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15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney (GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis
7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon, Brendon Lade, Adem Yze interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
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DapperDon said:
I don't want Hird as coach because since he left us he has spent a total of 6 months in a coaches box.

Why do you want him as coach? (making the assumption you do, my mistake if reading your post incorrectly)
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Do yourself a favour and go and watch the "In conversation with James Hird and Shane Crawford" interview (youtube) Just because he has been out of the coaching box for years, does not mean he has not got the ability. You either have it or you don't, much like being a champion of the game....its in ones makeup to be an inspiration and leader. Then after you have finished watching, compare how he thinks and presents himself and his love in helping this Club and compare that to the Saviour Ross Lyon that you all wanted who has done nothing but bag our Club out and repeated confidential information in the media to gain attention to himself and further make a mockery of Essendon. I WANT someone that wants to coach this Club that is serious about getting us back to where we deserve to be. I WANT someone that is passionate about being at the helm of this team, not someone that is using the job as a stepping stone, or getting on old coach off the couch to get a Superannuation boost before they retire. James does not have any other reason to return to EFC other than to try his upmost to turn the Club he clearly loves back to where we ALL want it to be.

I know peeps on here say that the majority on here does not want him.......But I can only imagine that if he does return, the memberships will go up and the very first game would be spine tingling.....much like when he came out at the 150th game. At the moment at our games, the only spine tingling moments happens at the half time baby race......
 
Daisy..1 said:
Do yourself a favour and go and watch the "In conversation with James Hird and Shane Crawford" interview (youtube) Just because he has been out of the coaching box for years, does not mean he has not got the ability. You either have it or you don't, much like being a champion of the game....its in ones makeup to be an inspiration and leader. Then after you have finished watching, compare how he thinks and presents himself and his love in helping this Club and compare that to the Saviour Ross Lyon that you all wanted who has done nothing but bag our Club out and repeated confidential information in the media to gain attention to himself and further make a mockery of Essendon. I WANT someone that wants to coach this Club that is serious about getting us back to where we deserve to be. I WANT someone that is passionate about being at the helm of this team, not someone that is using the job as a stepping stone, or getting on old coach off the couch to get a Superannuation boost before they retire. James does not have any other reason to return to EFC other than to try his upmost to turn the Club he clearly loves back to where we ALL want it to be.

I know peeps on here say that the majority on here does not want him.......But I can only imagine that if he does return, the memberships will go up and the very first game would be spine tingling.....much like when he came out at the 150th game. At the moment at our games, the only spine tingling moments happens at the half time baby race......
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It’s not that we don’t agree with everything you’re saying… it’s that we don’t regard those things as sound reasoning for the appointment of a coach via a proper process at a professional football club.

He’s welcome to go away and do more assistant coaching or other roles and leadership courses and tour NFL sides and whatever it is people do when they want to be the best candidate for a job like this.

Once he’s done that, I’m sure most Essendon supporters would welcome him back. But he hasn’t, not yet.
 
JH wouldn't put his hat in the ring if he or his family didn't think he was mentally up to it.

I never listen to podcasts, but I listened to the JH one with Howie. Flame me all you want, but he is as good an option as anyone else that is reported for wanting the job.

This is more than just a job for him, he bleeds black and red. He wants redemption for the 34, who were banned through no fault of their own. Blame him as much as you want, but there were those up in higher positions that didn't cop the scrutiny that he copped.

IMO, he will galvanize the playing group and the club as he did 10 years ago, with a bit more scepticism and maturity.

If the process fairly recommended JH as the way to lead us forward, I am all in. **** what the wider AFL supporter base or community thinks. They are hurling insults right, left and center as it is.
 

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ghostdog said:
I don't want him there because he's not the right fit. His experience is limited, even in the capacity as an assistant. Our group is young and I'd rather they weren't subjected to the sliver of doubt they would have every right to have if Hird got the gig.

I do believe he was jibbed by the AFL. Tough break. Through not much fault of his own, he's now not the right fit in my view.

This said, if he goes through the process and is legitimately found to be the best available candidate then so be it. I also think, though, that if Rutten had been given the first half of '23 to turn things around and then sacked if he couldn't, we would have attracted a much stronger candidacy.

So, for me, it would be an acceptance of Hird under suffrance.
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But if he turned things around
Doss said:
It would be a huge mistake above all because there is no way known he is the best potential coach available in a coaching ability or resume sense. Simple. He’s coached for six months in the past seven years.

We’d be getting him because he is James Hird, Essendon Legend, after making a big show of supposedly running a proper process.

Call me weird, but I’d just like the best coach available.
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Was Barty or Kyrgios great on paper 3 years ago???
 
Daisy..1 said:
But if he turned things around

Was Barty or Kyrgios great on paper 3 years ago???
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Last I checked Barty and Kyrgios haven’t applied for the senior coaching role at Essendon and even if they did — regardless of whether their resumes were from three years ago or today — they wouldn’t be the best candidate in a well run process.

I don’t care if it’s John Farnham, the Queen, Nelson Mandela or Tom Brady.

If you took the name off the top of the resume you wouldn’t add it to the short list for a coaching job. And therein lies the problem.
 
Lore said:
It’s not that we don’t agree with everything you’re saying… it’s that we don’t regard those things as sound reasoning for the appointment of a coach via a proper process at a professional football club.

He’s welcome to go away and do more assistant coaching or other roles and leadership courses and tour NFL sides and whatever it is people do when they want to be the best candidate for a job like this.

Once he’s done that, I’m sure most Essendon supporters would welcome him back. But he hasn’t, not yet.
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I don't agree with everything Daisy is saying at all.

I think the idea that membership would increase on his return is fraught and frankly a complete misreading of the prevailing mood among a lot of the supporter base. The idea that the club would lift up through a magic alchemy of passion and bleeding for Essendon is what led to him being appointed in 2010, and that didn't turn out so well ultimately. Many have not forgotten this. It's now 12 years on and if you reckon Essendon fans were apathetic and not happy with the club then, it's a whole other level now.

The club has been garbage for 20 years now and people are sick of it, and for every diehard who is cockahoop with a Hird return, my bet is there would be just as many if not more who would look at the whole business as just the latest culmination of Essendon the club with its head planted firmly where the sun doesn't shine.

Some of the rationale I'm reading here from a couple posters may as well have been posts lifted from 2010 - the arguments are exactly the same.
 
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Doss said:
I don't agree with everything Daisy is saying at all.

I think the idea that membership would increase on his return is fraught and frankly a completely misreading of the prevailing mood among a lot of the supporter base. The idea that the club would lift up through a magic alchemy of passion and bleeding for Essendon is what led to him being appointed in 2010, and that didn't turn out so well ultimately. Many have not forgotten this. It's now 12 years on and if you reckon Essendon fans were apathetic and not happy with the club then, it's a whole other level now.

The club has been garbage for 20 years now and people are sick of it, and for every diehard who is cockahoop with a Hird return, my bet is there would be just as many if not more who would look at the whole business as just the latest culmination of Essendon the club with its head planted firmly where the sun doesn't shine.

Some of the rationale I'm reading here from a couple posters may as well have been posts lifted from 2010 - the arguments are exactly the same.
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I think I addressed this point once before, in saying that they’d probably lose 20,000 hardcore members and gain 50,000 bandwagoners.

The level of nuffy in the broader supporter base who haven’t ridden every bump as we do on here are surprisingly receptive to the bring back Hird brigade.

Many of them also still worship Sheedy.

It’s a strange phenomenon.

That said I’ll own that I didn’t read the granular detail of the other post. Didn’t seem necessary.
 
Lore said:
It’s not that we don’t agree with everything you’re saying… it’s that we don’t regard those things as sound reasoning for the appointment of a coach via a proper process at a professional football club.

He’s welcome to go away and do more assistant coaching or other roles and leadership courses and tour NFL sides and whatever it is people do when they want to be the best candidate for a job like this.

Once he’s done that, I’m dos notsure most Essendon supporters would welcome him back. But he hasn’t, not yet.
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Well if you don't regard those things above as positive attributes for a candidate not sure what I am missing .......don't complain when we employ yet another untried coach and it does not work out and they are sacked again in panic in 2 years time...you do realise that there is shite left in the coaching pool? I have also never said that James should not go through the process, absolutely he should. But when i see the very fast depleting list of choices.....future is not bright. Give Jim 5 years, let him have the actual time to form relationships and get a game plan together without threat.
 
Albertross said:
JH wouldn't put his hat in the ring if he or his family didn't think he was mentally up to it.

I never listen to podcasts, but I listened to the JH one with Howie. Flame me all you want, but he is as good an option as anyone else that is reported for wanting the job.

This is more than just a job for him, he bleeds black and red. He wants redemption for the 34, who were banned through no fault of their own. Blame him as much as you want, but there were those up in higher positions that didn't cop the scrutiny that he copped.

IMO, he will galvanize the playing group and the club as he did 10 years ago, with a bit more scepticism and maturity.

If the process fairly recommended JH as the way to lead us forward, I am all in. * what the wider AFL supporter base or community thinks. They are hurling insults right, left and center as it is.
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How is as good an option as anyone? He’s been in a coaching box for 3 months out of the last 6 years. That’s a ridiculous statement, there’s many who have done their time consistently in the afl system far more qualified than James.

Redemption for the 34? They’re lucky to be like 3 people left from the 34?? Which is my point, it’s living in the past. Nearly everyone on that list wasn’t even at the club when the saga happened, talk about galvanising them, they don’t have that connection to hirdy that 34 had. Its a broken record that’s playing the same movie over again.

Honestly if he went through a proper process and they said he’s the best avaliable then of course everyone would get behind him.. but he will never be selected under a proper process. It will only happen as a messiah acquisition clutching on the heart strings of the Essendon heirachy. As such I can’t see it happening and im not advocating for it.

Onwards and upwards gents - time to move on
 
Daisy..1 said:
Well if you don't regard those things above as positive attributes for a candidate not sure what I am missing .......don't complain when we employ yet another untried coach and it does not work out and they are sacked again in panic in 2 years time...you do realise that there is shite left in the coaching pool? I have also never said that James should not go through the process, absolutely he should. But when i see the very fast depleting list of choices.....future is not bright. Give Jim 5 years, let him have the actual time to form relationships and get a game plan together without threat.
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If the club is that broken that only James Hird can patch over the cracks then it’s irreparable and should fold.
 
Doss said:
I don't agree with everything Daisy is saying at all.

I think the idea that membership would increase on his return is fraught and frankly a completely misreading of the prevailing mood among a lot of the supporter base. The idea that the club would lift up through a magic alchemy of passion and bleeding for Essendon is what led to him being appointed in 2010, and that didn't turn out so well ultimately. Many have not forgotten this. It's now 12 years on and if you reckon Essendon fans were apathetic and not happy with the club then, it's a whole other level now.

The club has been garbage for 20 years now and people are sick of it, and for every diehard who is cockahoop with a Hird return, my bet is there would be just as many if not more who would look at the whole business as just the latest culmination of Essendon the club with its head planted firmly where the sun doesn't shine.

Some of the rationale I'm reading here from a couple posters may as well have been posts lifted from 2010 - the arguments are exactly the same.
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So it must have been Collingwood supporters going absolute nuts at the 150th game then? Were you there to hear the ovation???
 
Daisy..1 said:
So it must have been Collingwood supporters going absolute nuts at the 150th game then? Were you there to hear the ovation???
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Lore said:
Last I checked Barty and Kyrgios haven’t applied for the senior coaching role at Essendon and even if they did — regardless of whether their resumes were from three years ago or today — they wouldn’t be the best candidate in a well run process.

I don’t care if it’s John Farnham, the Queen, Nelson Mandela or Tom Brady.

If you took the name off the top of the resume you wouldn’t add it to the short list for a coaching job. And therein lies the problem.
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Can't quite get your head around what I am referring to there Lore?
 
footyfanatic111 said:
How is as good an option as anyone? He’s been in a coaching box for 3 months out of the last 6 years. That’s a ridiculous statement, there’s many who have done their time consistently in the afl system far more qualified than James.

Redemption for the 34? They’re lucky to be like 3 people left from the 34?? Which is my point, it’s living in the past. Nearly everyone on that list wasn’t even at the club when the saga happened, talk about galvanising them, they don’t have that connection to hirdy that 34 had. Its a broken record that’s playing the same movie over again.

Honestly if he went through a proper process and they said he’s the best avaliable then of course everyone would get behind him.. but he will never be selected under a proper process. It will only happen as a messiah acquisition clutching on the heart strings of the Essendon heirachy. As such I can’t see it happening and im not advocating for it.

Onwards and upwards gents - time to move on
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Great points made here, there seems to be on this forum that JH will turn the organisation around. I beg to differ we require a well rounded coach who has had good experiences and they don't always have to be winning seasons. Someone who's has endured some challenges, but been able to keep the environment connected. EFC currently is disconnected from top to bottom, and it filters through the playing group and the standards they apply. Our leadership on & off the field is not at the standard required to have any success.
 
footyfanatic111 said:
How is as good an option as anyone? He’s been in a coaching box for 3 months out of the last 6 years. That’s a ridiculous statement, there’s many who have done their time consistently in the afl system far more qualified than James.

Redemption for the 34? They’re lucky to be like 3 people left from the 34?? Which is my point, it’s living in the past. Nearly everyone on that list wasn’t even at the club when the saga happened, talk about galvanising them, they don’t have that connection to hirdy that 34 had. Its a broken record that’s playing the same movie over again.
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Honestly if he went through a proper process and they said he’s the best avaliable then of course everyone would get behind him.. but he will never be selected under a proper process. It will only happen as a messiah acquisition clutching on the heart strings of the Essendon heirachy. As such I can’t see it happening and im not advocating for it.

Onwards and upwards gents - time to move on
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Onwards and upwards.......ha! You really think they/EFC are suddenly going to get it right this time? Now they will become fearful of who hey appoint just in case it upsets someone......like the media. I don't know, following this team has made me mentally tough.....and I would delight in the Hird return backlash! BRING IT ON!
 
smithytwenty26 said:
Great points made here, there seems to be on this forum that JH will turn the organisation around. I beg to differ we require a well rounded coach who has had good experiences and they don't always have to be winning seasons. Someone who's has endured some challenges, but been able to keep the environment connected. EFC currently is disconnected from top to bottom, and it filters through the playing group and the standards they apply. Our leadership on & off the field is not at the standard required to have any success.
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Who is that Great Messiah then Smithy? Is it the elusive "someone else" people on here are voting for on this thread?
 
Daisy..1 said:
Well if you don't regard those things above as positive attributes for a candidate not sure what I am missing .......don't complain when we employ yet another untried coach and it does not work out and they are sacked again in panic in 2 years time...you do realise that there is shite left in the coaching pool? I have also never said that James should not go through the process, absolutely he should. But when i see the very fast depleting list of choices.....future is not bright. Give Jim 5 years, let him have the actual time to form relationships and get a game plan together without threat.
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If Hird had some more time as an assistant I would be warm to the idea of him coaching. I think he has the smarts to be a good coach, just think he needs soe outside experience. Maybe not purely tacticly,but just working within a clubs coaching. That I think was part of his issue last time trusted other people were doing their jobs Some of that should be management above him.
 
andleanback said:
That’s very different to him being announced as essendons senior Coach 🤣🤣
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I bet you would be one of those that if he came back and was successful you would say " I ALWAYS WANTED HIM" much like the Lyon supporters on here that as soon as he said NOT INTERESTED....OOOh Never wanted him anyway...... Now all on YZE (untried)...he will be signed up and not to us within a week....You think any untried coach from the outside will put their hand up with our History? Its Snr Coaching potential suicide......Someone on here give me a true recommendation of who we should be after and why?
 
DonsRule said:
If Hird had some more time as an assistant I would be warm to the idea of him coaching. I think he has the smarts to be a good coach, just think he needs soe outside experience. Maybe not purely tacticly,but just working within a clubs coaching. That I think was part of his issue last time trusted other people were doing their jobs Some of that should be management above him.
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I think the role of Coach should be that solely and not be in charge of overseeing other departments.
 
Daisy..1 said:
I bet you would be one of those that if he came back and was successful you would say " I ALWAYS WANTED HIM" much like the Lyon supporters on here that as soon as he said NOT INTERESTED....OOOh Never wanted him anyway...... Now all on YZE (untried)...he will be signed up and not to us within a week....You think any untried coach from the outside will put their hand up with our History? Its Snr Coaching potential suicide......Someone on here give me a true recommendation of who we should be after and why?
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There are 70+ pages of posts here, chock full of people saying who they want. Seems to me like you just don't like any of those answers, except one.
 
Daisy..1 said:
Onwards and upwards.......ha! You really think they/EFC are suddenly going to get it right this time? Now they will become fearful of who hey appoint just in case it upsets someone......like the media. I don't know, following this team has made me mentally tough.....and I would delight in the Hird return backlash! BRING IT ON!
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For the first time in a long I finally feel like they are doing it right and going through a proper process. Yeah it’s been messy and could have been handled better but a necessary evil nonetheless. Appointing hird would undermine all the tough decisions that have been made so far.
We get it, your dreaming of the blonde haired brownlow and premiership medalist of his glory days coming back to be essendon’s saviour. But i feel your living in fantasy land unfortunately, too scared to wake up.
Anywho it’s your dream, who am I to crush it 👍🏽 Just don’t be too upset when he’s not appointed
 
Let's have a serious look at Hird's coaching record.

In 2011 he managed to scrape into finals by winning 11 games off the back of a soft draw in a side that conceded a goal 28.44% of the time it entered defensive 50 (4th worst in the AFL) to get smashed by our arch rivals in the first week of finals.
In 2012, take away the drug stuff, we finished 11-11 and conceded a goal 25.56% of the time it entered our defensive 50, which is better but it's still really bad for the modern game, missed finals after falling in a hole, losing 8 of the last 9 games by an average of 9 goals.
In 2013 obviously the drug stuff broke. However, let's look at the crucial area here again, the defence. Conceded a goal 26.15% of the time it entered defensive 50. Lost 5 of the last 6 by an average of 9 goals again.
When he returned in 2015 we were crap again, and conceded a goal 25.72% of the time it entered defensive 50. Won 2 games after round 9, andaverage losing margin of 8 goals.

James Hird was an average coach. That, combined with all the baggage that comes with it... Why would you do it?
 
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