumours regarding Neale, or St Kilda chasing the likes of Carlisle, Hanebery, and Lycett). If you choose to trade for established players and fail, then you'll be stuck in no man's land in the middle of the ladder, but if you choose to draft then you'll stay down the bottom and be rewarded with further picks.
I've seen no indication that Carlton have attempted to right the ship in the short term, based on their list management. It's amazing that they have the gumption to approach the AFL and point to their languishing ladder position as if it's out of their control.
I think the AFL need to bring back the priority pick before the first round if you win 4 games or less in a season (on second thought it should be after the non-finalist). This is more necessary now that free agency is in and clubs can just top up with players that want to play finals and win a flag.
Looking back in the past at clubs that received priority picks and how they went.
Pies recieved 1 in 1999 and made the 2002 and 2003 grand final.
Pies recieved another 1 in 2005 and won the grand final in 2010.
Freo has had 2 priority picks 99 and 01 (which they traded to hawks)
Freo made 2 finals 03 and 06 (lost the prelim to Sydney)
Saints have had 2 priority picks 2000 and 2001, they made 2 grand finals.
West Coast 3 priority picks, 01, 08 and 10. Won grand final in 06 and made grand final in 15.
Dogs 2 priority picks 03 and 04, made 2 prelims in 08, 09 and 10. Premiership 2016.
Blues 4 priority picks, 03, 05, 06, 07. Finals from 09-11.
Melbourne 3 priority picks, 03, 08, 09.
Finals from 04-06 and 18
Tigers 2 priority picks, 04 and 07, finals from 13 -18(excluding 16) and flag in 17.
Hawks 2 priority picks 04-05, flags 06, 13-15.
So 8 grand finals in the last 17 years have been won by teams who have had a priority pick.
So the other 10 grand finals have been won by
Cats 3 (father sons has been a big reason for this with Scarlet, Hawkins and the Abletts)
Swans 2 ( 1 million extra in the cap a year helps)
Lions 3 (Merger of 2 clubs, I’m sure there is other stuff the AFL did)
Port 1 (can’t think of anything but I’m sure they had an advantage some how)
Looking back in the past at clubs that received priority picks and how they went.
Pies recieved 1 in 1999 and made the 2002 and 2003 grand final.
Pies recieved another 1 in 2005 and won the grand final in 2010.
Freo has had 2 priority picks 99 and 01 (which they traded to hawks)
Freo made 2 finals 03 and 06 (lost the prelim to Sydney)
Saints have had 2 priority picks 2000 and 2001, they made 2 grand finals.
West Coast 3 priority picks, 01, 08 and 10. Won grand final in 06 and made grand final in 15.
Dogs 2 priority picks 03 and 04, made 2 prelims in 08, 09 and 10. Premiership 2016.
Blues 4 priority picks, 03, 05, 06, 07. Finals from 09-11.
Melbourne 3 priority picks, 03, 08, 09.
Finals from 04-06 and 18
Tigers 2 priority picks, 04 and 07, finals from 13 -18(excluding 16) and flag in 17.
Hawks 2 priority picks 04-05, flags 06, 13-15.
So 8 grand finals in the last 17 years have been won by teams who have had a priority pick.
So the other 10 grand finals have been won by
Cats 3 (father sons has been a big reason for this with Scarlet, Hawkins and the Abletts)
Swans 2 ( 1 million extra in the cap a year helps)
Lions 3 (Merger of 2 clubs, I’m sure there is other stuff the AFL did)
Port 1 (can’t think of anything but I’m sure they had an advantage some how)
Robertio
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Why is Deledio playing at GWS. Did Richmond trade him out for a draft pick?
Strahany
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Correlation does not imply causation. Furthermore, data becomes reliable as the sample size grows so, if you were going to make *any* conclusion from all of this information, it would be that priority picks don't work since the club with the single most priority picks (AKA the biggest sample size), with all bar one being before the first round, and all coming in the closest succession, has performed the worst out of all other clubs to receive priority picks.
In fact, this likely proves that the strategy to tank and languish down the bottom succeeds only in gaining priority picks, and fails to actually make the side any better. For future reference, you are supposed to look at data first and then make a conclusion, not begin with your predetermined conclusion and then try to find data to support your point.
Robertio
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Not a very smart post.
Robertio
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Have we asked for one?
Strahany
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A three second google search would answer your question; yes.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-priority-pick-on-agenda-20180829-p500fh.html
The blues also had pick 1 and 2 and 2 second round picks taken from them. There is also other reason why the club failed when down the bottom from 2003 to 2007, really poor list management apart from the blues first pick all other picks were pretty poor as well as a lot of bad trades and wasted picks.
Strahany
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Just so I understand you, I want to clarify. Are you saying that the club with the highest concentration of priority picks, who also failed to achieve any success off the back of said abundance of picks, would have performed much better had they been given *more* picks, despite no indication that this is the case? How many priority picks do you want - should the AFL just keep giving them to Carlton until they finally win another flag, lest the supporters bemoan that they're still hard done by?
On your point of poor list management, the reality is that it's your own fault. Like I said before, when a club makes a poor list management decision by trading for a player who doesn't perform well, becomes injured, or has extraneous issues that hinder performance, this club still rises up the ladder but not enough to make any impact. In other words, this club gets no reward from their trade since they're still not playing finals, but they get no special help either. Meanwhile, because Carlton made the choice to go "all or nothing" (which is what drafting is, after all, since every pick is almost pure speculation) they failed to go up the ladder and go rewarded with further priority picks. The fault of making poor list management decisions lies solely on the club, and doesn't deserve a get out of jail free card, especially when it seems like they expect it, given their deliberate trading practises.
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