Coach Who should be our next coach?

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15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney (GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis
7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon, Brendon Lade, Adem Yze interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9
 
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BrunoV said:
Strange that he was invited to participate and then told to get the experience he clearly didn't have (if the belief is that he still needs to do an apprenticeship).

Is this what Caro said or is it your paraphrasing?
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Depends on how the invited is interpreted when it is reported. The version I heard was they did contact him but it was more along the lines of if you think you want the job then we will interview you but you will need to do the full process and the panel will decide. It was not a James we really want you to apply call.
 

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Bowakawa said:
I don't reckon you can get much of an idea of someone's personality or ability from press conferences that they're contractually obligated to appear at.
This episode of Melbourne's in house podcast gives you a bit of a better idea what he's like: my takeaways are that he's studious, competitive, a family man, humble and sees the role of coach as that of a teacher. Also says he was a mad Essendon fan as a kid.
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The last mad essendon fan who played their footy elsewhere was Kevin Sheedy…….
 
Xyle01 said:
I just watched a few interviews Yze has done this year and I can't say I am overly impressed. I don't feel he is an upgrade on Rutten.
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A lot of the arguments against Yze are about his ability to sell a message.
Same arguments were used against Rutten and that even though his defensive system helped Richmond it was because Hardwick was able to sell it.

If we get the Yze/Choco combo I think that should alleviate the concerns as Choco will help sell the message and he has a proven record of doing that. After seeing what he did to get the melb midfield stars to get better defensively I'm keen to see what he could do with us.
I think Yze/Williams is a good combo as they would hopefully complement each other well with Williams able to insulate Yze from upper management interference.
 
DonsRule said:
Lol.

To be fair to Hird on this hes has only just returned to the game and probably couldn't any sooner than he had. I can see him more in a board/CEO role at some point. I tend to feel like he is too happy in his business role to commit to going through te coaching ranks. His Howie interview kinda gave that indication too loves footy but his mind seems in coaching and can he give up his business again?

I think Hird is a guy that can sell a message think that big part of what is needed. Just need to see more in how commited he is.
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The whole apprenticeship thing I get why people think it but when talking about players we always talk about the x-factor, but when it comes to coaching there isn't any room left for this anymore?

What is important is having a clear and strong message, and then selling it to the point players will go over the wall for you with it. I am convinced from all of what I have seen on the coaching list we are looking at, is that Hird is the strongest in terms of relationship building and in his ability to be articulate with his message on the field and in the media.

Obvious past issues aside, I still think Hird with the right team around him is the man to get the most out of our list. At the very least I don't want us to end up with Yze unless he is strong enough to read from his own script cards and doesn't rehash the same "brand of Footy" cards handed by the Essendon Media advisors and previously worn thin by Worsfold and Rutten.
 
jag001 said:
The whole apprenticeship thing I get why people think it but when talking about players we always talk about the x-factor, but when it comes to coaching there isn't any room left for this anymore?

What is important is having a clear and strong message, and then selling it to the point players will go over the wall for you with it. I am convinced from all of what I have seen on the coaching list we are looking at, is that Hird is the strongest in terms of relationship building and in his ability to be articulate with his message on the field and in the media.

Obvious past issues aside, I still think Hird with the right team around him is the man to get the most out of our list. At the very least I don't want us to end up with Yze unless he is strong enough to read from his own script cards and doesn't rehash the same "brand of Footy" cards handed by the Essendon Media advisors and previously worn thin by Worsfold and Rutten.
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I don't think its out of the equation that a coach could be appointed without an apprenticeship one day again. The unfortunate thing for Hird is he stuffed up his chance before the apprenticeship. Its clearly a hard sell to get people over the line without one now unless he does one.
 
jag001 said:
The whole apprenticeship thing I get why people think it but when talking about players we always talk about the x-factor, but when it comes to coaching there isn't any room left for this anymore?

What is important is having a clear and strong message, and then selling it to the point players will go over the wall for you with it. I am convinced from all of what I have seen on the coaching list we are looking at, is that Hird is the strongest in terms of relationship building and in his ability to be articulate with his message on the field and in the media.

Obvious past issues aside, I still think Hird with the right team around him is the man to get the most out of our list. At the very least I don't want us to end up with Yze unless he is strong enough to read from his own script cards and doesn't rehash the same "brand of Footy" cards handed by the Essendon Media advisors and previously worn thin by Worsfold and Rutten.
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Personally, I don't think Hird will gain an awful lot from an apprenticeship that he wouldn't learn quickly on the job and he has the x-factor. I'd have zero problem with us choosing him simply from a coaching perspective.

But, for me, it's bigger than the coach. I want us to be run professionally and while a process in and of itself means nothing unless it's a good process that becomes mature, honed and well understood by all, we need to start that journey. The position we're in as a club as a whole and our problems often being linked to lack of process says to me that we need to hire whoever is chosen by process.

For Hird, I want him to do an apprenticeship elsewhere not because I think it will improve him a lot as a coach that he couldn't do on the job at Essendon (it will likely improve him and increase his skills for sure, don't get me wrong), but because I want him to prove how much he wants it. I want him to show his name should not get him the job or favour him, but to leave no stone un-turned and leave a future selection panel with no choice. I want him to approach his journey as a coach like he did as a player. Start as someone no better than anyone else and prove your credentials through sheer hard work.
 
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Mercurial89 said:
A lot of the arguments against Yze are about his ability to sell a message.
Same arguments were used against Rutten and that even though his defensive system helped Richmond it was because Hardwick was able to sell it.

If we get the Yze/Choco combo I think that should alleviate the concerns as Choco will help sell the message and he has a proven record of doing that. After seeing what he did to get the melb midfield stars to get better defensively I'm keen to see what he could do with us.
I think Yze/Williams is a good combo as they would hopefully complement each other well with Williams able to insulate Yze from upper management interference.
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To be fair arguments about selling the message based on a couple of press conferences is a bit of a stretch.
Also the Hardwicke was able to sell it is also a bit harsh on Truck. In 2016 Hardwicke was told to stop being so serious and hand over more control to his assistant coaches.
 

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Give Hirdy Sheeds' Ambassadorial $ and get the old codger out of there
 
brutus76 said:
Give Hirdy Sheeds' Ambassadorial $ and get the old codger out of there
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I think it is better that Hird is not at the club at all if someone else gets the coaching job. The new coach will need clean air.

But if Yze gets the coaching job and is unable to get a better result in 2023 than Rutten got in 2021, the doubts will rise and divisions will come to the floor. If we perform poorly in 2024 we will be back here again searching for a new coach in 2025. I have very little confidence we are going to achieve success with Yze but will sit back and quietly observe.

But I'll be sure to smack it in the faces of those on here who have been hardcore advocating for him ;)
 
jag001 said:
The whole apprenticeship thing I get why people think it but when talking about players we always talk about the x-factor, but when it comes to coaching there isn't any room left for this anymore?

What is important is having a clear and strong message, and then selling it to the point players will go over the wall for you with it. I am convinced from all of what I have seen on the coaching list we are looking at, is that Hird is the strongest in terms of relationship building and in his ability to be articulate with his message on the field and in the media.

Obvious past issues aside, I still think Hird with the right team around him is the man to get the most out of our list. At the very least I don't want us to end up with Yze unless he is strong enough to read from his own script cards and doesn't rehash the same "brand of Footy" cards handed by the Essendon Media advisors and previously worn thin by Worsfold and Rutten.
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I guess I think that was part of the problem with his first stint.

Had good intentions. I do think he can sell a message and get everyone on the same page. I don't even think he would have to do a 10 year apprenticeship even if it was a 2-3 years under a successful coach preferable. Just to better understand the comms within the coaches box if that makes sense, last time he kinda left too much to assumption that others were doing their jobs properly. And things well we know the rest.

Maybe as you said the right team around him I would just prefer more experience if the panel chooses him, I would accept it.
 
Why would Hird need to do an apprenticeship?

He's already coached for 4 years and was part of the GWS setup this year. Sounds like a shit excuse just to get him out of there.

I would have liked a longer return to football but that type of comment shows very little respect.
 
kelvin_sheedy said:
Why would Hird need to do an apprenticeship?

He's already coached for 4 years and was part of the GWS setup this year. Sounds like a s**t excuse just to get him out of there.

I would have liked a longer return to football but that type of comment shows very little respect.
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So if they'd said "we'd have liked a longer return to football" instead of "do an apprenticeship", you'd be happy?
 
kelvin_sheedy said:
Why would Hird need to do an apprenticeship?

He's already coached for 4 years and was part of the GWS setup this year. Sounds like a s**t excuse just to get him out of there.

I would have liked a longer return to football but that type of comment shows very little respect.
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Has never been an assistant under a non-caretaker coach, has never had the opportunity to observe how a non-caretaker coach operates, has never been part of a successful system as a coach.
 
Don't quite understand Caracella. He'd have a senior gig by now if he wanted one given his impecable resume. From all reports he has either never wanted the top job or never applied for one. I thought he was content on being an assistant but maybe there is more to it...
 
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