Coach Who should be our next coach?

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15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney (GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis
7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon, Brendon Lade, Adem Yze interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9
 
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Mr Mojo Risin said:
You're right. I need to take a good hard look at myself.

But if Jimmy can #comeback from mistakes like he is, then I'll use that as inspiration to try myself.

Essendon needs me.

They need my money so they can have heated change room bench seats because it will make the players play better.

The players need my sponsorship money because they cannot afford to buy extra ankle strapping.

The team needs me to unconditionally cheer them and boo the opposition.

I apologise, I'll try to do better.
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To be fair, I think you showed some good leadership.
 
With all due respect to Zach and the people arguing for and against, in which Hird may not be the right man, let us not shy away from the literal fact that Merrett played 17 games under his direct guidance. That's interim coach levels of duration. The entitlement to speak out in definite terms after that small of a sample size is quite an indictment on the way the club has been running since.
 
MiguelM said:
Didn't find the comments that damning TBH. In the end Merrett said if Hird was coach he would make it work, back peddling instantly. Sounds more like an off the cuff remark at a casual event that came out poorly.

Would put money on him answering differently if asked again.

If he said he would request a trade of stand down from footy, that would be damning. Storm in a teacup, clickbait. Unfortunately, we are going to be bombarded with BS beat ups. Media will be digging again.
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What was actually said? Seen a few varying reports now
 

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Call Me Cake said:
With all due respect to Zach and the people arguing for and against, in which Hird may not be the right man, let us not shy away from the literal fact that Merrett played 17 games under his direct guidance. That's interim coach levels of duration. The entitlement to speak out in definite terms after that small of a sample size is quite an indictment on the way the club has been running since.
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He has a more intimate understanding of the situation and what is being asked than really anyone else still at Essendon besides Heppell.

The only way to really disregard his opinion at this point is to also disregard anything else before 2016 as irrelevant to appointing a coach in 2023 – which makes sense to me generally anyway.

It wouldn't make a lot of difference if Yze or Lade or anyone else was a terrible coach in 2015 either. I'm only interested in what he can do now, next year.
 
Call Me Cake said:
With all due respect to Zach and the people arguing for and against, in which Hird may not be the right man, let us not shy away from the literal fact that Merrett played 17 games under his direct guidance. That's interim coach levels of duration. The entitlement to speak out in definite terms after that small of a sample size is quite an indictment on the way the club has been running since.
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Literal fact! Definite terms!

Man this post is all over the shop
 
I'd be staggered if Zach isn't currently exploring his ability to be traded before he asks for one. He was unsure about signing last year, it's obvious we sold him a lemon of stability under Rutten... one year later it's all gone.

He's clearly a driven bloke and wants success, surely he knows by now he's not going to get it here.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
I'd be staggered if Zach isn't currently exploring his ability to be traded before he asks for one. He was unsure about signing last year, it's obvious we sold him a lemon of stability under Rutten... one year later it's all gone.

He's clearly a driven bloke and wants success, surely he knows by now he's not going to get it here.
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He was on 360 in round 23 and addressed some of this. Ditto at that function apparently – he's committed to seeing it through now.

I know we've seen players lie through their teeth before, but this is the guy that wants to be our next captain and seems to have a mite more integrity than the other losers that made a pact with him to make the club good again and then ditched. Unlike them I reckon he'll stick around and try to make it happen.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
So do you think everyone in our club should freely speak all their opinions in public at all times?

Like I previously said, I applaud his honesty simply on principal. But I don’t think his actions in this situation shows good leadership.

If you are a leader you are speaking for more than yourself when being a representative of your organisation.

Sometimes being a good leader is not sharing your personal opinion.

Regardless it’s of not major consequence and not an instance I’m fussed about. I simply contest the assertion by DERO that it was good leadership.
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Sometimes good leadership is having the guts to say what no one else will. About time we had a leader like that
 
andleanback said:
Rutten was terrible. Had to be moved
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The next guy will be just as bad if he asks them to defend.

Rutten had the right idea. He just couldn’t sell the message and should have realised you can not inspire blue collar with no leaders and very limited hard edge players.
 
I'm sure if Merrett had any inkling of it being a possibility he wouldn't have said it. Like it's the same answer you'd expect to get if someone asked about Bomber, Worsfold, Sheedy or whoever coming back to coach.

So I guess the question is, why is he doing appearances (which are club-sanctioned by default) without anyone cluing him in about how to answer a question like that?
 

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Howard Moon said:
maybe they did, maybe he answered how some in power wanted
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You missed my edit;
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Like it's the same answer you'd expect to get if someone asked about Bomber, Worsfold, Sheedy or whoever coming back to coach.
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Also I don't think so. Why would someone in power say "please give a vague, generally unenthusiastic answer if they ask you about Hird"
 
Lore said:
I'm sure if Merrett had any inkling of it being a possibility he wouldn't have said it.

So I guess the question is, why is he doing appearances (which are club-sanctioned by default) without anyone cluing him in about how to answer a question like that?
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I'd also guess the second it came out of his mouth he regretted it.

These guys are trained not to say stuff like that. If it was calculated he wouldn't have bothered to say he'd make it work afterward.
 
andleanback said:
The media have hung merrett out to dry and let the nuffies feast. The comments he made, were last week before he even knew that hird would actually be involved in the process, he also said he’d back anyone who became coach. For someone who was actually inside the 4 walls during 2014-2015 he’s allowed his opinion.
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He’s a wannabe captain of the club. He can’t be that daft surely? He can keep his opinion but express it within the 4 walls of the club.

I think it’s a little more serious than you’re making it out to be. The timing of it really doesn’t matter. I wouldn’t want him to captain the club. He can **** right off to be perfectly honest.

I don’t want Hird as coach.
 
ant555 said:
The next guy will be just as bad if he asks them to defend.

Rutten had the right idea. He just couldn’t sell the message and should have realised you can not inspire blue collar with no leaders and very limited hard edge players.
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Rutten couldn't sell a message because after 3 years at the club he didn't have a message worth selling. Let it go.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
I'd also guess the second it came out of his mouth he regretted it.

These guys are trained not to say stuff like that. If it was calculated he wouldn't have bothered to say he'd make it work afterward.
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I think when you hear other players and coaches go on 360 or elsewhere they tend to be a lot more open about what's going on and their opinions on things compared to what our blokes are told to say.

I really don't mind if he's trying to be more like that... perhaps this isn't the exact right topic for that but generally speaking I vastly prefer it to the obstructive stonewalling type approach to everything that we've had for like a decade.
 
Lore said:
He was on 360 in round 23 and addressed some of this. Ditto at that function apparently – he's committed to seeing it through now.

I know we've seen players lie through their teeth before, but this is the guy that wants to be our next captain and seems to have a mite more integrity than the other losers that made a pact with him to make the club good again and then ditched. Unlike them I reckon he'll stick around and try to make it happen.
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Unfortunately, with public statements like he has made about Hird (however honest and well intentioned they might have been), he might have pissed off some "Essendon people". Anything that might be seen to influence the appointment of one person over another as coach is essentially a political statement at this point.

It's unfair to expect footy players to understand that anything they say has some influence in the public opinion of any potential candidate, and it's much better for them to entirely abstain from participating. Coterie groups and board members basically exist to play these off-field games, so that is the light in which they will view it.

Hopefully they have the magnanimity to forgive the intrusion of a honest and frank opinion being aired in public - afaik, Essendon doesn't eat their own.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
I'd be staggered if Zach isn't currently exploring his ability to be traded before he asks for one. He was unsure about signing last year, it's obvious we sold him a lemon of stability under Rutten... one year later it's all gone.

He's clearly a driven bloke and wants success, surely he knows by now he's not going to get it here.
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Imagine turning a stat merchant masquerading as a good player into 2 first round picks.
 
bombadeer said:
Unfortunately, with public statements like he has made about Hird (however honest and well intentioned they might have been), he might have pissed off some "Essendon people". Anything that might be seen to influence the appointment of one person over another as coach is essentially a political statement at this point.

It's unfair to expect footy players to understand that anything they say has some influence in the public opinion of any potential candidate, and it's much better for them to entirely abstain from participating. Coterie groups and board members basically exist to play these off-field games, so that is the light in which they will view it.

Hopefully they have the magnanimity to forgive the intrusion of a honest and frank opinion being aired in public - afaik, Essendon doesn't eat their own.
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I think it's more of a 'from the mouths of babes' situation.
 
Lore said:
I think when you hear other players and coaches go on 360 or elsewhere they tend to be a lot more open about what's going on and their opinions on things compared to what our blokes are told to say.

I really don't mind if he's trying to be more like that... perhaps this isn't the exact right topic for that but generally speaking I vastly prefer it to the obstructive stonewalling type approach to everything that we've had for like a decade.
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As a viewer it's nice to get insight and generally honesty and transparency can be a good thing.

It's just not always helpful to your team/club/organisation depending on the topic and the forum and it's not always good leadership.

In any case it's a bit of a storm in a teacup as with a lot of things relating to Hird tend to be.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
If it turns out this is a collective and agreed opinion of the whole playing group and they feel that the Hird media machine needs a public response which was the cause of Merrett's comments, then yes that would be good leadership.

Do you think that was the case?
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I think it's highly likely that Merrett's had a couple of chats with the playing group about who their next coach will be. Would be a bit odd if he hadn't.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
As a viewer it's nice to get insight and generally honesty and transparency can be a good thing.

It's just not always helpful to your team/club/organisation depending on the topic and the forum and it's not always good leadership.

In any case it's a bit of a storm in a teacup as with a lot of things relating to Hird tend to be.
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I think if we had these honest, transparent insights a bit more often people wouldn't get so excited about titbits.

And it's the same sort of thing that you want from a coach in order to influence the rules to be interpreted in your favour too.
 
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