Coach Who should be our next coach?

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15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney (GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis
7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon, Brendon Lade, Adem Yze interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9
 
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Bowakawa said:
he somehow isn't
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owen87 said:
If you think you believe in Hird because of nothing to do with his playing career, then you're lying to yourself. It's quite simple.

James Hird is who he is because of his on-field performances. Everything about Hird stems from the player Hird was.
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I would disagree. He has a certain persona about him that is special, you can tell he's a leader. He inspires people, which is probably why he was such a great captain, and why the team played for him when he was coach.

As I've said before though I don't think he should be coach because he just hasn't done enough coaching over the last few years, which makes him an unknown quantity. I don't think we can afford to take a risk on him at this point.
 
I don't hate the idea of Brad Scott. He's a whinging Scott brother but he did well with the shit he had at Norf. He also wouldn't be a push over. Seems to have good relationship building skills for buy in. Also having spent time in AFL house can only be a good thing having a coach who is in good with the HQ. Out of the previously tried coaches still out there he'd probably be my pick. An Yze/Williams combo would be good too.
 

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thepokey said:
I don't hate the idea of Brad Scott. He's a whinging Scott brother but he did well with the s**t he had at Norf. He also wouldn't be a push over. Seems to have good relationship building skills for buy in. Also having spent time in AFL house can only be a good thing having a coach who is in good with the HQ. Out of the previously tried coaches still out there he'd probably be my pick. An Yze/Williams combo would be good too.
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I think the whinging works in getting their way with the umps. Just don't watch the press conferences.
 
Yoda_ said:
hasn't every major news outlet been running with Leon being interested in our coaching job?
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Not really. They asked him a few weeks back and he said unlikely but had not ruled it out.
 
Schnitzengruben said:
Do like the idea of Scott. He or Pyke would be my first choices.
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Brad Scott maybe. He had some decent years at North before they bungled the list build / list top up.
Pyke was a good coach. Just made one bad error which was not totally over the exact details of how the camp would be conducted.
 
ant555 said:
Brad Scott maybe. He had some decent years at North before they bungled the list build / list top up.
Pyke was a good coach. Just made one bad error which was not totally over the exact details of how the camp would be conducted.
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The list bungle happened because he'd been coach for 6-7 years, you try to top up with whoever you can get, and most of the time it never works. It still happens all the time though.

No coach is going to get extended if they say after 7 years with no flags we need a rebuild. So they just won't say it.

I don't think I'd take any credit off him for that.
 
Vander18 said:
Well yes and no.

From a footy perspective, sure. Although Hird has coached, with some success, at senior level and they have not. But I take your point.

On the flip side, Hird has a highly, highly accomplished non-footy resume. I’d be stunned if any of the other candidates are even close to his level of business and educational accomplishment.That’s not irrelevant, it’s a consideration.

When you watch Leon Cameron melting in that doco, you realise he’s just not in the same ball park….Hird is just a higher caliber human being (couldn’t think of a better way to phrase it). Leppitsch is nowhere near him. Graham and Yza are unknown to me.

That’s part of Hirds strange allure, for me at least….you just know that in almost every other aspect of life he’d likely do better than these people. So it’s a struggle to remind yourself of the very good reasons he probably shouldn’t coach again.
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The same Hird that would just walk past supporters at Windy Hill like they where not there and not even acknowledge them ?

Cameron is out but I agree with Roco on this .
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Not saying Hird is not a good person but everyone can have periods where they are not at their best under trying circumstances .
 
isthisit13 said:
I'm referring to the coaching selection panel. Mahoney and Dorothy Hisgrove
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Mahoney is hardly an Essendon person. He is the bloke trying to change the recent Essendon culture.
 
Eleven 38 said:
The list bungle happened because he'd been coach for 6-7 years, you try to top up with whoever you can get, and most of the time it never works. It still happens all the time though.

No coach is going to get extended if they say after 7 years with no flags we need a rebuild. So they just won't say it.

I don't think I'd take any credit off him for that.
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It was a bit messy and there was a real disconnect with what they had planed and then how they changed ideals after setting down one path.
At the end of the day all coaches make mistakes at various stages. Clarkson set the Hawks back maybe 4 or 5 years by insisting they top up rather than using top end draft picks. His actions also cost them Wright who is now doing a good job at The Pies.

I would say in general all coaches will admit they would do things differently if they had their time again so you should not hang them based on one particular aspect of their career. Even Hird knows how he would do it differently.
 
thepokey said:
I don't hate the idea of Brad Scott. He's a whinging Scott brother but he did well with the s**t he had at Norf. He also wouldn't be a push over. Seems to have good relationship building skills for buy in. Also having spent time in AFL house can only be a good thing having a coach who is in good with the HQ. Out of the previously tried coaches still out there he'd probably be my pick. An Yze/Williams combo would be good too.
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I have no issue with a coach who's willing to comment when the umpiring has been blatantly shite to our disadvantage, or when the AFL's decisions are unfair. I'd prefer that than quiet complacency. It would actually be refreshing.
 
HirdyLannister said:
Brad Scott is a possibility?

* yes, better than his brother and managed to get a s**t house norf list into final contention
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Not so sure I’d go so far as to say he’s better than his brother but I think Brad Scott is criminally underrated given how the club has almost folded after he left.
 
ant555 said:
The same Hird that would just walk past supporters at Windy Hill like they where not there and not even acknowledge them ?

Cameron is out but I agree with Roco on this .
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Not saying Hird is not a good person but everyone can have periods where they are not at their best under trying circumstances .
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Hird was known as shy prior to him playing AFL and has always said he’s never felt fully comfortable with people idolising him.

He recently was not even 100% sure the crowd were cheering him prior to the Carlton match this year, which goes to show his state of mind because it was clear it was a rousing show of applause and cheering for him.

I have known a few people who were famous in their industry that were shy and simply avoided fans because they had no idea what to say to them and didn’t feel worthy of that idolisation.

Now, it would still be better of James not to ignore fans, plenty of other shy players have learnt to deal with it, but pointing out there are a number of reasons he might do so that aren’t so bad.
 
MarkJohnson#1 said:
What would Buckley know about winning premierships..?
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One bad umpire decision in the last two minutes is all it took for him not to win one.. Was also there under Malthouse when they did win. At the end of the day if you make a Grand Final and lose by under a goal in the last 5 minutes then you have pretty much done all you can do. At that stage there is zero difference between you and the bloke in the other box as far as how well you prepared the team.
 
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