Coach Who should be our next coach?

[Lore]

Spoiler: Timeline and reported candidates

15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten

Ben Rutten

Age

41

Ht

190cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.4

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.0

3star

sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney

Josh Mahoney

Age

47

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

(GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis

Jordan Lewis

Age

38

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

310.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

5star

7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon

Dean Solomon

Age

44

Ht

189cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

17.6

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

2.8

5star

, Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

48

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

, Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

47

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa

Daniel Giansiracusa

Age

42

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.6

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

47

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella

Blake Caracella

Age

47

Ht

186cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.6

3star

will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

48

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9

 

[boncer34]

I think we should see what Peverill is up to.

 

[Chief Hopper]

If there is one win we can have from the clubs process in getting a new coach is that we have dodged a bullet with Lyon.

Better him being weeded out now and revealing what a massive muppet he is.

 

[faible]

I think we should see what Peverill is up to.

Walks his dog around moonee ponds from time to time. Not sure of other sightings.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Exactly. A resume is not everything. Experience is not everything.

I interview many people every year and manage quite a few staff in quite a few cities in my business, which is in a professional field. This year I hired someone with a more impressive CV and more experience than all of my graduate staff, and he has turned out to be the least competent employee I have hired in 17 years. He had people with 2 months experience fixing his work and assisting him when he had 7 years of experience in the same job. I had to terminate him after only a month.

I actually have faith that James Hird might perform well in our process simply because of the way the process has been laid out. If he can present to the panel how he would do things and what his plans would be, he may very well be able to prove he is the best candidate for the position.

It can happen, but it doesn't tend to happen very often. Hence why CVs are a thing and we generally don't just hire grads into senior roles willy nilly

 

[Old Campaigner]

Damian barrett is a deadset bell end when it comes to essendon. What ever they choose to do, he will criticize it no matter what

 

[CBombers17]

James hird the player developed - because - of who is as a person. And I knew him from all his junior days and also how he was subsequently spoken of while he was in his first couple of years at the club - when he was nobody (another mate who came through with us went to Essendon as well a year later for a preseaon) where HIrd was a clear leader on the track from the beginning (and Timmy spent a lot of time walking around the with his shirt off but that's another story)

Anyone who thinks being a gun at Essendon made Hird who he is is kidding themselves IMO. Hird is a leader. If he didn't play football he'd still be a leader. It's just how some people are.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Not into it one way or another .. just want the best option appointed

But I want to make the point that the process to select the coach is more than just a review of CVs. Candidates need to spell out their vision for the club, their methods and their take on where footy is headed.

We have a panel that is as external and independent as can be expected. Surely people accept that the best candidate wins. Anything else is a conspiracy theory.

I don’t expect Hird will be successful but if he somehow is, it blows my mind that the “20,000 non-nuffy supporters” will burn their memberships in protest.

Newsflash - you aren’t as ITK as you think you are. You’re not in the room hearing the presentations and truly understanding what the candidates can offer.

To win the job Hird would have to overcome his lack of recent experience. That would mean he must have laid out an incredibly compelling vision to a pretty damn skeptical Lewis and Walls.

Can’t see it happening but I do find something about the “burn my membership” brigade really off. I’d understand that reaction if Hird was a direct appointment.. but in the current circumstances just let the process happen FFS.

Personally I would just like the process to play out in an unbiased and competent manner.

My issue with Hird being the eventual outcome is that I see the odds of a guy who:
- has a mediocre at best record as senior coach
- has been out of the game for 8 years
- has 2 months of part time coaching experience since he was last involved in AFL
- has more baggage the rest of the field put together
being the very best senior coaching candidate the entire AFL system has to offer at the present time to be extremely remote.

It's not impossible, but the chances I think are slim and I can't actually think of what the club would need to do or say to convince me that a process which identified Hird as the best coach was both fair and competent. I'd probably just switch off until the club demonstrated through it's actions (such winning games) that it had actually made the correct choice.

Regardless of Hird's supposed attributes of building relationships or whatever, the other candidates are going to be skilled in that area too - you don't survive that long as an assistant coach in good clubs without that ability.

In saying that, I've mentioned before that Hird returning as coach might be a good thing for us long term even if he's not the best option because it really would be hitting rock bottom and digging past the moho discontinuity. It would utterly ruin the reputations of the powerbrokers who have been angling to get him back and might finally snap the fanbase out of the messiah complex. That might be what it takes to give the club the clean air to actually make competent decisions for a change.

 

[Happyskeret]

 

[doug85]

This will make some of you happy. I DGAF

 

[Yoda_]

This will make some of you happy. I DGAF

hasn't every major news outlet been running with Leon being interested in our coaching job?

 

[doug85]

hasn't every major news outlet been running with Leon being interested in our coaching job?

Maybe they’ve all been speculating (AKA full of shit).

 

[Vander18]

We clearly differ significantly on what we think makes for a qualified candidate.

If you looked at Hird's resume without the name "James Hird" on it, he isn't anywhere near being ahead of guys like Yze or Graham.

Well yes and no.

From a footy perspective, sure. Although Hird has coached, with some success, at senior level and they have not. But I take your point.

On the flip side, Hird has a highly, highly accomplished non-footy resume. I’d be stunned if any of the other candidates are even close to his level of business and educational accomplishment.That’s not irrelevant, it’s a consideration.

When you watch Leon Cameron melting in that doco, you realise he’s just not in the same ball park….Hird is just a higher caliber human being (couldn’t think of a better way to phrase it). Leppitsch is nowhere near him. Graham and Yza are unknown to me.

That’s part of Hirds strange allure, for me at least….you just know that in almost every other aspect of life he’d likely do better than these people. So it’s a struggle to remind yourself of the very good reasons he probably shouldn’t coach again.

 

[boncer34]

Well yes and no.

From a footy perspective, sure. Although Hird has coached, with some success, at senior level and they have not. But I take your point.

On the flip side, Hird has a highly, highly accomplished non-footy resume. I’d be stunned if any of the other candidates are even close to his level of business and educational accomplishment.That’s not irrelevant, it’s a consideration.

When you watch Leon Cameron melting in that doco, you realise he’s just not in the same ball park….Hird is just a higher caliber human being (couldn’t think of a better way to phrase it). Leppitsch is nowhere near him. Graham and Yza are unknown to me.

That’s part of Hirds strange allure, for me at least….you just know that in almost every other aspect of life he’d likely do better than these people. So it’s a struggle to remind yourself of the very good reasons he probably shouldn’t coach again.

What business accomplishment?

 

[Lore]

This will make some of you happy. I DGAF

hasn't every major news outlet been running with Leon being interested in our coaching job?

Maybe they’ve all been speculating (AKA full of s**t).

He’s been heavily linked to Sydney’s head of academy role and has a kid doing Year 12 in NSW.

I think he entertained the idea for a hot second but the media running heavily with it is not in evidence and mostly unfounded besides the fact he hadn’t explicitly ruled it out.

The media are a bunch of bandwagoners looking for cheap clicks but they know nothing.

 

[The Prosecutor]

 

[Victor harbor]

good news.

 

[Lore]

Yze interested, Scott still considering, per Tom Browne on the TV (as opposed to the tweet above).

 

[footyfanatic111]

Would welcome it!

But it’s also come from Tom Browne..
The same bloke who said Clarkson was $1.05 to the bombers
And that Leon Cameron is seriously interested only to be ruled out next day.
He probably has NFI

 

[justlookingaround]

An impressive wining record with a highly salary constrained North.

Genuinely unsure what this sentence means

 

[Eleven 38]

Genuinely unsure what this sentence means

Most likely means tom browne struggles without the teleprompter.

 

[DallasCrane316]

Genuinely unsure what this sentence means

I’m guessing he meant - North are poor and he still managed to get wins from a team that had no money to get decent players

 

[Mootsy]

 

[isthisit13]

Sure, but i have also heard the phrase 'stupid is as stupid does'

which is what would aptly define us if our 'process' somehow spits out Hird as the most credentialled candidate over guys with more experience than 6 months of FIFO assistant coaching on the weekend since 2015.

Love Hirdy, but he isn't the answer.

So Essendon would be stupid if the process that's made up of 2 Essendon (out of 6) people came to the conclusion that he was the best candidate?

 

[Lore]

So Essendon would be stupid if the process that's made up of 2 Essendon people came to the conclusion that he was the best candidate?

Sauce?

 

[dank420_]

Scotty. My boy.