Coach Who should be our next coach?

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15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney (GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis
7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon, Brendon Lade, Adem Yze interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9
 
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Lore said:
Last I checked Barty and Kyrgios haven’t applied for the senior coaching role at Essendon and even if they did — regardless of whether their resumes were from three years ago or today — they wouldn’t be the best candidate in a well run process.

I don’t care if it’s John Farnham, the Queen, Nelson Mandela or Tom Brady.

If you took the name off the top of the resume you wouldn’t add it to the short list for a coaching job. And therein lies the problem.
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Queen
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
There is definitely elements of that, but at times there is the opposite that goes on that ignores the skills and qualities he showed as a coach, attributing every win to Bomber and every bad thing to Hird.

I’ll lay my cards on the table. I think for the vast majority of people that they can get all the experience in the world and never be a great coach. You can’t teach some things. Hird has what you need to be a great coach combined with experience that most legend coaches don’t have due to the unique circumstances.

The reason I want him to get more experience elsewhere is simply to show he’s prepared to put in the work and not be treated like a special case. That he’s willing to do (cough) whatever it takes to build the resume to get a senior position. I don’t think he really lacks in anything I’d worry about tactically, motivationally, relationship wise etc that the experience would help much. But for Essendon, we must stay this new course and start to follow professional methods and mature processes and remain patient.

If Hird wants the job at Essendon, he needs to show he can be the best candidate that will win in a fair fight using those processes.
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I agree. If Hird had been an assistant for the last few years and did all the accreditation then I'd have no problem with him throwing his hat in the ring for the job. Then if he went through the process of interviews etc and was chosen as the best candidate I'd be happy to accept him as coach. But at this moment he's such an unknown quantity, and if he's chosen it'd be more for his charm than his coaching ability.
 

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Has Justin Leppitsch been asked to apply?

His CV is as impressive as anyone else left.
Premiership assistant at Richmond
Currently an assistant at the Pies.
 
Foxx said:
Has Justin Leppitsch been asked to apply?

His CV is as impressive as anyone else left.
Premiership assistant at Richmond
Currently an assistant at the Pies.
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14 wins in 66 games as a senior coach
 
I think the argument about being out of the game for so long shouldn't hold as much merit on here as it does. It's not like the guy hasn't watched a game of footy for 7 years. I don't think anyone on this board has worked in clubland and if they have i doubt its been for a while but certain people like ant555 for example, i think have incredible insight and knowledge into how the game is played. Do you need to be in clubland to have that?

For the record, I don't think he should be our next coach but it's not because of the above.
 
Foxx said:
That was 8 years ago.
He's been under successful programs ever since.
I'm sure he'd be better the second time around. Similar to Voss.
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Voss at least had a small amount of success when he was coach the first time. And last I checked, Carlton missed the 8 this year so I wouldn't call Voss a definite success at this point.

I'm not denying that he's an excellent assistant coach but he was demonstrably poor as a senior coach. Guys with that sort of record don't get a second chance.
 
eth-dog said:
14 wins in 66 games as a senior coach
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He got the Rutten treatment though from the club. Had to deal with the 'go home 5'in his first year, and the footy department was a mess. Not to mention they bottomed out right when GWS and Gold Coast had a huge share of early picks due to concessions.
The year they sacked him they spilled the board, cleaned out the footy department and recruiting and got their act together with Fagan/David Noble.

Look at what he has done at stable environments at Richmond and Collingwood to know his worth.
 
TheGrizz said:
He got the Rutten treatment though from the club. Had to deal with the 'go home 5'in his first year, and the footy department was a mess. Not to mention they bottomed out right when GWS and Gold Coast had a huge share of early picks due to concessions.
The year they sacked him they spilled the board, cleaned out the footy department and recruiting and got their act together with Fagan/David Noble.

Look at what he has done at stable environments at Richmond and Collingwood to know his worth.
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That doesn't show his worth. It shows he is a good assistant coach like so many are. Does not translate to him making it as a senior coach.
 
TheGrizz said:
He got the Rutten treatment though from the club. Had to deal with the 'go home 5'in his first year, and the footy department was a mess. Not to mention they bottomed out right when GWS and Gold Coast had a huge share of early picks due to concessions.
The year they sacked him they spilled the board, cleaned out the footy department and recruiting and got their act together with Fagan/David Noble.

Look at what he has done at stable environments at Richmond and Collingwood to know his worth.
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Again, I won't deny that he's a great assistant coach and if we bring him in as that I will have absolutely no objections.

However, as I said above, people with that sort of record don't get a second chance.
 
Nifft said:
I agree. If Hird had been an assistant for the last few years and did all the accreditation then I'd have no problem with him throwing his hat in the ring for the job. Then if he went through the process of interviews etc and was chosen as the best candidate I'd be happy to accept him as coach. But at this moment he's such an unknown quantity, and if he's chosen it'd be more for his charm than his coaching ability.
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Not quite what I'm saying (although I respect your opinion). I'm saying I don't question his coaching ability, but we are not a club in a position to skip processes and give jobs to the boys and therefore his resume doesn't stack up in a proper recruitment process compared with others.
 

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Mr Mojo Risin said:
There is definitely elements of that, but at times there is the opposite that goes on that ignores the skills and qualities he showed as a coach, attributing every win to Bomber and every bad thing to Hird.

I’ll lay my cards on the table. I think for the vast majority of people that they can get all the experience in the world and never be a great coach. You can’t teach some things. Hird has what you need to be a great coach combined with experience that most legend coaches don’t have due to the unique circumstances.

The reason I want him to get more experience elsewhere is simply to show he’s prepared to put in the work and not be treated like a special case. That he’s willing to do (cough) whatever it takes to build the resume to get a senior position. I don’t think he really lacks in anything I’d worry about tactically, motivationally, relationship wise etc that the experience would help much. But for Essendon, we must stay this new course and start to follow professional methods and mature processes and remain patient.

If Hird wants the job at Essendon, he needs to show he can be the best candidate that will win in a fair fight using those processes.
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I really appreciate your position and agree with you. Ideally, I would have liked Hird to have more time to rebuild that resume.

I don't believe we should have sacked Rutten and I think he should have been given one more year. If we were to go for Clarkson we should have done so earlier to give us a fair chance, but the last minute play was a ill-advised move.

The only reason why I support Hird now is I feel he is a better candidate than those currently available to us now. But I would have been happy with Clarkson and I would have been happy to give Rutten more time.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Hird has what you need to be a great coach
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Does he though?

He's got limited actual coaching experience, showed limited game plan and system when he did coach, had an OK-but-not-great record but a team that was defensively poor.

He's a good speaker in the media, players did appear to like him and be willing to play for him, and he certainly has 'gravitas' but that's as much about what made him a good Captain as it is anything else.

Nothing from Hird demonstrated he's a great coach to me at the time. Add that he's done 6 months coaching experience in seven years, and then, finally, the whole 'blowing up the football club and getting the players suspended' part.

No.
 
owen87 said:
Does he though?

He's got limited actual coaching experience, showed limited game plan and system when he did coach, had an OK-but-not-great record but a team that was defensively poor.

He's a good speaker in the media, players did appear to like him and be willing to play for him, and he certainly has 'gravitas' but that's as much about what made him a good Captain as it is anything else.

Nothing from Hird demonstrated he's a great coach to me at the time. Add that he's done 6 months coaching experience in seven years, and then, finally, the whole 'blowing up the football club and getting the players suspended' part.

No.
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That's all fine, I disagree.
 
owen87 said:
Does he though?

He's got limited actual coaching experience, showed limited game plan and system when he did coach, had an OK-but-not-great record but a team that was defensively poor.

He's a good speaker in the media, players did appear to like him and be willing to play for him, and he certainly has 'gravitas' but that's as much about what made him a good Captain as it is anything else.

Nothing from Hird demonstrated he's a great coach to me at the time. Add that he's done 6 months coaching experience in seven years, and then, finally, the whole 'blowing up the football club and getting the players suspended' part.

No.
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He lead the team in 2013 to 14 wins and 7 losses which is our best result since 2001. Bomber Thompson lead the same team to less in 2014. Worsfold had arguably a better list and did not achieve better results.

When looking at the other candidates available to us, I feel they are a downgrade on Rutten.
 
eth-dog said:
Jaymie Graham's CV actually stacks up pretty well. Development coach at St. Kilda under Ross for 2 years in 2012/13, not sure where he was in 2014/15 because there seems to be a gap there in the timeline I've read, but was at West Coast from 2016 through to 2021, doing a mix of reserves coaching (in 2016 where they were affiliated with East Perth), forward line (2017-2019, when they had the best forward line in the AFL) and defence in 2020/21. He's the forwards coach of Freo this year which has had a marked improvement on the last couple of years.

Feel like he's a genuinely good option.
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I'm starting to move towards Jaymie Graham as my preferred coach. To add to the above, he was apparently at West Coast as a "forwards development coach" in 2014 and 2015, which is right around the time Jamie Cripps became a very good half forward, Josh Kennedy had claims to being the second best forward in the game, unfortunately Darling was injured for most of those two years, but hell, Josh Hill kicked 40 goals in a year back then.

Really feel like he could get guys like Jones and Baldwin to take the next step and even hopefully get Stringer a lot more consistent.
 
Xyle01 said:
I really appreciate your position and agree with you. Ideally, I would have liked Hird to have more time to rebuild that resume.

I don't believe we should have sacked Rutten and I think he should have been given one more year. If we were to go for Clarkson we should have done so earlier to give us a fair chance, but the last minute play was a ill-advised move.

The only reason why I support Hird now is I feel he is a better candidate than those currently available to us now. But I would have been happy with Clarkson and I would have been happy to give Rutten more time.
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I don't believe we should have sacked Rutten either.

Now we have I don't know if Hird is the best candidate, because I don't know enough about the others.

I simply know that if we don't start running the club professionally that it's unlikely to matter who's coach and I don't see Hird winning a proper process because of the reasons we've all discussed.

So I'm in a position where I hope the next coach does well and at the same time if Hird wants to coach he needs to be 100% in as an assistant elsewhere. If he does and our next coach doesn't work out, then apply for our job at that time.
 
Xyle01 said:
He lead the team in 2013 to 14 wins and 7 losses which is our best result since 2001. Bomber Thompson lead the same team to less in 2014. Worsfold had arguably a better list and did not achieve better results.

When looking at the other candidates available to us, I feel they are a downgrade on Rutten.
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We clearly differ significantly on what we think makes for a qualified candidate.

If you looked at Hird's resume without the name "James Hird" on it, he isn't anywhere near being ahead of guys like Yze or Graham.
 
owen87 said:
We clearly differ significantly on what we think makes for a qualified candidate.

If you looked at Hird's resume without the name "James Hird" on it, he isn't anywhere near being ahead of guys like Yze or Graham.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but to play devil's advocate, how many wins as senior coach has Yze or Graham had?

Have they shown they can galvanise a team to perform under extreme pressure?

Have they shown they can handle pressure from the media?

What gets ignored is Hird's advantage on his resume over untried assistants.

Again, I don't think we should go out and hire Hird either because of the reasons I've stated, but don't ignore the advantages Hird has in his resume over those who have never been senior coach before.
 
I certainly get the concept that more experience working under different coaches and different clubs would be beneficial.

But on a more general note, having been involved in quite a few interviews, reading applications, CV's etc.. How a person's resume/CV reads can be very misleading. Certainly not selecting someone/ruling someone out because their CV on paper looks more/less impressive.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but to play devil's advocate, how many wins as senior coach has Yze or Graham had?

Have they shown they can galvanise a team to perform under extreme pressure?

Have they shown they can handle pressure from the media?

What gets ignored is Hird's advantage on his resume over untried assistants.

Again, I don't think we should go out and hire Hird either because of the reasons I've stated, but don't ignore the advantages Hird has in his resume over those who have never been senior coach before.
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I couldn't really care less how a coach presents in the media, it's pretty irrelevant.

Getting players to go out and play for you is nice, but modern football requires system based gameplay. Hird hasn't demonstrated he can do that, and hasn't had any relevant experience in seven years that would suggest he's learned how to do that.

Meanwhile Yze has worked at two clubs during Premiership years, including time spent under one of the greatest AFL coaches of all time.

Graham has extensive experience at three AFL clubs, with very distinct playstyles, and appears to be a key part of why the Eagles had the best functioning forwardline in the AFL for years.

Hird has 'being James Hird' as his main qualification.
 
cAsEy_18 said:
I certainly get the concept that more experience working under different coaches and different clubs would be beneficial.

But on a more general note, having been involved in quite a few interviews, reading applications, CV's etc.. How a person's resume/CV reads can be very misleading. Certainly not selecting someone/ruling someone out because their CV on paper looks more/less impressive.
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Exactly. A resume is not everything. Experience is not everything.

I interview many people every year and manage quite a few staff in quite a few cities in my business, which is in a professional field. This year I hired someone with a more impressive CV and more experience than all of my graduate staff, and he has turned out to be the least competent employee I have hired in 17 years. He had people with 2 months experience fixing his work and assisting him when he had 7 years of experience in the same job. I had to terminate him after only a month.

I actually have faith that James Hird might perform well in our process simply because of the way the process has been laid out. If he can present to the panel how he would do things and what his plans would be, he may very well be able to prove he is the best candidate for the position.
 
owen87 said:
Hird has 'being James Hird' as his main qualification.
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You keep throwing this out there as if he only has his name because he is royalty of some kind. He made his own name through his achievements and the person he is, not just because he was a great player. We have had many great players in this club, but James Hird obtained his stature because of his intelligence, the way he conducts himself and the way communicates with people and the broader public.
 
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